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« Reply #780 on: July 21, 2008, 09:55:40 PM »



I was wondering about the thickness of the bag...being as nothing can be seen through it....

Thanks for the post truthseeker2...Blonde is entitled to think and do as she pleases....like everyone else....

That is...nothing can be seen by just plainly looking at the bag....

True.  But could that be due to the lighting at the time when the video was made?
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« Reply #781 on: July 21, 2008, 09:56:29 PM »

This prom pic?




Yes Carpe , that is the picture they were using. I think Klaas could be right and it is just because her arm is squished against her date.

As to their photoshop theory on all of Nat's pictures I think the mole, freckle or whatever is probably not as obvious to others as it is to her family. You know how we memorize our loved ones features.
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« Reply #782 on: July 21, 2008, 09:56:48 PM »

Uh oh.  It's getting nasty and we are not even CLOSE to page 50.  I thought the unwritten rule was that we get nasty when we get close to 50.  Slow down ladies...we ain't there yet!   

I was happy that no one had anything bad to say about me posting as of yet but I guess I thought too soon....and I earned my star and everything...

LoRain, you are pretty cool by me.  But...Blonde has explained over and over what she did and that she did not alter anything to make it appear that Natalee was in the bag.  She got what she got so I guess I believe her.  The question is...did the material of the bag and the shadows make it look that way or not?  I don't know....

We are all here for the same reason, I think, so I guess I just want to see us all putting our heads an resources together.  That's all.

Truthseeker2  .did the material of the bag and the shadows make it look that way or not?  I don't know....

I don't know either, but this is what I have been told by Dr K  he points out that the
human mind is very powerful and can easily take an image and "translate" it
into something it recognizes.   But why Natalee's face 
Lets all work together not against each other ,after three years we are still here.

     
 
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« Reply #783 on: July 21, 2008, 09:58:17 PM »

Uh oh.  It's getting nasty and we are not even CLOSE to page 50.  I thought the unwritten rule was that we get nasty when we get close to 50.  Slow down ladies...we ain't there yet!   

I was happy that no one had anything bad to say about me posting as of yet but I guess I thought too soon....and I earned my star and everything...

LoRain,  why don't you take your star and go back to BNH and stay there.
You obviously do not like us or what is said or discussed.
You have nothing to contribute but negative comments.
Seems like you should go where you fit in.
Do you get extra points at BNH for coming here and disrupting?
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« Reply #784 on: July 21, 2008, 09:58:20 PM »

This prom pic?




Yes - if you enlarge it you can see that Natalee's right arm looks "funny" in the photo but I'm sure it's just because it's squished between his arm and back.

LOL.  They are questioning her RIGHT arm in that photo??  For goodness sake.  You can't even SEE her right arm in that photo.
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« Reply #785 on: July 21, 2008, 10:00:46 PM »


Truthseeker2  .did the material of the bag and the shadows make it look that way or not?  I don't know....

I don't know either, but this is what I have been told by Dr K  he points out that the
human mind is very powerful and can easily take an image and "translate" it
into something it recognizes.   But why Natalee's face 
Lets all work together not against each other ,after three years we are still here.

     
 

I think we have to stay open to the possibility that she may have been in that bag.  And I like the idea of eveyone continuing to work together here.  The family deserves answers!!!
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« Reply #786 on: July 21, 2008, 10:01:57 PM »





 
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« Reply #787 on: July 21, 2008, 10:02:33 PM »

Article in Bon Dia today says Joran gave a new confession in Thailand.

*reading back to see if this has been discussed.
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« Reply #788 on: July 21, 2008, 10:03:18 PM »

Photo enhancement example where the original is hard to see:

Original as posted in September 2005 on the JoranvanderSlootBog:




Brightened you can clearly see it is Satish with Joran and the girls in Joran's backyard by the pool:



Putting that photo in photoshop and brightening it doesn't make it less real.
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« Reply #789 on: July 21, 2008, 10:03:57 PM »

Article in Bon Dia today says Joran gave a new confession in Thailand.

*reading back to see if this has been discussed.

NO...let me look at Bondia.   Thanks for the heads up!
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« Reply #790 on: July 21, 2008, 10:08:23 PM »

Article in Bon Dia today says Joran gave a new confession in Thailand.

*reading back to see if this has been discussed.

Dated today?
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« Reply #791 on: July 21, 2008, 10:10:08 PM »

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1937&Itemid=1

Awor tin indicacion cu tin cintanan cu confesion nobo di Joran for di Tailandia 
Monday, 21 July 2008 



Joran vd Sloot


ORANJESTAD – Tin indicacion cu un biaha mas tin cintanan di grabacion cu ta contene confesion cu Joran vd Sloot lo a haci, pero e biaha aki durante su estadia na Tailandia. Esaki Bon Dia Aruba a compronde di su contactonan internacional cu a informa cu un di e dianan aki e cintanan aki lo ta den nan poder pa cual nan lo por publica esaki.



Manera ta conoci, algun luna pasa a bin e noticia cu Joran vd Sloot lo tabata na Tailandia cu vacacion y  unda cu e lo a papia cu varios turista y te hasta aparece completamente sunu.
Aki pa su ‘mala suerte’ algun persona a saca su potret y a manda esaki pa prensa, unda cu algun revista a publica e potretnan aki na e.o. Hulanda.

E biaha aki ta e revista semanal hulandes PRIVE cu ta devela potretnan riba cual Joran ta dal drinks cu su amigonan nobo na Tailandia. E ta pose, bebe for di un hemchi, y ta aparece completamente sunu riba beach.
E lo tabata festehando den un posiblemente forma anonimo cu otro turistanan riba e isla Koh Samet, unda cu un turista pa malasuerte di Joran a saca su potret. “Mi ta rey di oceano” e tabata grita segun testigonan ocular, mientras cu e tabata bandona e isla cu un speedboat.

E articulo ta sigui menciona cu Joran lo a laga su mes haya tratamento serca un instituto sychiatrico pa haya terapia pa ‘hendenan cu a pega den un bida normal’ y cu tin problema cu ‘comportacion y problema sychiatrico’.
Un noticia anterior riba Joran tambe ta papia riba un amigo di internet di Joran, Martin Bakx cu lo a fie placa pa evita 10 aña di prison na Thailandia despues cu a descubri’e cu soft drugs, aunke no ta haci mencion di cua droga ta papia di dje.
Finalmente, e ‘amigo’ lo a perde 6 mil euro di su cuenta bancario, cu lo mester a bai pa Joran por a paga pa su foutnE interesante di e storia nobo awor ta cu ta for di dos diferente fuente e noticia di e supuesto confesion nobo aki a sali y cu tin un interes grandi riba e asunto aki.

E ultimo biaha cu cintanan di confesion a wordo traha, tabata cu asistencia di ciudadano Patrick vd Eem cu a haci henter un storia rond di esaki y a capitalisa financieramente riba e suseso aki tambe.
A bai asina leu di interoga v.d. Eem pa su participacion y tabatin intencion di busca vd Sloot basa riba e declaracionnan cu e lo a haci durante e grabacionnan den un auto, aña pasa.
Aworaki no ta conoci den ki forma e grabacionnan aki lo a wordo haci, ni na ken e lo a haci e confesionan aki. Bon Dia Aruba lo sigui e storia aki di serca y wak kico ta sali for di e asunto aki.
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now have indicacion cu have cintanan cu confesion new of joran for of tailandia

 monday, 21 july 2008

 joran vd sloot oranjestad – have indicacion cu once more have cintanan of grabacion cu is contene confesion cu joran vd sloot will owing to haci, but the trip here during his estadia at tailandia. this good morning aruba owing to compronde of his contactonan internacional cu owing to informa cu one of the dianan here the cintanan here will is in they power for cual they will can publica this. as is conoci, some month happen owing to come the news cu joran vd sloot will was at tailandia cu vacacion y where cu the will owing to talk cu several tourist y till even aparece completamente sunu. here for his ‘mala suerte’ some person owing to saca his potret y owing to send this for prensa, where cu some magazine owing to publica the potretnan here at the.o. the netherlands. the trip here is the magazine semanal dutch prive cu is devela potretnan on cual joran is strike drinks cu his amigonan new at tailandia. the is pose, drink for of one hemchi, y is aparece completamente sunu on beach. the will was festehando in one posiblemente form anonimo cu another turistanan on the island koh samet, where cu one tourist for malasuerte of joran owing to saca his potret. “mi is rey of oceano” the was bark according testigonan ocular, while cu the was bandona the island cu one speedboat. the articulo is follow menciona cu joran will owing to let his self achieve tratamento serca one institute sychiatrico for achieve therapy for ‘hendenan cu owing to stick in one life normal’ y cu have problem cu ‘comportacion y problem sychiatrico’. one news anterior on joran also is talk on one amigo of internet of joran, hammer bakx cu will owing to fie coin for evita 10 year of jail at thailandia after cu owing to descubri’e cu soft drugs, although do not haci mencion of cua drugs is talk of dje. finalmente, the ‘amigo’ will owing to lose 6 thousand euro of his cuenta bancario, cu will have to owing to go for joran can owing to pay for his foutne interesting of the storia new now is cu is for of two various fountain the news of the supuesto confesion new here owing to leave y cu have one interest big on the asunto here. the ultimo trip cu cintanan of confesion owing to wordo work, was cu asistencia of ciudadano patrick vd eem cu owing to haci all one storia rond of this y owing to capitalisa financieramente on the suseso here also. owing to go so far of interoga v.d. eem for his participacion y had intencion of busca vd sloot basa on the declaracionnan cu the will owing to haci during the grabacionnan in one car, year happen. aworaki do not conoci in what form the grabacionnan here will owing to wordo haci, neither at that the will owing to haci the confesionan here. good morning aruba will follow the storia here of serca y look at kico is leave for of the asunto here. an. come across


I don't think this is anything new, I think it's just that "wee willy" photo and article in the Dutch tabloid Prive
 
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« Reply #792 on: July 21, 2008, 10:12:14 PM »

So, Bon Dia is a bit behind in their reporting.
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« Reply #793 on: July 21, 2008, 10:13:52 PM »

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1937&Itemid=1

Awor tin indicacion cu tin cintanan cu confesion nobo di Joran for di Tailandia 
Monday, 21 July 2008 



Joran vd Sloot


I don't think this is anything new, I think it's just that "wee willy" photo and article in the Dutch tabloid Prive
 



What this tells me is that Joran is trying to stress to everyone that Natalee was put in the ocean.  I have never believed she was in the ocean and they sure are trying their best to convince us.
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« Reply #794 on: July 21, 2008, 10:15:25 PM »

 

Something to think about here. If Puerto Rico is worried and it much closer to the US than the Antilles, they must be crapping their pants in Aruba.

Cuts may hurt Caribbean

Fuel costs, U.S. economy force airlines to limit flights to tourism-dependent islands

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Published on Sunday, Jul 20, 2008

SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO: Expensive jet fuel and a soft American economy are threatening to sink Caribbean tourism as airline ticket prices soar and flights are sharply reduced, choking the flow of the vacationers that many tiny islands depend on.


Tourism is the economic cornerstone of the Caribbean, which drew more than 15 million visitors last year to its cities and beaches.

''Billions of dollars of investment are being exposed and thousands of jobs are being exposed,'' said Allen Chastanet, chairman of the Caribbean Tourism Organization.

Airlines are cutting back around the world as passengers balk at paying fares that have risen along with fuel costs. The Caribbean is particularly vulnerable because one foundering
airline, American, controls much of the market, carrying more than 60 percent of the passengers traveling through Puerto Rico last year.

American now expects to cut daily flights out of Puerto Rico's capital from 93 to 51 in September. Some flights will be cut to Santo Domingo, Antigua, St. Maarten, Aruba and Samana in the Dominican Republic, spokeswoman Minnette Velez said.

Fewer flights to Puerto Rico also could also jeopardize the island's cruise ship industry, since it would be harder for passengers to reach the island to board. Ten cruise ships used Puerto Rico as their home port last year.

Rather than raise ticket prices so high that they're beyond the reach of most customers, American has decided to cut flights and reduce capacity, Velez said. ''Traveling would be completely inaccessible if we increase fares as oil prices rise,'' she said.

Other carriers are making similar moves. Spirit Airlines recently said it would close its San Juan hub, and Continental Airlines expects to soon announce destination and flight cuts.

The Caribbean is still affordable for wealthy travelers, but resorts ''that appeal particularly to price-sensitive families are in a world of trouble,'' said Christopher Hart, a professor at the Cornell University School of Hotel Administration.

The flight cuts are coming despite increases in tourism this year to most of the islands, including double-digit growth in U.S. visitors to Antigua, St. Lucia and Jamaica, according to the Caribbean Tourism Organization. The Dominican Republic reported 407,000 U.S. tourists from January to April, a 6 percent increase from last year, and Puerto Rico reported increased airline passenger traffic as well.

Now many fear even more cuts, meaning the islands won't even have a chance to lure more tourists.

''This is just the beginning,'' said Peter Muller, a German native who owns the Hotel Coyamar in Samana, the Dominican Republic.

''We're going to reach a point where it's no longer worth keeping the airport open.''

In Antigua, where tourism officials tried to lure visitors over the weekend of June 14-15 with a music festival featuring Lionel Richie and Kenny Rogers, most of the tickets sold were to locals, festival chairman Alvin Edwards said.

Antigua's tourism board announced in early June that Delta Airlines would soon launch a direct flight from New York to Antigua. The airline formally announced the flight on June 12.

The U.S. Caribbean territory of Puerto Rico, the region's main tourism gateway, has offered to reduce low-season airport fees by as much as 45 percent to persuade airlines to reconsider.

Flying against the trend is JetBlue Airways Corp., which plans to add daily flights to Puerto Rico from New York, Orlando and Boston starting this fall, and Virgin Atlantic, whose president, Richard Branson, said he also might add extra flights from the United States to the Caribbean.

''Where things are seriously going wrong is in America,'' Branson said. ''Virgin America is a great airline, it's doing very well. We have young planes, which are more fuel-efficient than the ones American Airlines has.''

Smaller islands are asking regional carriers such as LIAT and Air Jamaica to increase flights and coordinate schedules to fill gaps left by American, said Chastanet, who is also St. Lucia's tourism minister.

Some islands also are turning to Europe, where the euro has risen against the dollar, making Caribbean vacations more attractive.

Information: The Caribbean Tourism Organization (212-635-9530) is a good resource. Or visit http://www.caribbeantravel.com and http://www.onecaribbean.org.

SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO: Expensive jet fuel and a soft American economy are threatening to sink Caribbean tourism as airline ticket prices soar and flights are sharply reduced, choking the flow of the vacationers that many tiny islands depend on.

Tourism is the economic cornerstone of the Caribbean, which drew more than 15 million visitors last year to its cities and beaches.

''Billions of dollars of investment are being exposed and thousands of jobs are being exposed,'' said Allen Chastanet, chairman of the Caribbean Tourism Organization.

Airlines are cutting back around the world as passengers balk at paying fares that have risen along with fuel costs. The Caribbean is particularly vulnerable because one foundering
airline, American, controls much of the market, carrying more than 60 percent of the passengers traveling through Puerto Rico last year.

American now expects to cut daily flights out of Puerto Rico's capital from 93 to 51 in September. Some flights will be cut to Santo Domingo, Antigua, St. Maarten, Aruba and Samana in the Dominican Republic, spokeswoman Minnette Velez said.

Fewer flights to Puerto Rico also could also jeopardize the island's cruise ship industry, since it would be harder for passengers to reach the island to board. Ten cruise ships used Puerto Rico as their home port last year.

Rather than raise ticket prices so high that they're beyond the reach of most customers, American has decided to cut flights and reduce capacity, Velez said. ''Traveling would be completely inaccessible if we increase fares as oil prices rise,'' she said.

Other carriers are making similar moves. Spirit Airlines recently said it would close its San Juan hub, and Continental Airlines expects to soon announce destination and flight cuts.

The Caribbean is still affordable for wealthy travelers, but resorts ''that appeal particularly to price-sensitive families are in a world of trouble,'' said Christopher Hart, a professor at the Cornell University School of Hotel Administration.

The flight cuts are coming despite increases in tourism this year to most of the islands, including double-digit growth in U.S. visitors to Antigua, St. Lucia and Jamaica, according to the Caribbean Tourism Organization. The Dominican Republic reported 407,000 U.S. tourists from January to April, a 6 percent increase from last year, and Puerto Rico reported increased airline passenger traffic as well.

Now many fear even more cuts, meaning the islands won't even have a chance to lure more tourists.

''This is just the beginning,'' said Peter Muller, a German native who owns the Hotel Coyamar in Samana, the Dominican Republic.

''We're going to reach a point where it's no longer worth keeping the airport open.''

In Antigua, where tourism officials tried to lure visitors over the weekend of June 14-15 with a music festival featuring Lionel Richie and Kenny Rogers, most of the tickets sold were to locals, festival chairman Alvin Edwards said.

Antigua's tourism board announced in early June that Delta Airlines would soon launch a direct flight from New York to Antigua. The airline formally announced the flight on June 12.
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« Reply #795 on: July 21, 2008, 10:17:42 PM »

Let's see:

Borrowed speed boat to put in Ocean.
Dompig believes Ocean.
Joran says Ocean.

If Jan Van der Straaten was drawing a picture in the sand why wouldn't he just point to the ocean.  He was drawing a picture as to where he thought she was put and that was on land.  JMO of course.

Take what they say and think the opposite.
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« Reply #796 on: July 21, 2008, 10:18:52 PM »

Yes, it's Bon Dia - and we have all been down this road before...so probably BS.

But.

I do believe they are saying that there is a new confession. Will f/u.
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« Reply #797 on: July 21, 2008, 10:22:08 PM »

Let's see:

Borrowed speed boat to put in Ocean.
Dompig believes Ocean.
Joran says Ocean.

If Jan Van der Straaten was drawing a picture in the sand why wouldn't he just point to the ocean.  He was drawing a picture as to where he thought she was put and that was on land.  JMO of course.

Take what they say and think the opposite.

Good point about Van Der Straaten.  Why draw in the sand when you could sweep your arm to indicate all that ocean water.
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« Reply #798 on: July 21, 2008, 10:23:00 PM »


I've only been here about 10 minutes and I can already feel my blood pressure rising.  The nerve of these people!  The Korps Politie Aruba website has a picture of Beth's book "Loving Natalee"..the "story" beside it is the lies of Rene Gielen. 
 



Doesn't that tell you they're crooked? None of their evidence supports anything Gielen has said but ALE posted her article anyway.

Any thoughts that Dolph Richardson is Dirty Hand? He was in on the case from the beginning working behind the scenes. It was Dolph who was sent to pacify Bachus.

Dayhiker,
At this point, I want someone, anyone to prove to me that there was one, just ONE set of CLEAN HANDS involved in this case!  From what others have said here, that article has been on their website for MONTHS! 
 


Hey hey, good point Texasmom. There is no way one person could have pulled off the government cover-up.

I do suspect Dolph Richardson of some involvement. He has been on the case since day one, working the early months in the shadows when most of the damage of the cover-up was done. Dolph would have some say in what goes up on the ALE website. He must approve of Gielen and her theories and the spread of disinformation.
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« Reply #799 on: July 21, 2008, 10:32:33 PM »

Odd that they are posting that on the ALE website and Gielen is very active right now.  Wonder why?  Why now?  What has been dicussed recently here?  The bag?  What else?
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