Natalee Case Discussion #763 7/6 - 7/11

[LilPuma]

From the Kalpoe vs. McGraw case, 3 documents re: blood search in Deepak's car. Why were these sent to Holland when other DNA samples went to the FBI?


Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba


Name/Title: DNA comparison
File No: 2005.06.10.113
Date: 11 July 2005
Pages:12
Writer/Initiator: M. van der Scheer/Dr. RJ Bink/
Description: DNA comparison (between blood samples and Deepak Kalpoe's car seat samples)
Source: NFI
Lab nr: none
Location: Den Haag, Holland


Name/Title: Car seat investigation
File No: 2005.06.10.113/a
Date: 30 August 2005
Pages: 5 (1 attachment)
Writer/lnitiator. Dr.J Bink
Description: forensic analysis on car seat of Deepak Kalpoe's car
Source: NFI
Lab nr:
Location: `s Gravenhage Netherlands



Also from the same documents, could this automotive employee have anything to do with the professional cleaning of Deepak's car?

Name: OSMAN FAROUK OSMAN
Date: 20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: DENNIS JACOBS/ ERIC SOEMBRS
Description: witness statement by an Automotive Center employee

Mrskub, IIRC, a sample (supposedly) of Deepak's car was sent to the Netherlands and another sample given to the FBI. 

[Kimmy53]

To be completely cleaned of her blood, from her major right side head wound.

of course, but did they do that? That's kinda what I wanna know. We all know they're crooked as all heck down there, and they use their "sovereignly nation status" as their excuse.

how could anyone confiscate the wrong car? that's deliberate, no other reason.

Deepak takes his car to AE, is given another similar car, tags are switched, registration papers for vehicles switched.  Police impound the second car; Natalee was never in that car.  Somewhere there should be a record of the vehicle serial number of the car Deepak bought.  Possibly doesn't match the car he's been driving for the last 3 years.  Don't know how else it could be proven. 

And remember we were told not even a hair from Natalee was found in that car!  No hair, No fibers from clothing?  Impossible, unless the car searched was not the car she was in.

[carpe noctem]

Yupppp... EVERYTHING about this case has been shady, underhanded, sneaky

and very DELIBERATE. That is why it is still going and growing up until this very

day... and it does not look like the Genie will be put back into the bottle anytime

soon.

I'm thrilled that it has burned that shitball of an island into the ground...

it means that there are still some people who actually care in this world.

Aruba is God awful, and what they have done so far about the Sloots and Poes

has been INEXCUSABLE.

I hope we continue to burn them out of existence. We actually hunt down and

kill people in Iraq in Afghanistan for precisely what they did to Natalee.

Target, rape, and murder. That is exactly what it was.

[Rob]

Tags can be switched in minutes.  I'm talking about the VIN. 

look at the 2007 image again, you can clearly see the correct rims are on that car. That is Deepak's Honda.

[Kiwi]

Dirt-pock Honda Montage

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/F5wwwwe.jpg

Hi Bro - one more - lookee, they don't even have the same front end after-market grill. One has an extension and the other is hollow.

This is just wicked ridiculous, Rob.

Rob someone noted in the past the 5 vs 6 spoke rims. Yah and how many dead ants did they find?

[LilPuma]

Natalee's Freebirds have pointed out the # of spokes in the wheel covers, just like discussed here, long ago.  Details that a good detective would be expected to find in an investigation....

if it was anywhere but aruba, i would assume that vin numbers would be checked and recorded as part of the search and inspection.  history does not allow us to make that assumption though.
dennisintn

Absolutely, Dennis....

GMTA.  Here, you can check on the vehicle ID.  Don't know if you can do it there, but has DeVries checked this out?  Maybe Destiny can find out if you can track a car's ownership, involvement in accidents, etc., in Aruba through the car's VIN. 

[Rob]

This is just wicked ridiculous, Rob.

Rob someone noted in the past the 5 vs 6 spoke rims. Yah and how many dead ants did they find?
[/quote]

Hi Kiwi, yes you are correct, that is just old hat - so I didn't mention it again. That's all.

Also, if you look at the image that I posted in the last page, of the car with the red license plate - that is the doppleganger car. I did a photo comparison on that a long time ago too.

[LilPuma]

Tags can be switched in minutes.  I'm talking about the VIN. 

look at the 2007 image again, you can clearly see the correct rims are on that car. That is Deepak's Honda.

So it's possible that Deepak's car was held by AE while another car was impounded.  Then he got his original car back.    We've always known there was something hinky about the blood/chocolate story.  Just like the confession/no confession story.   Another oddity is that in all the statements by Deepak, who is known to be very persnickety about his car, there's no mention of how the chocolate got on his seats, even though ALE went to the trouble of send samples to Netherlands and the FBI for testing.  Yet Deepak is never asked about it?  It's never mentioned in questioning?  That seems odd to me. 

[Rob]

Tags can be switched in minutes.  I'm talking about the VIN. 

look at the 2007 image again, you can clearly see the correct rims are on that car. That is Deepak's Honda.

So it's possible that Deepak's car was held by AE while another car was impounded.  Then he got his original car back.    We've always known there was something hinky about the blood/chocolate story.  Just like the confession/no confession story.   Another oddity is that in all the statements by Deepak, who is known to be very persnickety about his car, there's no mention of how the chocolate got on his seats, even though ALE went to the trouble of send samples to Netherlands and the FBI for testing.  Yet Deepak is never asked about it?  It's never mentioned in questioning?  That seems odd to me. 

There ya go.... chocolate in doppleganger car . . . . Blood in Deepak's car.

[LilPuma]

This is just wicked ridiculous, Rob.

Rob someone noted in the past the 5 vs 6 spoke rims. Yah and how many dead ants did they find?

Hi Kiwi, yes you are correct, that is just old hat - so I didn't mention it again. That's all.

Also, if you look at the image that I posted in the last page, of the car with the red license plate - that is the doppleganger car. I did a photo comparison on that a long time ago too.
[/quote]

so we have to find the doppleganger.  where is it now?   

[Rob]

so we have to find the doppleganger.  where is it now?   

First place I would look is the ALE garage. Second place I would look would be Automotive Enterprises. Third place I would look would be the bottom of the ocean.

[LilPuma]

Have to go offline for awhile, but one more question.  Which car did he have when Beth arrived at the Sloots?  Which car was confiscated and used for the reenactment?  (yea, I know, that's two questions) 

If there was blood in Deepak's car, his backseat's been switched out.  He put it up for sale a while back and wouldn't risk selling it if he wasn't sure there was no trace of a crime in the car. 

[SunnyinTX]

I went to lunch today with my friend I work with and we went shopping.  On our way back my friend goes I have to go in the this store.  I said well I'm waiting out here and you can go in.  I'm standing there and I see this guy walking toward my way and for a second I said I know this guy.  I quickly realized who it was.  Joe Tacopina.....LOLOL.  He had his hair slick back, blue jeans, sneakers and he had a tan (looked red).  But his skin looked greasy and he looks bigger on TV than he really is.  His lower waist is skinny.

Hi Monks...my internet has been down nearly all morning and part of last evening...grrrrrr  I saw Tyler was here....WOOHOO.....I WUB YOU TYLER!!  and I had to respond to this, San. You have more restraint that I do for sure...I would have probably wound up in jail!! I'd love to run into that scumbag, sleasy, money grubbing, low life slimebucket!!! Him or renwhore...I'd gladly spend some time in jail just to slap the crap outta either of them....both are insults to what America stands for...... TRUTH and JUSTICE....both were partiallty responible for Natalee not getting either of these rights...scum of the earth...both of them

[LilPuma]

so we have to find the doppleganger.  where is it now?   

First place I would look is the ALE garage. Second place I would look would be Automotive Enterprises. Third place I would look would be the bottom of the ocean.

And this is why we know there are people in Aruba who have evidence of a coverup.  A cop who knows Joran's statement was alterred or torn up.  Someone at AE that knows musical cars/seats were played with Deepak's car.  Little bits and pieces that could be pulled together to prove a coverup and crime.  But they won't talk. 

So I'm back to follow the money.  Who's paying Tacopina?  Who's been financing Joran since high school?  We've speculated, but we don't have anything. 

[LilPuma]

To be completely cleaned of her blood, from her major right side head wound.

of course, but did they do that? That's kinda what I wanna know. We all know they're crooked as all heck down there, and they use their "sovereignly nation status" as their excuse.

how could anyone confiscate the wrong car? that's deliberate, no other reason.

Deepak takes his car to AE, is given another similar car, tags are switched, registration papers for vehicles switched.  Police impound the second car; Natalee was never in that car.  Somewhere there should be a record of the vehicle serial number of the car Deepak bought.  Possibly doesn't match the car he's been driving for the last 3 years.  Don't know how else it could be proven. 

And remember we were told not even a hair from Natalee was found in that car!  No hair, No fibers from clothing?  Impossible, unless the car searched was not the car she was in.

Exactly.  Before I came to SM, I was posting on the AOL boards and used to say the lack of evidence is the evidence.  No trace of Natalee at the Sloots.  No trace of Natalee in the Kalpoemobile.  No trace of Natalee on the beach.  No witnesses who saw Natalee or Joran or both on the beach.  Nothing Nada   Natalee wasn't abducted by aliens.  There was hair, saliva, an earring, a sandal, fibers from her clothing.  Something.  Yet they found nothing.  No witnesses, except the gardener and Deepak's panicked call to a friend. 

[Lala'sMom]

Where did that photo of Deepak's car in the impound lot come from?  Who took it? Anyone?

[SunnyinTX]

Dirt-pock Honda Montage

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/F5wwwwe.jpg

Hi Bro - one more - lookee, they don't even have the same front end after-market grill. One has an extension and the other is hollow.

Rob thanks for posting these pictures...I never saw them before...remember you talking about the different number of spokes...but this is so clear...and confirms my belief that the impounded car was not deepak's and that is why the 'blood' samples...turned into chocolate and cleaning fluid....

[klaasend]

Where did that photo of Deepak's car in the impound lot come from?  Who took it? Anyone?

Good question Lala's

[Lala'sMom]

Where did that photo of Deepak's car in the impound lot come from?  Who took it? Anyone?

Good question Lala's

And people think I ask too many questions.   

[carpe noctem]

AMIGOE NEWS


   
Aruba
Bakers like 60 per cent more white
July 8, 2008, 17:13 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD - The association of bakers that the government wants the price for a kipashi (casinobrood projects) to 3.50 florin. At this time it cost 2.90 florin white, but the bakers are no longer out of their costs, says the association.

The bakkerorganisatie to a June 5 letter to Department of Economic Affairs, Trade and Industry asking for the bread to increase by 60 cents. This is so far not responded, says Miguel Nucet of the association of bakers. "It has been over a month ago and therefore there tomorrow a new letter to the minister (Nilo Swaen of Finance and Economic Affairs, ed)."

Nucet denies media reports that beginning next week there is no longer white hot as the government lacks the bridge. "The only thing we want is to sit down and make it clear that we can not go." The problem between the government and bakers is not new. Bread is part of the package of essential goods. These are foods whose government determines the selling prices for consumers. In determining the prices, the government only takes into account changes in the cost of ingredients. Additional costs such as water, electricity, gas, petrol and personnel are not included and this has been for years a thorn in the eye of the bakkersvereniging. Nucet: "We want the government also takes these costs and finally a definitive solution." The last time according Nucet both the cost of the ingredients rose, as the additional costs including costs related to staff because of the recent increase the minimum wage.

Minister Swaen said in a response that he initially was not aware of the letter from the association of bakers. "I have obtained from the Department of Economic Affairs and the ga. If the information indicates that costs have risen, then I am not an increase. "The minister thinks that the association must submit to the annual cost to show, something that in the past was not always done. He expects it this week with the bakers to the table to sit. Nucet finally ensures that all information - including accounts-in the letter dated June 5 has.

In February of this year was a kipashi already forty percent more expensive and also the prices of other bread went up significantly.

http://tinyurl.com/6oeawc

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Amigoe English
KLM-ticket yet more expensive KLM ticket yet more expensive
WILLEMSTAD — KLM increases the fuel-surcharge again. WILLEMSTAD - KLM increases the fuel-surcharge again. Effective this Thursday, passengers on intercontinental flights that lasts more than 9 hours, will for the time being pay 147 euro (415 guilders) on top of the ticket price and other charges. Effective this Thursday, passengers on intercontinental flights that lasts more than 9 hours, for the time being will pay 147 euros (415 guilders) on top of the ticket price and other charges.
8 Jul, 2008, 17:25 (GMT -04:00) July 8, 2008, 17:25 (GMT -04:00)




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Wiels must stop with radio programme Wiels must stop with radio programme
7 Jul, 2008, 18:02 (GMT -04:00) July 7, 2008, 18:02 (GMT -04:00)


WILLEMSTAD – The daily programme Konsenshi Sivil (Civil Concious) on Radio Top FM 93.3, presented by Pueblo Soberano- eader Helmin Wiels, with friends and enemies as audience over the entire island, comes to an end.

Tomorrow's programme will be the last one after five years of transmission. Wiels had meanwhile announced that he will continue with his programme via internet.  “This measure is a sneaking form of fascism, but we have warned for this for a long time already.”

Director Kelkboom Gilmour was not available for comment this morning. Maurice Adriaens Minister of Telecommunication (FOL) says that the government has not spoken to Top FM about the contents of the transmissions at numerous occasions. As we all know, Wiels is pursuing with his party a radical course against the current developments of the political process.  The government is of the opinion that with his remarks, Wiels is offending individuals and groups by using remarks like thieves and prostitutes.  He also instigates hatred and violence.

"IN the permit or a radio station is stated that the person (s) that run the radio station is responsible for the applicable norms and values. They can not hide behind the fact that they are objective about a certain programme. If they do not comply with that, it will have consequences for the extension of the permit”, said Adriaens. Top FM’s transmission permit expires later this year.

 "There was never a reporting against our programme in all those five years of transmission.  All the programs are recorded on tape and can be listened to and there have never been official complaints submitted.Talking about prostitutas must be seen in the context of the current political developments. What we want to say is that the island is being prostituted by the current coalition. We know how far we can go without being prosecuted criminally”, said Wiels.

Adriaens acknowledges that there was never a reporting. “The Public Prosecutor has also been busy with this; already before the riots of June 26 (during which a small group of protestors attacked European Dutchmen after the Island Council meeting on the financial supervision, red.).” The minister had also hoped that it would come to a lawsuit, “despite the fact that Dutch judges here give judgment according to the culture in the Netherlands”. "The Public Prosecutor has also been busy with this; already before the riots of June 26 (during which a small group of protestors attacked European Dutchmen after the Island Council meeting on the financial supervision, eds)." The minister had also hoped that it would come to a lawsuit, "despite the fact that Dutch judges here give judgement according to the culture in Australia". In the Netherlands you are allowed to offend people and even a prophet”, said Adriaens referring to the court case in which politician Geert Wilders was put in the right with his anti-Koran film Fitma.

Apart from continuing with the transmissions via http://www.pueblosoberano.org/ , Wiels also announced that he will drive up the visits to neighbourhoods and intensify the Saturday meetings in Otrobanda.

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