Lively Case Discussion #485 7/1 - 7/3/2006

[Tony]

Stef is the partygirl  friend to Freddy Joran and Earl Clemencia. We saw her picture at the Mill resort naked.

[klaasend]

Young Scared Blonde Girl?

Valentij, goon's younger brother, had a blonde girlfriend.  Internet was strewn with pictures of her.  

Based on modus, they attack as gang girls younger than them.

Hammer - I can't imagine it's her, she is still friendly with Valentijn?  Maybe one of her schoolmates in Aruba though.

[klaasend]

Stef is the partygirl  friend to Freddy Joran and Earl Clemencia. We saw her picture at the Mill resort naked.

Is Earl around Joran's age?

[Shell]

For Shell

http://tinyurl.com/l2sac

Thanks BT, that was so sweet, I really appreciated that. How adorable!

[Tylergal]

Back in late August, I went to a site that had Middle Goon picture with his new girlfriend, a blond.  He had dumped "Natalie" the other girlfriend and was lamenting that life at his house was hell and everyone was probably aware of what Joran had caused, but declaring his mentor to be totally innocent of any wrong doing and "bragging" about the new girlfriend and "all her tricks."  She looked almost old enough to have begun her menarche.

[AZLady]

[Neighbor across the way is very good to take in cats.  She has about 20.  Four years ago they totally redecorated their house.  Today I saw the Goodwill taking their white leather sectional and recliners away, almost in shreds from cat scratches.  They are going to redecorate now that they have built the cats an addition on to their home, an air-conditioned glassed-in room that cost them $63,000.  I guess it's cheaper than redecorating every few years, including flooring and furnishings.  Anna, don't let the dogs stay inside that long.

OMG--$63,000 to add on a cat room!  I think some designer or contractor got a hold of them and oversold them on that room.  I'll bet it is beautiful, but that is just an outrageous amount of money for a cat room.  After all, the cats prefer lots of cat walks, toys, jute for scratching, and soft beds for sleeping, along with food, water and litter boxes.  Even with 20 cats, that can't cost $63,000!!  I think they are the most pampered kitties in Alabama, and my three want to go live there!!!  I told them no;  they are not moving to the kitty palace in Alabama and must stay right here with me in their ordinary old home.  so there!

[Tony]

Earl is now 25 years old.
He is one bad ass.

http://tinyurl.com/qpoq5   (tickle site)

[Anna]

Back in late August, I went to a site that had Middle Goon picture with his new girlfriend, a blond.  He had dumped "Natalie" the other girlfriend and was lamenting that life at his house was hell and everyone was probably aware of what Joran had caused, but declaring his mentor to be totally innocent of any wrong doing and "bragging" about the new girlfriend and "all her tricks."  She looked almost old enough to have begun her menarche.

Tyler,
Do you remember what Middle posted about Joran cutting off Natalee's head one time?  I wish I had saved that along with about a thousand other articles we looked at in the beginning.  He posted it on his sorpia account I believe but it was something totally strange like Joran cut off her head above the eyebrows or something way off like that.

I can't remember now. . . . . . .

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[klaasend]

Earl is now 25 years old.
He is one bad ass.

http://tinyurl.com/qpoq5   (tickle site)

Thanks Tony - saved me a ton of time searching, lol

[Mere]

Earl is now 25 years old.
He is one bad ass.

http://tinyurl.com/qpoq5   (tickle site)

Thanks Tony - saved me a ton of time searching, lol

...and he is the son of .....????

[Anna]

Tony,
If you are still here, what are the Downtown Soldiers?  Is that a real gang and if so what are they about?

TIA

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[Tylergal]

Back in late August, I went to a site that had Middle Goon picture with his new girlfriend, a blond.  He had dumped "Natalie" the other girlfriend and was lamenting that life at his house was hell and everyone was probably aware of what Joran had caused, but declaring his mentor to be totally innocent of any wrong doing and "bragging" about the new girlfriend and "all her tricks."  She looked almost old enough to have begun her menarche.

Tyler,
Do you remember what Middle posted about Joran cutting off Natalee's head one time?  I wish I had saved that along with about a thousand other articles we looked at in the beginning.  He posted it on his sorpia account I believe but it was something totally strange like Joran cut off her head above the eyebrows or something way off like that.

I can't remember now. . . . . . .

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I absolutely do, Anna, and I have not mentioned that subsequently for fear I was the only one who recalled that.

[klaasend]

Earl is now 25 years old.
He is one bad ass.

http://tinyurl.com/qpoq5   (tickle site)

Thanks Tony - saved me a ton of time searching, lol

...and he is the son of .....????

Not sure of that, maybe Tony can answer.  So may people with similar surnames.

[AZLady]

Here's Valentijn's page from his flicker blog which is now gone.  Pic of the girl here, too. http://static.flickr.com/29/37748857_68d99d827e_o.jpg

[Anna]

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I absolutely do, Anna, and I have not mentioned that subsequently for fear I was the only one who recalled that.

Was that what he said--cut off her head above the eyebrows?  Isn't
that a strange thing for a child to write?  How would one do that anyway and why?  

Those younger kids are warped for life as well growing up around all
of this mess.  Same upbringing permissive lifestyle it seems.

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[Tylergal]

Here's Valentijn's page from his flicker blog which is now gone.  Pic of the girl here, too. http://static.flickr.com/29/37748857_68d99d827e_o.jpg

Back in winter, while Big Ox Baby Huey was still in the neverlands, who I assumed to be Val *based on different reasons) would come to  SM and click onto the Paris Hilton thread.  I would notice that different ISPs from Holland would do the same.  They would read and leave after an hour or so.  I asssumed they were reading and probably IM'ing to each other regards what they read.

[Tylergal]

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I absolutely do, Anna, and I have not mentioned that subsequently for fear I was the only one who recalled that.

Was that what he said--cut off her head above the eyebrows?  Isn't
that a strange thing for a child to write?  How would one do that anyway and why?  

Those younger kids are warped for life as well growing up around all
of this mess.  Same upbringing permissive lifestyle it seems.

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Anna, I don't remember exactly how it was said but I thought he meant they cut off her head and her eybrows, but I could have gotten it wrong.

[Tony]

Nice save AZlady
Anna the downtown soldiers are just a name for the tickle site grouping. It wasnt used around town as a "crips" or "bloods"  gang term.  When I introduced the Bibba Leker gang to scared monkeys, they were a known group of what I call druggie thugs. These guys are low level drug dealers and users. The k2 and others we know were in the fringes of this gang.

[Mere]

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I absolutely do, Anna, and I have not mentioned that subsequently for fear I was the only one who recalled that.

Was that what he said--cut off her head above the eyebrows?  Isn't
that a strange thing for a child to write?  How would one do that anyway and why?  

Those younger kids are warped for life as well growing up around all
of this mess.  Same upbringing permissive lifestyle it seems.

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Anna, I don't remember exactly how it was said but I thought he meant they cut off her head and her eybrows, but I could have gotten it wrong.

Ladies...I hate to get involved in this one since I am not the one with the best memory....but I think it was above the eyebrows.....

I thought it was so strange for him to say that.....I just wanted to discard the thought and hope the family did not see it....but that, along with the rumors said by the classmates...made me think this was not an accident.

[Anna]

AZLady,
Yes some breeds of dog have a wonderful tolerance for heat but my friend's bulldog recently died of a heat stroke so I am just a little more cautious because of that.  Scotties with black coat attract more heat, too.   Our heat index was 112 yesterday because we have so much humidity.  It is about 96 now but with 48% humidity and really miserable.  I try to make them get wet or come inside when it is like this.  The white ones naturally have made a sort of dust wallow to roll around in after getting wet in my fine black soil.    

It is unseasonably hot here in Alabama for this time of year.  One of the hottest summers on record so they have had no chance to acclimate to this.  I am just naturally a worrier.

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