Natalee Case Discussion #763 7/6 - 7/11

[johan555]

When they had plans to go to Joran's House  is this the most logical direction.

[San]

Heya BB!  yes this article even makes me think back to the summer of 05 when Beth was on the island ...the man who was following her...the phone call from Posner (I think it was him), her phones being tapped..and the reason for changing hotels. 

Also, I think if one looks at the "issues" the Bethhaters continiously to this day, make such a big deal of...it gives you a little insight into who or what is behind them....

Hey,
I too recall Beth saying she got a threatening phone call asking when was she planning on leaving Aruba. don't recall if it was from Posner, but she did seem to feel threatened by him.

I remember Rita Crosby specifically asking Beth that question and Beth really didn't want to answer.

[San]

Heya BB!  yes this article even makes me think back to the summer of 05 when Beth was on the island ...the man who was following her...the phone call from Posner (I think it was him), her phones being tapped..and the reason for changing hotels. 

Also, I think if one looks at the "issues" the Bethhaters continiously to this day, make such a big deal of...it gives you a little insight into who or what is behind them....

Hey,
I too recall Beth saying she got a threatening phone call asking when was she planning on leaving Aruba. don't recall if it was from Posner, but she did seem to feel threatened by him.

I remember Rita Crosby specifically asking Beth that question and Beth really didn't want to answer.

I found it.  There was a front page article on the discussion:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/20/rita-cosby-discusses-deepak-and-michael-posner/

COSBY: Yes. And a big, big line of credit. Beth, I know you‘ve actually been to the casino, right? And Michael Posner threatened you, is that correct?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

[johan555]

And : I have read a statement, that Natalee said near a petrol station on the boulevard  that she wants to go to the lighthouse

[johan555]

And : I have read a statement, that Natalee said near a petrol station on the boulevard  that she wants to go to the lighthouse

when this too boring stuff please send me a email 

[WhiskeyGirl]

Does anyone have biography of Deutekom?  Where he grew up, worked, went to school, who supported him along the way?

What are his investments/involvements on Aruba?  Elsewhere?

Family ties?

Related to the Queen?

Who are his business and personal associates? 

Is he the keeper of secrets and photos?

jmho and questions

[caesu]

i am also very eager to know more about Van Deutekom.
i keep going through newspaper archives and try different searches.

i don't know to what extent he is a 'dirtyhand'. don't know enough about him.
and i don't know enough about the shango-threads.
but for me, everyone with top-position working at the OM or justice department on Aruba is more than dirty.

[klaasend]

When they had plans to go to Joran's House  is this the most logical direction.

Johan - yes, IMO that would be the most logical route to the VDS home from the CnC area.

[johan555]

and do you know this statement klaas ?

 a statement, that Natalee said near a petrol station on the boulevard  that she wants to go to the lighthouse

[Dayhiker]

Heya BB!  yes this article even makes me think back to the summer of 05 when Beth was on the island ...the man who was following her...the phone call from Posner (I think it was him), her phones being tapped..and the reason for changing hotels. 

Also, I think if one looks at the "issues" the Bethhaters continiously to this day, make such a big deal of...it gives you a little insight into who or what is behind them....

Hey,
I too recall Beth saying she got a threatening phone call asking when was she planning on leaving Aruba. don't recall if it was from Posner, but she did seem to feel threatened by him.

I remember Rita Crosby specifically asking Beth that question and Beth really didn't want to answer.

I found it.  There was a front page article on the discussion:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/20/rita-cosby-discusses-deepak-and-michael-posner/

COSBY: Yes. And a big, big line of credit. Beth, I know you‘ve actually been to the casino, right? And Michael Posner threatened you, is that correct?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

Classic Mafia. That is the kind of tactics they use. If Beth had not been so high profile in the media and there were US Government connections they would have probably put out a hit on her.

[Dayhiker]

I've been thinking about Deutekom, and to me this guy DOES fit the profile of Dirty Hand by Shango. Several have pointed out that we have not been able to identify him for three years even though there are an army of finger police looking. When he was first ID'd by Caps several months ago that was my exact thought. HE IS / WAS UNIDENTIFIABLE. That is part of the key to identifying him.

I'll tell you what else fits. That we never heard of him. Just like we never heard of Dolph Richardson until Dompig was given the boot. What they do is put the dirty cover-up work on somebody behind the scenes and put a straw man out front to disinform and keep the heat off that person. This guy must have been doing Jannsen's dirty work while she held everyone at bay.

Dayhiker, I agree.  So much of what they did was slight-of-hand.  Get everyone to look at something besides what they're doing.  But the Monkeys knew they were being fooled; they didn't count on smart monkeys.  We just can't prove it to The Hague. 

When did Dennis Jacobs tell Joran he was the Devil?  After Beth and Dave said she had no history of seizures?  If so, that's when they knew that it was drugs, given by Joran or on his instruction.  That's when they knew her injuries were due to Joran's hands, not falling.  Did they see the body or was it gone by then.  No body.  No case. 

And let's not forget that Joran's lawyer Antonio Carlo was firmly implanted in the board of AHATA. Not hard to figure out he was running the AHATA show behind the scenes given that all they did was trash Natalee and Beth, run disinformation on insurance policies, plant internet mercenaries out to bash them, etc.

[WhiskeyGirl]

i am also very eager to know more about Van Deutekom.
i keep going through newspaper archives and try different searches.

i don't know to what extent he is a 'dirtyhand'. don't know enough about him.
and i don't know enough about the shango-threads.
but for me, everyone with top-position working at the OM or justice department on Aruba is more than dirty.

There was a poster with a web site, hasn't posted for some time, that ran a web site.  http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

He made a comment once that whenever he posted a new editorial, there always seemed to be a large number of hits (on the sitemeter) from the Hague.  I've always thought Anita resembles the Queen.  jmho

Would van Deutekom be located in the Hague?

[Rob]

here are the images forwarded from Quisp. I changed the image ID to reflect they are from Quisp.

These photos are from a friend of Quisp's that was on Aruba right after Natalee disappeared and saw this stuff on the beach.







These images were taken on a secluded area of the beach near the lighthouse.

[caesu]

i am also very eager to know more about Van Deutekom.
i keep going through newspaper archives and try different searches.

i don't know to what extent he is a 'dirtyhand'. don't know enough about him.
and i don't know enough about the shango-threads.
but for me, everyone with top-position working at the OM or justice department on Aruba is more than dirty.

There was a poster with a web site, hasn't posted for some time, that ran a web site.  http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

He made a comment once that whenever he posted a new editorial, there always seemed to be a large number of hits (on the sitemeter) from the Hague.  I've always thought Anita resembles the Queen.  jmho

Would van Deutekom be located in the Hague?

i think van Deutekom is for most of the year on Aruba. as he works there at the OM.

when i e-mail to Aruba (justice department / government / governor) i always see that my e-mail is read (likely forwarded) in The Hague as well (my e-mail signature has a little icon on my own webserver - so i can see when that's downloaded, which IP-address).
so i am sure there is enought co-ordination between Aruba and The Hague.
The Hague will say: "it is an issue about Aruba, we can't comment on it".
but most top-jobs at the justice department, police department, OM, judges on the Aruban Court and Higher Court are filled by Dutchies.
so for sure The Hague knows exactly what's going on there.
if something goes wrong on Aruba they pretend they didn't know, if something goes right they say they did know.

[johan555]

i am also very eager to know more about Van Deutekom.
i keep going through newspaper archives and try different searches.

i don't know to what extent he is a 'dirtyhand'. don't know enough about him.
and i don't know enough about the shango-threads.
but for me, everyone with top-position working at the OM or justice department on Aruba is more than dirty.

There was a poster with a web site, hasn't posted for some time, that ran a web site.  http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

He made a comment once that whenever he posted a new editorial, there always seemed to be a large number of hits (on the sitemeter) from the Hague.  I've always thought Anita resembles the Queen.  jmho

Would van Deutekom be located in the Hague?

i think van Deutekom is for most of the year on Aruba. as he works there at the OM.

when i e-mail to Aruba (justice department / government / governor) i always see that my e-mail is read (likely forwarded) in The Hague as well (my e-mail signature has a little icon on my own webserver - so i can see when that's downloaded, which IP-address).
so i am sure there is enought co-ordination between Aruba and The Hague.
The Hague will say: "it is an issue about Aruba, we can't comment on it".
but most top-jobs at the justice department, police department, OM, judges on the Aruban Court and Higher Court are filled by Dutchies.
so for sure The Hague knows exactly what's going on there.
if something goes wrong on Aruba they pretend they didn't know, if something goes right they say they did know.

What is his full name caesu?
where did he live in the Netherlands ?

[caesu]

i am also very eager to know more about Van Deutekom.
i keep going through newspaper archives and try different searches.

i don't know to what extent he is a 'dirtyhand'. don't know enough about him.
and i don't know enough about the shango-threads.
but for me, everyone with top-position working at the OM or justice department on Aruba is more than dirty.

There was a poster with a web site, hasn't posted for some time, that ran a web site.  http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

He made a comment once that whenever he posted a new editorial, there always seemed to be a large number of hits (on the sitemeter) from the Hague.  I've always thought Anita resembles the Queen.  jmho

Would van Deutekom be located in the Hague?

i think van Deutekom is for most of the year on Aruba. as he works there at the OM.

when i e-mail to Aruba (justice department / government / governor) i always see that my e-mail is read (likely forwarded) in The Hague as well (my e-mail signature has a little icon on my own webserver - so i can see when that's downloaded, which IP-address).
so i am sure there is enought co-ordination between Aruba and The Hague.
The Hague will say: "it is an issue about Aruba, we can't comment on it".
but most top-jobs at the justice department, police department, OM, judges on the Aruban Court and Higher Court are filled by Dutchies.
so for sure The Hague knows exactly what's going on there.
if something goes wrong on Aruba they pretend they didn't know, if something goes right they say they did know.

What is his full name caesu?
where did he live in the Netherlands ?

F. A. P. M. van Deutekom (Frans)

don't know where he lived.
but he is involved with Aruba at least since 1997.
as he helped writing the new lawbook for the Antilles/Aruba.
then he worked at the justice department on Aruba, the legislation directorate.

[Rob]

for me it's beyond obvious what's going on here. The Dutch (take no offense caesu and Johan) do not care about Aruba. It's only the Judiciary they really care about. It's the ability to launch get outta jail free cards in the direction of their buddies. It is a land where crimes can be committed by the Dutch but no serious jail time enters the picture. The secret is out now.

If they truly cared, they would clean that entire island up before more tourists are disappeared. Few tourists mean fewer targets, but those still going increase their chances of being assaulted due to the mathematics of it all.

[always 1]

He is listed in the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Delegation Members of the European part  of the Kingdom - Frans Van Deutekom, Public Prosecutor in Aruba

[johan555]

I think regio Nijmegen caesu

Van Deutekom 1995
Van Deutekom, F. A. P. M., 'Heenzenden', in: Balkema, J.P. (red.), Dynamisch strafrecht.
Opstellen ter gelegenheid van het afscheid van Prof. mr. G.J.M. Corstens van de Katholieke
Universiteit Nijmegen.

[MumInOhio]

I think regio Nijmegen caesu

Van Deutekom 1995
Van Deutekom, F. A. P. M., 'Heenzenden', in: Balkema, J.P. (red.), Dynamisch strafrecht.
Opstellen ter gelegenheid van het afscheid van Prof. mr. G.J.M. Corstens van de Katholieke
Universiteit Nijmegen.

Caesu and Johan…Caps posted  once that he was from Germany…I am looking for that post…Trying to put  all the posts together and will post them in a thread and see what we have. It was discussed in the Shango thread and IIRC also on the Natalee Discussion thread a little while back. Hopefully will be done in the morning!