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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2008, 06:45:16 AM »

Well, Im going to turn the air conditioning down to 70 ( I like my room cold enough to hang meat in it) and go back to sleep til the paper gets here.  Nite!
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2008, 07:03:30 AM »

Always 1 and one guest are viewing.  So, I wonder who you are, Guest.  Why are you awake at 5:25 in the a.m. and what is your attachment to Natalee??  I will look in the Site thingee and see if I can tell where youre from. 

LOL...caught me, but I was doing laundry....need to be up before the birds to catch me always...

Talking about the sitemeter...clicked on Aruba...and look what I found!!!

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2008, 07:15:24 AM »

Any idea how a Thailand internet addy would show up from Aruba?  Only have South America on, so it is not an error.

I wonder who it might be?

It's fun watching them watching us....
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2008, 07:21:57 AM »

I am not an "Empath" like Destiny. I really don't know what has gripped me for 3+ years. I have STRONG feelings about this case that I can't explain in "Earthly" terms. I just feel that the family of Natalee is at more peace than we are now. 

I think you can include Natalee in those peaceful sentiments, Wreck. It's my own personal faith and I don't wish to impose it on anyone else, but Christian scripture teaches that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Natalee is home. We are the ones who are away from home for a time.

The compelling thing about this case, for me, is the injustice that surrounds those who have committed this crime and the pain that it has brought to those who Natalee left behind. Beth's courage, strength, and determination has been gut wrenching and inspirational. Dave's disappointments, patience, and valiant efforts tug at my heart. The venom of the attack on Natalee's character continues to make me rage and the contrast between who Natalee was and who those bastards are that killed her, is so stark it's blinding. The madness of knowing enough sure evidence, as all of us who have been here and followed the case do, while no one is held accountable, makes it so hard to let it go. The whole thing screams at our sense of right and wrong, beautiful and ugly, tragedy and mockery.

So we stay and we stand. We stand with the girl, because as long as we are here, the final chapter isn't written. We refuse to let it end like this and as long as we are here we collectively hold back the current circumstances as an epitaph. This forum is made up of good hearted, caring people. It's right that we are keepers of this noble and right cause. I think we feel the sense of responsibility. We can hold on without being destroyed by it. I'm not sure it was meant for the family to never emotionally seek closure. Maybe in order to live with and honor Natalee's memory, they have had to find some place within themselves to not be eaten away by it.

I will never, ever, forget the night that Joran's "confession" was being heard, transcribed and posted on this forum. It came in pieces and it was in the light of Beth's video reacting to what was being unveiled to us in pieces. I was posting the translations, as were others, through tears. It was a corner, I believe, for the family. It was a corner even for a faithful monkey named Robots! I felt a sense of validation, and incredible sadness. Even though we all knew we weren't hearing the whole truth, we were witnessing Joran's acknowledgement of Natalee and her death. We saw Joran expose a glimpse of his true nature and we knew the world was watching it as well. The family so desperately needed exactly what Joran was handing them. The family will never give up on Justice and will always pursue it passionately, but we were watching the seed of healing being planted by the only one who possessed it.

Most of us need a different seed for closure. I believe we will witness it one day, and we and the family will end up at the same place when it's harvest time.

Thanks for that, CBB.

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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2008, 07:32:05 AM »

Always 1 and one guest are viewing.  So, I wonder who you are, Guest.  Why are you awake at 5:25 in the a.m. and what is your attachment to Natalee??  I will look in the Site thingee and see if I can tell where youre from. 

LOL...caught me, but I was doing laundry....need to be up before the birds to catch me always...

Talking about the sitemeter...clicked on Aruba...and look what I found!!!

Domain Name       asianet.co.th ? (Thailand)
IP Address       203.144.142.# (True Internet Co.)
ISP       True Internet Co.
Location       Continent    :    Asia
Country    :    Thailand   (Facts)
State/Region    :    Krung Thep
City    :    Bangkok
Lat/Long    :    13.75, 100.5167 (Map)

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If you click on location, that shows up under detail 84 from Bangkok Thailand. Maybe a momentary glitch?
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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2008, 08:18:02 AM »

New Diario cartoon editorial -



Not sure what this means.
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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2008, 08:37:25 AM »

Good morning Monkeys
I stole this from the last thread(is there a easier way to bring a post over from the last thread?)


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Quote from: San on July 15, 2008, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: LilPuma on July 15, 2008, 10:52:07 PM
Quote from: San on July 15, 2008, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on July 15, 2008, 09:51:19 PM
Quote from: Blonde on July 15, 2008, 09:45:32 PM
I don't know where she is but JMO she's in that bag. I just know it. 


I've always felt that Natalee could have been put in crypt, either someone that had already died or someone that died in the first week of June 2005.  It would require alot of approvals to even search a crypt let alone guessing which one to search.  Would be the perfect place to hide a body.


I agree.


It occurred to me more than once that maybe even Joran doesn't know where Natalee's remains are.  Could be someone told him they'd take care of it so there'd be no body and no case.  Go home, go to school.  Don't worry about this. 


I think they have her body and this is part of the reason that Paulus hasn't moved from that island.  He may think he has Aruba by the you know what but it is Aruba that has Paulus by the you know what.

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Can't move.  VDS compound needs to be taken apart.  Evidence is still there. IMO


I think they are not quite stupid enough to keep her body right there on the van der sloot compound.I think the cemetary would be a perfect place to hide a body,IF her body is found in the cemetary,the van der sloots can STILL claim innocence.....something they wouldn't be able to do if she is found in thier garden IMO.
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2008, 09:35:26 AM »

New Diario cartoon editorial -



Not sure what this means.

Hiya Monkeys. Seems the pic is saying the sword of the law(ALE, judges etc) is crooked/broken/bent/twisted & the scales of justice are very uneven/unfair.
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2008, 09:46:53 AM »

Monkeys - Does this look like the same person?

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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2008, 09:52:42 AM »

Monkeys - Does this look like the same person?



Not to me SS
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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2008, 09:53:58 AM »

Doesn't look like the same person to me SS
As far as Natalee being put in a crypt. Very possible on that crooked rock.
I think the VDS family would be outcasts wherever they would go. Why not stay in Aruba where Paulypuss at least has "things" on people?
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« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2008, 09:54:11 AM »

Not to me either, SS
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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2008, 10:01:35 AM »

Doesn't look like the same person to me SS
As far as Natalee being put in a crypt. Very possible on that crooked rock.
I think the VDS family would be outcasts wherever they would go. Why not stay in Aruba where Paulypuss at least has "things" on people?

Yapperz, I agree with the entombing. Even a cadaver dog wouldn't work in that situation to locate her. If she was placed in a casket, we know there is a funeral director involved. As I mentioned before, you could even put 2 remains in a casket. If no casket were used and she was just placed there by someone, her remains would be readily visible.  Anyone know what the laws are in Aruba about opening crypts for searches?
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« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2008, 10:26:40 AM »

I am not an "Empath" like Destiny. I really don't know what has gripped me for 3+ years. I have STRONG feelings about this case that I can't explain in "Earthly" terms. I just feel that the family of Natalee is at more peace than we are now. 

I think you can include Natalee in those peaceful sentiments, Wreck. It's my own personal faith and I don't wish to impose it on anyone else, but Christian scripture teaches that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Natalee is home. We are the ones who are away from home for a time.

The compelling thing about this case, for me, is the injustice that surrounds those who have committed this crime and the pain that it has brought to those who Natalee left behind. Beth's courage, strength, and determination has been gut wrenching and inspirational. Dave's disappointments, patience, and valiant efforts tug at my heart. The venom of the attack on Natalee's character continues to make me rage and the contrast between who Natalee was and who those bastards are that killed her, is so stark it's blinding. The madness of knowing enough sure evidence, as all of us who have been here and followed the case do, while no one is held accountable, makes it so hard to let it go. The whole thing screams at our sense of right and wrong, beautiful and ugly, tragedy and mockery.

So we stay and we stand. We stand with the girl, because as long as we are here, the final chapter isn't written. We refuse to let it end like this and as long as we are here we collectively hold back the current circumstances as an epitaph. This forum is made up of good hearted, caring people. It's right that we are keepers of this noble and right cause. I think we feel the sense of responsibility. We can hold on without being destroyed by it. I'm not sure it was meant for the family to never emotionally seek closure. Maybe in order to live with and honor Natalee's memory, they have had to find some place within themselves to not be eaten away by it.

I will never, ever, forget the night that Joran's "confession" was being heard, transcribed and posted on this forum. It came in pieces and it was in the light of Beth's video reacting to what was being unveiled to us in pieces. I was posting the translations, as were others, through tears. It was a corner, I believe, for the family. It was a corner even for a faithful monkey named Robots! I felt a sense of validation, and incredible sadness. Even though we all knew we weren't hearing the whole truth, we were witnessing Joran's acknowledgement of Natalee and her death. We saw Joran expose a glimpse of his true nature and we knew the world was watching it as well. The family so desperately needed exactly what Joran was handing them. The family will never give up on Justice and will always pursue it passionately, but we were watching the seed of healing being planted by the only one who possessed it.

Most of us need a different seed for closure. I believe we will witness it one day, and we and the family will end up at the same place when it's harvest time.


Oh wow CBB, that was BEAUTIFUL!!! You summed up my heart perfectly!!!


Now will you change me into my Ohio State Buckeye gear?! lol
PLEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE!!!

Passing your post on to you know who...just too wonderful not to share!!!
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« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2008, 10:37:02 AM »

Dunno, but we do have a visitor from Bangkok, Krung Thep Thailand 
Some pervert searching for: "old thai sex"  

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too funny!!! I always check the sitemeter and save some of them sometimes. Interesting to see what brings people to SM...especially the ones from Aruba. I think it is very telling what info they are reading up on!!

There are quite a few people from Thailand who look up pervert stuff!!!
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« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2008, 12:19:49 PM »

CrazyBabyBorg.  About that post on page 1. 

 

I too believe Natalee was at peace long before we knew she was missing, before that first call to Beth.  God took her by the hand and brought her home.  But there was work to be done.  Because we've gotten glimpses of the dark side of Aruba, not in the back alleys, but in the bright sunlight of the beaches, the casinos and the government.  It's like Jessica's Law.  Long after Jessica was happily sitting and playing in the presence of her heavenly Father, there was work to be done.  God tells us that "Vengeance is mine", but I don't believe he wants us to just sit back and watch the evil and the hate and the lack of respect for God's laws that we've seen.  At the very least, we've exposed the darkness, put a bright light on it.  And those who live in that darkness have had to face what they have become.  I frequently have to remind myself of a quote attributed to Mother Theresa:  "It was never about you and them anyway, it's about you and God." 
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« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2008, 12:24:30 PM »

Beautiful sentiment Lil Puma.
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« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2008, 12:59:35 PM »


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I think you can include Natalee in those peaceful sentiments, Wreck. It's my own personal faith and I don't wish to impose it on anyone else, but Christian scripture teaches that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Natalee is home. We are the ones who are away from home for a time.

The compelling thing about this case, for me, is the injustice that surrounds those who have committed this crime and the pain that it has brought to those who Natalee left behind. Beth's courage, strength, and determination has been gut wrenching and inspirational. Dave's disappointments, patience, and valiant efforts tug at my heart. The venom of the attack on Natalee's character continues to make me rage and the contrast between who Natalee was and who those bastards are that killed her, is so stark it's blinding. The madness of knowing enough sure evidence, as all of us who have been here and followed the case do, while no one is held accountable, makes it so hard to let it go. The whole thing screams at our sense of right and wrong, beautiful and ugly, tragedy and mockery.

So we stay and we stand. We stand with the girl, because as long as we are here, the final chapter isn't written. We refuse to let it end like this and as long as we are here we collectively hold back the current circumstances as an epitaph. This forum is made up of good hearted, caring people. It's right that we are keepers of this noble and right cause. I think we feel the sense of responsibility. We can hold on without being destroyed by it. I'm not sure it was meant for the family to never emotionally seek closure. Maybe in order to live with and honor Natalee's memory, they have had to find some place within themselves to not be eaten away by it.

I will never, ever, forget the night that Joran's "confession" was being heard, transcribed and posted on this forum. It came in pieces and it was in the light of Beth's video reacting to what was being unveiled to us in pieces. I was posting the translations, as were others, through tears. It was a corner, I believe, for the family. It was a corner even for a faithful monkey named Robots! I felt a sense of validation, and incredible sadness. Even though we all knew we weren't hearing the whole truth, we were witnessing Joran's acknowledgement of Natalee and her death. We saw Joran expose a glimpse of his true nature and we knew the world was watching it as well. The family so desperately needed exactly what Joran was handing them. The family will never give up on Justice and will always pursue it passionately, but we were watching the seed of healing being planted by the only one who possessed it.

Most of us need a different seed for closure. I believe we will witness it one day, and we and the family will end up at the same place when it's harvest time.
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cbb, this is great, and i totally agree with you.  word for word.
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« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2008, 01:46:58 PM »

On a dutch blog   also the blog were "gielen " is 

It might be that Joran the victim of a U.S. cover-up

Posted  by mr drs BOU.

Since the last broadcast of PR de Vries about the Holloway case is Joran van der Sloot vogelvrij fully explained. Doodsbedreigingen against him are on the Internet, the population of the Netherlands and environs has Joran guilty to the disappearance of the sweet, innocent, blond Natalee Holloway and Joran his life is no longer certain.

Why is not detained Joran? Why do not they close? Because his father is right, surely? Corruption in the judiciary! Vriendjespolitiek!

The truth is sometimes more complicated than we think. It might be that Joran the victim of a U.S. cover-up, while the true culprits should be sought in the immediate vicinity of Natalee: Beth mother and her (now ex-) husband Jug Twitty. This stepfather of Natalee has relationships in the highest echelons of the government in Washington.

Beth and Jug Twitty, Natalee after the disappearance of two American privedetectives taken in the arm: Dan Young and Kelly Castillo. How reliable are these people, I do not know, but they tell a very different story about the disappearance of Natalee. On January 16, 2008, just before the broadcast of PR de Vries in which the criminal Patrick van der Eem his "boyfriend" Joran a beautiful story in the mouth explained, were Dan and Kelly to score on a talk show on Tele-Aruba. Not only do they say that Natalee two weeks after her disappearance was still alive, but they also have evidence of the lies that Beth says.

After Joran for the second time was arrested and released, they have that evidence presented to the Aruban police. The story of Dan and Kelly show that Joran is innocent, that Natalee wanted to run away from home because they Jug by her stepfather and that she was raped two weeks after her disappearance died of an overdose. If Dan and Kelly speak the truth, then Joran the victim of a smear campaign!

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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2008, 02:13:17 PM »

How can these people live with themselves, spreading such vicious stories like that?  Unbelievable
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