Lively Case Discussion #485 7/1 - 7/3/2006

[mrs. red]

Art talking about Wiever... so the film made him nervous??

[klaasend]

Guido was dealing poker the night Natalee and Joran were in the Casino.

[Frijole]

Art talking about Wiever... so the film made him nervous??

Hmmmm

[Anna]

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Don't you have a Windows Media Player?  Click on the line that says something like 16 bit for it to play on that.  Or Quicktime will also play it.
If you have audio, you should be able to hear it.

[AZLady]

There are some credible witnesses out there who have not been a position to tell the story yet.  Puzzle is spread out across the island.  About a month ago, they had GVC in prison in Holland, dealer from casino where Joran and Natalee met.  He's one of Joran's friends.  He was discovered in June last year by Art and needed pursued.  He was dealing the night Joran met Natalee.  This guy was very nervouswhen questioned by police regarding the film of poker and bj table.  We're trying to determine if it was PVDS at the bj table, but I wouldn't count that so much as evidence.  Joran was there and met Natalee.  Joran came to the table after PVDS went home.  If that is PVDS iit is important, as it shows they are both lying about meeting Natalee.

[San]

Art said Joran said he came to the poker table after Paulus went home.  If that is indeed Paulus at the table they are both lying.

[Red]

Art Brings up a great point here about the suspect statements ... none were in the files until their arrest.

Dennis Jacobs and Van der Stratten ... the height of credibility.

[igsigs]

Art Wood

Van der Straaten told people that Joran confessed.

[klaasend]

Pages of the interrigations missing.  Sounds like the pages missing have to do with the confession that had been reported on the 11th.

[AZLady]

What about the belt?  Jossy brings up a good point that some of the evidence is missing.  We were led to believe the boys were interviewed on May 30 and 31 and Dennis Jacobs wasgoing to interview them again on the first.  But none of these statement are in the files.  Then the family is told the investigation is a a murder investigation on Jun 10.  Jan Van der Stratten was best friends with PVDS.  He interviewed Joran on June 9 and people were told by him that Joran confessed and were going to be led to the body.  But on the 15th only part of that interview is in the case files.  But it's only a short report.  Pages and pages of the interrogations are missing.  Jacobs was a narc detective, hand picked to lead investigation--has a lot of bizarre behavior.  He is either inept or has personally sabotaged the case

[San]

Dennis Jacobs was hand picked by the chief to be in charge of the investigation.

[Frijole]

I think Art Woods has been wanting to talk about this for a long long time.  He seems relieved to share this.  Poor guy.

[San]

There are reasons why he searched the area where he found the belt.  A caller saw activity on the night that Natalee disappeared.

[Linda]

Why doesn't someone ask the girl(s) who were at the table with Natalee if that was Paulus there?  The friend who spoke for the first time on Natalee's anniversary said on TV there was an older man there.  Has anyone ever asked her if it was Paulus?

[igsigs]

I think Art Woods has been wanting to talk about this for a long long time.  He seems relieved to share this.  Poor guy.

Great choice for the show. Thanks to whoever made it happen.

[San]

Art said it was a distinctive belt.  He delieved the belt to Roy Tromp and he said man this is identical.

[klaasend]

BELT - they had witnesses that saw vehicles at the Dunes and Lighthouse area that night.  Good reason to search that area.  So he was kicking around in the sand and found the belt.  Police said to bring it in in the morning.

He started going through the photo files and saw the belt.  Distinctive belt, elongated and square holes.  Very long belt.  

Turned it over to ALE Roy Tromp.  Looked identical to Roy Tromp.  They determined the belt was too old.  They didn't do anything with the belt.

[AZLady]

The belt.  We have witnesses who led Art to the area of the dunes.  Where Dave saw the guy with the trunk open who slammed it and sped away and he thought this strange.  This was where a caller had seen activitiy the night she disappeared.  Wood found the belt there.  He put it in his car trunk.  He called cops and they said bring it in in the morning.  He went back and hooked up with Eduardo and they were going to interview some people.  He thought he had seen the belt before.  He remembered seeing Joran and the kid choking with the belt.  Art recognized it cuz of the elongated squared holes.  It's discolored and wide and brown leather, very long.  When he turned it over to police, the lead invest. was Roy Trump and he gave it to him.  He took a statement and said it was identical and said this is important.  Then Art learned they decided the belt was too old to be important and was too long to be Joran's.  Art told them no one ever claimed it was worn by Joran or that it was new.  It was a prop Joran had used.  Art tried to get it back through an attorney, but it was gone.  He wanted it tested--there might have been blood or dna or anything on it.

[Tylergal]

The poker dealer, Guido, was in jail, and Art found him last summer, should have been pursued.  He was actually dealing poker the night that Joran met Natalee in the casino and employees that Art interviewed said Guido was very nervous.  He was dealing at poker and blackjack tables where Joran first met Natalee.

Paulus vanderSloot says he never met Natalee, but Art agrees that the man at the BJ table certainly looks like Paulus but certainly cannot count that so much as evidence but clear that Joran was there and admits it.

Joran says he came to the table after Paulus went off.  If that is Paulus at that table, that is extremely important, that tells that both he and his son are lying to the authorities.

Initially it may not be direct evidence as far as murder/kidnap but it is evidence inasmuch as obstruction and possible corruption in Aruba that is leading to all this information.

Let's get to the belt.  Dana is looking at the pictures of Joran with the blet which looks like the one Art found.  Jossy has mentioned evidence is missing.

Art says Jossy brought up a good point and Dave was led to believe early on in investigation, approximately June 1, his first day on the island, Dennis Jacobs led Dave to believe the boys were interviewed and that Dennis was going to take statements in a day or two but no statements show up in any files until they are arrested on June 10.  On June 10 family was told this is a murder invetigation and led them to believe someone confessed and someone in the government released that info and that they were being led to the body but we never knew that, and if they found the body, it would be hard to cover up.

JVDStratten best friends with Paulus, and resigned from the case.  He interviewed Joran on 9 June and people were told him that JOran confessed and they were going to be led to the body, but the post on 13th shows that only part of the interview was presented to the case and this is where Joran indicates Deepak raped and killed Natalee, buried her near the fisherman's hut, but it appears page after page of this are missing.

There are a lot of interrogations we question.  Dennis Jacobs, lead investigator , picked by the chief was a narcotics investigator, never worked a missing persons case, his behavior is bizarre and may have sabotaged the case.

About the belt, there are reasons why I searched for the belt  We had witnesses that led us to the area who saw vehicles to this area, and led me to search and believe it or not, this is where Dave saw the police car that was acting strangely with the trunk open/closed and Dave felt it strange.  Dave was in Mississippi at that time.  Gave Art a description of the area and was the same area a caller had seen activity the night she disappeared.  Art found the belt, put it in his car and was going to take to ALE the next morning, and they told him to bring it in the next day.  He went back and hooked up with Eduardo for interviewing some people that night.  Later that night, he was thinking about the belt and he went through the newspaper and photo file and saw Joran from the website, choking the young man with this belt.  I am saying, "that is the belt.  This is a distinctive belt with elongated, square holes."  Has a lock on it, discolored in that it has perspiration and wear, very wide, thick, good leather belt, very long. When I turned over to police, the lead (chief people) Roy Trump took the belt, Art gave statement.  He said this is identical and is important.  Art felt it important.  Later he found out the belt was not sent to Holland, it was too old, it had been in the sand too long.  Art said no one claimed Joran wore the belt, he is choking the kid with the belt.  He only claimed this was the belt in the picture.

He went through an attorney to try to get the belt back to send to private lab, and he has no idea what happened to belt.  Run around, could be blood or DNA in the belt.  Does not know where it is.  With computer enhancement, you could tell if it is the same belt, based on striation, etc.  It is possible to identify his fingerprints with enhancement.

[Frijole]

This is fascinating!