Right to Life

[mrs. red]

WOW Anna, that was interesting and alarming.  

I am starting to see the whole get rid of religion in the political/news/media arena as a huge down fall for us as a society.  Sounds to me like to this guy, if it's inconvient for the other people involved... I saw a fairly obscure movie called "THE BEACH" that talked about this value on human life - it's worth watching for that piece of the movie alone.  It made a strong statement on where our society is headed if we continue down the slippery slope.

[Carnut]

WOW Anna, that was interesting and alarming.  

I am starting to see the whole get rid of religion in the political/news/media arena as a huge down fall for us as a society.  Sounds to me like to this guy, if it's inconvient for the other people involved... I saw a fairly obscure movie called "THE BEACH" that talked about this value on human life - it's worth watching for that piece of the movie alone.  It made a strong statement on where our society is headed if we continue down the slippery slope.

Shades of 'Soylent Green'.

[mrs. red]

Carnut, I don't know that one... but who is to say what the value of another's life is?

I mean most children agonize over their parent's Alzhiemer's Disease, and I know first hand that it isn't a pleasant disease to deal with...

[Carnut]

Carnut, I don't know that one... but who is to say what the value of another's life is?

I mean most children agonize over their parent's Alzhiemer's Disease, and I know first hand that it isn't a pleasant disease to deal with...

You don't know 'Soylent Green'?

Oh geese, what is the world coming to?

And to think you started the Movie Trivia thread.

[mrs. red]

Carnut, I don't know that one... but who is to say what the value of another's life is?

I mean most children agonize over their parent's Alzhiemer's Disease, and I know first hand that it isn't a pleasant disease to deal with...

You don't know 'Soylent Green'?

Oh geese, what is the world coming to?

And to think you started the Movie Trivia thread.

       now you know why I do mostly reading in there...

[Anna]

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Shades of 'Soylent Green'.

Exactly, Carnut--good old Chuck Heston and Mrs Red has never seen it???  

I notice both of you tend toward "movie philosophy" but these days Hollywood is far too liberal for my taste and each movie seems to have some socialist theme running through it.  

But get the foot in the door with abortion and then we have enthanasia by withholding food and even WATER now legally.  I used to want a living will until I saw what can be done with one.  No way now!  

But this guy is right about one thing.  There is very little difference in a baby after ten weeks gestation and at delivery excvept size and durability, everything is there by the tenth week of pregnancy. Baby just not strong enough to survive but can feel, pain for example as well as heat and cold and detect light and sound a bit later.

Just because you can't see the baby during pregnancy does not mean it does not exist.  The 8-24 hours of labor and delivery do not change the development of the baby much at all.  It is not a mushroom that just suddenly appears one day at delivery but there in its entirety after about ten weeks and much more developed before that than we were previously led to believe.

.With me, it is partly religious but not all.  Some of it is just the horror of doing that to another human being, an innocent baby is just too awful.  Barbaric and almost like eating our young or something of that stripe.

Carnut, Soylent gave me nightmares when I first saw it.  And it is not ranked as a very good flick, is it?  Science fiction, sorta cheesy.  Got to me, though.  And most of them don't.

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[LouiseVargas]

Carnut,

Soylent Green is a nightmare of mine - second only to Blade Runner. When I saw the latter, I knew we were doomed. I don't want to dress like a Dominatrix when it's cold in the winter. I don't want want to eat compacted meals to survive.

Charleton Heston had a great career - Ben Hur, Elmer Gantry, Soylent Green.

He surprised the hell out of me in "Fahrenheit 911." He was such a movie star in so many movies! But, in this movie, his handsome visage and body language morphed into evil while the Michael Moore cameras rolled.

[Carnut]

Haven't and don't intend to see 'Fahrenheit 911'. Guess I'm a bit closed minded on that one.

So, don't know what Charleton Heston was being portrayed as, but if it was from something in real life at the time, I think it was after he had announced he was suffering from alzheimers and might not of been in a position to look very good when filmed.

[Carnut]

On 'Soylent Green' and 'Blade Runner' both being sci fi, I do think they are possibly more realistic of what may be coming in the future than most folks realize.

I do think such conditions are still way off into the future and we won't have to worry about them. And in my case not having any offspring I don't have to worry about any of them having to endure such conditions.

But continuing uncontrolled procreation I would think the inevitable extrapolation is going to have to be something similar to the 'Soylent Green' solution.

[Carnut]

Heh, heh, you guys are getting real close to having me spill my procreation, war and global warming theory.

[Carnut]

Carnut,

Soylent Green is a nightmare of mine - second only to Blade Runner. When I saw the latter, I knew we were doomed. I don't want to dress like a Dominatrix when it's cold in the winter. I don't want want to eat compacted meals to survive.

Do you like dressing like a Dominatrix when it's warm in the summer?

[LouiseVargas]

Car,

Up above when I wrote I saw Charleton in Fahrenheit 911 .... I made a mistake. Michael Moore pinned him to the wall regarding gun control in the movie Bowling for Columbine. That was an excellent movie. And I think the next week, Charleton showed up in Columbine for a NRA event, so unbelievably insensitive and Michael Moore could not get an answer from him.  

Yes, hon, I do dress like a Dominatrix when it's warm in the summer.  

[Carnut]

Ah gee, almost wish I was into that M&M type stuff.

[LouiseVargas]

Car, M&M's are delicious.

[mrs. red]

Car,

Up above when I wrote I saw Charleton in Fahrenheit 911 .... I made a mistake. Michael Moore pinned him to the wall regarding gun control in the movie Bowling for Columbine. That was an excellent movie. And I think the next week, Charleton showed up in Columbine for a NRA event, so unbelievably insensitive and Michael Moore could not get an answer from him.  

Yes, hon, I do dress like a Dominatrix when it's warm in the summer.  

LV,
Actually, Charleton Heston had been in Columbine before the tragedy.  Micheal Moore is known for skewing the potrayals of what happened... and I think the fact that he blathers on and on about people making money is shameless in light of this fact... MM did not do this movie to draw attention to a tragedy, he did it to make money.  

Anna as for movies, sometimes they just illustrate art imitating life... but you are right about one thing... they do have a liberal theme in every single movie...

Million Dollar Baby - pro euthansia (sp) etc... and also, they always show the entire world working together in every disaster movie... when we all know that it isn't the case...


Louise - your post regarding Columbine did make me wonder something...

We are seeing more and more kids go into schools and shoot each other, and this weekend I saw a news story regarding kids plotting another Columbine that was (thank God) foiled... so have we actually taught our children that life isn't precious by saying abortion and euthensia (sp) are all ok?  

Is it more than their endless exposure to violence?

[mrs. red]

Heh, heh, you guys are getting real close to having me spill my procreation, war and global warming theory.

Well Carnut, you certainly have spilled some interesting theories... go ahead and try us out.... I am curious!!

[LouiseVargas]

Dear Mrs. Red,

Regarding school shootings, especially Columbine, these kids are not shooting the schools up because we have taught them life isn't important via abortion and euthanasia. These are young kids who don't have philosophic thoughts (or any thoughts) about abortion and euthanasia. There're not there yet. They are seeing violence on TV and in the movies. I'll always admire Madonna for saying that the US considers it ok to show movies with war, blood and guts and brains splattered on the wall, but it's not ok to show movies about sex. The parents of these kids did not pay appropriate attention to them and it's prolly been going on most of their lives. The parents were all shocked. The kids are shooting up the schools because their parents have showed them they are not important. I still believe in parental responsibility and guidance all through the child's life, as well as talking to your children daily. Especially watching movies and TV with them and explaining this is not real life, it's just a movie. Also discussing why people make such movies ... i.e., to make money.

Regarding Michael Moore making movies for money, every person who makes a movie hopes to make money. Mel Gibson, Clint Eastwood, Ron Howard, Kevin Costner, Stanley Kubrick, Oliver Stone, etc. Michael Moore makes movies about controversial and current political topics. His movies win Oscars. I like his topics much better than Mel Gibson's. The Passion was called anti-Semitic and everyone denied it but later Mel Gibson proved it when he was drunk. And I have a question. Is he a good Christian or a rotten one?

I know you'll hate me for this comment - Million Dollar Baby is my all time favorite movie. Would you have liked to have been a quadriplegic Maggie stuck in a bed at a young age after she had become world champion? To live in that bed for the rest of your life? Not me.

I'm glad to be in America where I can express my opinions about movies.

[mrs. red]

Dear LV  - I would never hate anyone for not agreeing with me... don't be silly!

I agree with you on the points of parents and children, at times I feel it has become too much about keeping up with the Joneses at the cost of our kids...

as for her being a quadrapaligic... there are people that are quadrapapalegic that have contributions... not only that but have you seen the articles about the man in TN that has bionic arms installed now?  SO much changes so fast these days...

[LouiseVargas]

Mrs. Red, You are a most gracious woman.

Million Dollar Baby was a short story from a book called "Stories From The Corner" (the corner in the boxing ring) by Jerry Boyd, who wrote under the pen name of F.X. Toole. He was a great fight manager and "cut man," the one in the corner who puts stuff on the cuts so the boxer can go back into the next round. It was one of six stories and Clint Eastwood bought the rights to it years ago and had a hard time finding financing for it, so he produced and directed it himself. I agree with you that there are many quadriplegics who can make many contributions and live a fulfilled life (Christopher Reeve, for example). And I have heard about the bionic arms. But in the case of this special short story / movie, there was no other way out for Maggie Fitzgerald. I don't think Eastwood was on a euthanasia crusade. It was simply the only conclusion to that particular story. I didn't know the ending ahead of time, so it was a quite a shock.

[mrs. red]

Dear Louise Vargas,
I wish I were more gracious, but thank you so much for saying that!

I kept hearing the movie pushed in a way that made it sound like it was expressly for the purpose of getting people "used to the idea" of euthanisia (sp).  I couldn't watch it for that reason, but I will next time I see it on HBO... and we will talk more about it.