Lively Case Discussion #485 7/1 - 7/3/2006

[AZLady]

I knew there must have been DNA evidence of Natalee in Joran's apartment.  I know there was blood in the car.  Nothing else tests like blood.  What test could they have requested from the Netherlands that came back that the substance was chocolate and cleaning fluid?  For goodness sake, the luminol would have identified the blood--the Netherlands only needed to tell them whose blood it was!!!  They most likely switched the evidence and requested the Netherlands identify the stains, and did not request DNA identification of the blood (because they knew it wasn't blood they sent to NL).   What a crooked and corrupt bunch of losers!

[Kat_Gram]

I might be alone in this opinion, but I haven't thrown Greta under the bus yet.  She may have used that tactic with Joran in order to get the most out of him.  Any other method and he might have clammed up and not provided anything.  

Let's just say I've used that technique in business prior to firing someone.  Let them talk, get their side, and then come back with absolute proof and dispell what they've said...  I  just hope Greta took every single detail that was said and uses it to disprove Joran's credibility....now that's the report I want to see....

I don't think thats it at all. She tends to believe Joran.
She would have said something by now to " unbeleive" him.
If she had come on like she was interrogating him, there would have been no interview, but to state her opinion and have it so widely viewed, that was not right. Many people do not follow this thing like the Monkeys, so if you were just to tune in to Greta, you might take her opinion as a reliable one.

[Tylergal]

I knew there must have been DNA evidence of Natalee in Joran's apartment.  I know there was blood in the car.  Nothing else tests like blood.  What test could they have requested from the Netherlands that came back that the substance was chocolate and cleaning fluid?  For goodness sake, the luminol would have identified the blood--the Netherlands only needed to tell them whose blood it was!!!  They most likely switched the evidence and requested the Netherlands identify the stains, and did not request DNA identification of the blood (because they knew it wasn't blood they sent to NL).   What a crooked and corrupt bunch of losers!

Is this not what Karin Janssen personally took with her to Holland?

[Peaches]

I knew there must have been DNA evidence of Natalee in Joran's apartment.  I know there was blood in the car.  Nothing else tests like blood.  What test could they have requested from the Netherlands that came back that the substance was chocolate and cleaning fluid?  For goodness sake, the luminol would have identified the blood--the Netherlands only needed to tell them whose blood it was!!!  They most likely switched the evidence and requested the Netherlands identify the stains, and did not request DNA identification of the blood (because they knew it wasn't blood they sent to NL).   What a crooked and corrupt bunch of losers!

Yessiree!  Seperated at birth..   I think I'll go to bed now and just let you post instead.

[San]

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Oh, I don't think Joran was at any casino at all.  Has that been verified?  Why would two or three carloads of adults load up and head on over to where the CHILD is??

What's wrong with this picture?  Would not any NORMAL father have told his son to get himself home and pronto?  Do adults go to children like that?  Not around here!  Stalling desperately for time.  We need to know if Joran was even at the Radisson because if you will recall this was shortly after CCRoes saw Deepak's car at the Sloots.  They were warned and never at the casino.  What were they doing and with Deepak's car?

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I think when Paulus was talking to Joran he was in the house.

[SunFreak2]

This much I promise, if I EVER call in for one of these shows I'm going to use by best southern accent so you guys can't figure out who I am..ha ha ha

If I should call in again, I am going to read palms.  

I can read sweat and knew right away Paulus was lying  

My talent is reading head shapes.  Joran is definitely a monster.  

[AZLady]

I knew there must have been DNA evidence of Natalee in Joran's apartment.  I know there was blood in the car.  Nothing else tests like blood.  What test could they have requested from the Netherlands that came back that the substance was chocolate and cleaning fluid?  For goodness sake, the luminol would have identified the blood--the Netherlands only needed to tell them whose blood it was!!!  They most likely switched the evidence and requested the Netherlands identify the stains, and did not request DNA identification of the blood (because they knew it wasn't blood they sent to NL).   What a crooked and corrupt bunch of losers!

Yessiree!  Seperated at birth..   I think I'll go to bed now and just let you post instead.

Whoa, sister!  You need to help this girl out tonight.  I am fuming mad and can't be this mad and left alone!!!    

Well, if you really need to get some sleep...

[Peaches]

I might be alone in this opinion, but I haven't thrown Greta under the bus yet.  She may have used that tactic with Joran in order to get the most out of him.  Any other method and he might have clammed up and not provided anything.  

Let's just say I've used that technique in business prior to firing someone.  Let them talk, get their side, and then come back with absolute proof and dispell what they've said...  I  just hope Greta took every single detail that was said and uses it to disprove Joran's credibility....now that's the report I want to see....

I don't think thats it at all. She tends to believe Joran.
She would have said something by now to " unbeleive" him.
If she had come on like she was interrogating him, there would have been no interview, but to state her opinion and have it so widely viewed, that was not right. Many people do not follow this thing like the Monkeys, so if you were just to tune in to Greta, you might take her opinion as a reliable one.

Unless Greta thinks she may have a shot at another interview?  Okay, maybe not. My opinion of her went straight to the crapper when she said she "tended to believe him".  She should have let Ted Williams do the interview.  He'd have gotten to the bottom of things by now.

[Anna]

I might be alone in this opinion, but I haven't thrown Greta under the bus yet.  She may have used that tactic with Joran in order to get the most out of him.  Any other method and he might have clammed up and not provided anything.  

Let's just say I've used that technique in business prior to firing someone.  Let them talk, get their side, and then come back with absolute proof and dispell what they've said...  I  just hope Greta took every single detail that was said and uses it to disprove Joran's credibility....now that's the report I want to see....

I haven't given up on Greta either.  We will just have to wait and see.

But it's too late.  She already said she "tends to believe" Joran.  She has endorsed what he has said to her by doing that.  She could have remained neutral but instead she had to say she believed him when there is an hour gap in his timeline to her.  

I wish she had some sort of a plan but fear the time for that has long since passed.  She has damaged Beth's credibility by doing so and it was all so unnecessary.  Greta thinks the Sloots are "a wonderful family" and said so as well.  Guess her old friends at Court TV convinced her to side with the perp yet again.  I could believe that she was trying to get information as well if she just had not said on National TV that she believed Joran.

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[AZLady]

Absolutely, the two goons were in the house all the time.  They were scrubbing that car interior.  They needed to get the visible blood out of it.   Why else lean against the car so nonchalantly when the family drove up for the second time?  I swear this resembles some keystone cops cartoon!!

[Peaches]

I knew there must have been DNA evidence of Natalee in Joran's apartment.  I know there was blood in the car.  Nothing else tests like blood.  What test could they have requested from the Netherlands that came back that the substance was chocolate and cleaning fluid?  For goodness sake, the luminol would have identified the blood--the Netherlands only needed to tell them whose blood it was!!!  They most likely switched the evidence and requested the Netherlands identify the stains, and did not request DNA identification of the blood (because they knew it wasn't blood they sent to NL).   What a crooked and corrupt bunch of losers!

Yessiree!  Seperated at birth..   I think I'll go to bed now and just let you post instead.

Whoa, sister!  You need to help this girl out tonight.  I am fuming mad and can't be this mad and left alone!!!    

Well, if you really need to get some sleep...

I'm too irate to sleep and bordering on BUI!  GAAAAAAACK!  I'll be doing an Angie on the keyboard......just "pooping" in!  LMAO!!

THank for posting that belt pic, Klaas. He gets it now.

[klaasend]

You're welcome Peaches!

[Tylergal]

Anna, I agree with you & AzLady, Kat-Gram.  There was no need for her to say on TV that she believed him, but even worse yet, to call Beth and tell her at a time when Beth was about to go on the road with all those meetings, and undermine what Beth was doing for our children, for women, for anyone who might need to be warned of the dangers of travel abroad.  This totally under-cut Beth's credibility and as a result she probably lost some tours she might have done.  No, I cannot forgive Greta for kicking Beth when she was down.

[AZLady]

I so want the FBI on this case.  I want to see the FBI interrogate Paulus, Joran, Deepak, Satish, and Freddy.  Think Paulus can sweat for Greta?  Well, wait until the FBI come a knockin'.  He'll need a couple of towels, Anita.

[Sleuth]

I don't think anyone has (nor can) damage Beth's credibility.

[AZLady]

Tyler, you are exactly right.  Greta took this a couple steps too far, and she has lost any credibility now.  She's totally out of my book.

[AZLady]

I don't think anyone has (nor can) damage Beth's credibility.

Sleuth, the true character of a person shows when he/she is under pressure.  Beth is the ultimate lady, a truely courageous and remarkable woman.

[Sleuth]

I do agree that Greta's "tends to agree" comment was out of line....but I think Beth is as credible as ever....

[Anna]

I so want the FBI on this case.  I want to see the FBI interrogate Paulus, Joran, Deepak, Satish, and Freddy.  Think Paulus can sweat for Greta?  Well, wait until the FBI come a knockin'.  He'll need a couple of towels, Anita.

I'll have to see it to believe it because I don't believe for one minute Aruba will EVER let the FBI or anybody else near any evidence they have collected, if they have even kept it.  Van der Stratten was saying before he even retired that no one was going to come in and check his work, etc.
They certainly have not gone to all this trouble to cover up only to let the FBI come in and expose them.

Will never happen.  Sadly.  

[Peaches]

Absolutely, the two goons were in the house all the time.  They were scrubbing that car interior.  They needed to get the visible blood out of it.   Why else lean against the car so nonchalantly when the family drove up for the second time?  I swear this resembles some keystone cops cartoon!!

And what could be handier than that bigass garage in the VDS compound?

The whole going to the Wyndham was a stalling tactic.