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« Reply #120 on: July 23, 2008, 10:26:30 PM »

What if Joran and the Kalpoe brothers drugged, raped, and hurt Natalee but left her in the bushes near the Fishermens Shacks, had to go home to make things right, but intended to come back later.  Then she was gone.  They didnt know what happened to her.
If they "merely" drugged, raped, hurt her and left her in the bushes then they are 100% guilty of murder. Who cares if they don't know what happened to her afterwards???? What's your point?
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« Reply #121 on: July 23, 2008, 10:28:02 PM »

Klaas,

"Current government begrotingsgat digs for the next '
July 22, 2008, 18:52 (GMT -04:00)

Didja catch this one from Amigoe yet???


http://tinyurl.com/6zob87


It may be good enough for an FP post?

Maybe we can get a better translation from Jossy or one of the Dutch posters on this.  I agree, would make a good front page but we need to clean up the translation.  I can clean it up some.

Thanks!
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« Reply #122 on: July 23, 2008, 10:31:27 PM »

No Wreck, if they left her there alive and someone else got her, they would make sense.  Then Joran would have made up his Joran to Patrick for drugs.
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« Reply #123 on: July 23, 2008, 10:34:51 PM »

No Wreck, if they left her there alive and someone else got her, they would make sense.  Then Joran would have made up his Joran to Patrick for drugs.
I guess I'm not following you.
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« Reply #124 on: July 23, 2008, 10:36:37 PM »

Ok, Im just talking to myself.  But this has really been bugging me.  I thought if the 3 boys didnt rape, kill Natalee alone, if some of the elders were involved, then why, when they were all alone, didnt they discuss it.  I kept asking an older monkey this and he said he felt their talk was scripted.  I never thought of that.  That would mean the elders told them what to say when they were being taped at the very beginning.


I think it is a stretch imo to think that these losers could memorize entire scripts

of what to say. Especially when you consider, a large part of why the case

has been able to be picked apart so well... is because of their hasty mistakes,

and Joran's big fat lying mouth. A lot of it is Bs... because as you read Joran

tell Patrick, the most important thing is the MISINFORMATION. Mixed in what that disinfo,

are nuggets of truth, where their brains have betrayed them. That's my take on it,

anyway.

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« Reply #125 on: July 23, 2008, 10:43:09 PM »

No Wreck, if they left her there alive and someone else got her, they would make sense.  Then Joran would have made up his Joran to Patrick for drugs.

That is exactly what many in Aruba would like us to think but this is BS. 
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« Reply #126 on: July 23, 2008, 10:43:18 PM »

Then Carpe, if it was just the 3 boys involved, why would the elders let everyone else suffer???
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« Reply #127 on: July 23, 2008, 10:43:49 PM »

What if Joran and the Kalpoe brothers drugged, raped, and hurt Natalee but left her in the bushes near the Fishermens Shacks, had to go home to make things right, but intended to come back later.  Then she was gone.  They didnt know what happened to her.
If they "merely" drugged, raped, hurt her and left her in the bushes then they are 100% guilty of murder. Who cares if they don't know what happened to her afterwards???? What's your point?


After seeing how many times the boys have backtracked and lied

about what happened to Natalee... as many times as they have been

caught each and everytime in those lies.


That is getting into MAYBE MY DOG DID IT territory, for me.
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« Reply #128 on: July 23, 2008, 10:45:18 PM »

Then Carpe, if it was just the 3 boys involved, why would the elders let everyone else suffer???


I do not do the ELDERS bit.
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« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2008, 10:51:14 PM »

But Carpe and Wreck, if they did it alone, and Im sure not saying they didnt, why are they so darn important?  And important is not the word Im looking for.
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« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2008, 10:55:45 PM »

Did they go to a Rave first, or just take Natalee to the beach or to Jorans house?
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« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2008, 10:56:13 PM »

They did it, Paulus and his very tight circle of Dutch friends

with the power to help him destroy & sabotage anything that

could resemble evidence, helped him cover it up.

Once that harm to a case has been done, it has been done.

If anyone knows that, it is Paulus.
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« Reply #132 on: July 23, 2008, 11:03:35 PM »

Ill go back and read their conversation again, from your point of view.  Nite Carpe.
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« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2008, 11:04:52 PM »

Before his "I wanna be a judge training" Paulus was in charge of
government contracts.  He knew where all of the bodies were
buries so to speak.  We are not sure that he had mafia contacts
but assume that he helped with the contract for the mafia owned
casinos.  He called in his favors in a blackmail fashion.
Once the coverup started, it snowballed and there was no turning
back.....all to cover for his wothless son.
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« Reply #134 on: July 23, 2008, 11:09:34 PM »

Always 1 - here's what I think.  Joran and his friends, "the pimps", play a game of picking up tourist girls and having their way with them.  They most likely slip a drug in their drink but in their minds it's OK because they all are asking for it anyway.  This is the mindset of the Aruban male.  So Joran and whatever friends he's with end up with Natalee this time.  They do what they always do but this time either Natalee says NO and they get rough, or Natalee OD's because of the drugs they have given her.  Normally, they would just leave her on the beach but Natalee's family (Beth and Jug) showed up too quick so they lied.  When they were caught in their lies they lied again. 

I believe they couldn't let Natalee's body be found because it would show evidence of being drugged and raped.  They made the decision early on to cover it up to protect the tourist industry.  Once they decided they had to stick with it at all costs.  Paul van der Sloot may not be the richest person in Aruba but he has info on people and leverage with ALE/Judiciary and Government.
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« Reply #135 on: July 23, 2008, 11:11:29 PM »

Before his "I wanna be a judge training" Paulus was in charge of
government contracts.  He knew where all of the bodies were
buries so to speak.  We are not sure that he had mafia contacts
but assume that he helped with the contract for the mafia owned
casinos.  He called in his favors in a blackmail fashion.
Once the coverup started, it snowballed and there was no turning
back.....all to cover for his wothless son
.


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« Reply #136 on: July 23, 2008, 11:15:51 PM »

Wreck, Carpe and Klaasend.  I am just thinking out loud.  You all know the case far better than I do and I respect and admire all of you.
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« Reply #137 on: July 23, 2008, 11:16:19 PM »

Joran even is so bold as to give us insight as to

the formula of how it goes down.

Satish tells you in statements, they are doing this every weekend.


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PATRICK VAN DER EEM'S - OVERBOARD


Pages 240 - 251 from 16-01……..
 
P: Tell me exactly, ok. Carlos ‘n Charlies. You left there with her with those two or..?

J: I went there…ok, this is how it happened. I was at the casino, ok? I went and sat at the blackjacktable. Bit of blackjack, a little big money. There are a lot of girls at that table. I’m flirting with them, talk a bit with them, smooth. Then they tell me... We perfectioned this, Patrick. We made up a whole story of ‘we come from the Netherlands, also on holiday here’. We had perfectioned that playershit for those girls, you know? Because when you say: ‘I’m not a local’ then they immediately only want to f***, you know? They know, that’s how they play it: go high-roller a bit. Those bitches are going crazy there, Patrick, you know this. The will, they can’t do anything. So yeah those bitches just ask me: ‘will you go out with us tonight? Will you go to Carlos 'n Charlie's, that bar, tonight?’ And I said, ‘Yeah, that's fine’. They'd already been drinking the entire time, he?



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My friends and I lied many times that we were on holidays ourselves as well. Girls are a little suspicious about the local boys, the so-called ‘beach bums’. They believe that these boys only try to get them into bed, but if you say you’re on holiday as well, you’ve already taken that hurdle. The more often you do it, the better you know what exactly the best manner is to do it. Most of the time I did say that I had lived on Aruba when I was young and that we still had a house on the island. This immediately explained why we were so familiar with the best clubs and bars.



 
P 49

We occasionally rented a hotel room. Once, three of us guys all had sex with girls at the same time. An American girl gave me a blowjob on the balcony, Deepak was in the bathroom together with a girl, and Freddy with an American girl in the room itself. We’ve never shared a girl with all of us and never did threesomes. That’s just a step too far for me. We did once make topless photos of a girl at our hotel room.



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I am King of the Ocean, except when I am seasick because I don't like boats much.

 -Joran Van der sloot



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« Reply #138 on: July 23, 2008, 11:16:59 PM »

My thinking is that this was a fairly simple crime by the son/sons of a few prominant people on the island . The fathers called in some early "favors"- namely by Van der Stratten. The crime was about to be exposed on June 10th when the REAL power brokers on the island decided that a grizzely murder committed by "locals" would be devestating for tourism. The deception snowballed until there was no turning back. By then -- too many people would go down for corruption for covering up. They never banked on a mother like Beth or people like those at SM to be intently focused on them forever!
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« Reply #139 on: July 23, 2008, 11:17:43 PM »

Wreck, Carpe and Klaasend.  I am just thinking out loud.  You all know the case far better than I do and I respect and admire all of you.

None of us know with certainty, we can only give you our opinion on the subject.   
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