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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22 - 8/5/08  (Read 231604 times)
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« Reply #300 on: July 25, 2008, 07:28:44 PM »

Am really, really, really hoping that Mr. Peter DeVries KNOWS that such a large group of PERVERTED DUTCHMEN & DUTCHWOMEN are involved in this cover-up & the complicity of kidnapping, rape & murder.  From the Dutch wannabe's involved from the Government Offices of LieRuba, the Netherland placed Justice Officials, attorney's & parents.

Am really, really, really hoping the whole worthless rotten group of them go down here on this earth cuz I KNOW they are going down, down, down when their souls are for eternity damned.

This kind of evil, if not stopped, increases.  It really is in the best interest of any community, regardless what country to actively oppose such evil as it encourage tribal hate, which leads to horrific circumstances & is then much more difficult to contain & put to a stop.

i wouldn't exclude the possibility that there are also american expats. included in this group you're describing.
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I would have thought that the FBI would have been able to question the expats without the OK of ALE, after all they are American citizens. The ones that come to mind are the Zeollas...were you looking after Sebastian, while his mother was in the Netherlands? 

Not sure.  There may have been no need.  Paulus on video at casino...statement from ALE and Aruban escort that Paulus said he picked up Joran at 4am....wiretaps?...the initial report that two of the MB kids saw Paulus, Joran and Natalee at the ATM by McDonals at about 4am.....they may not have needed to question anyone about where Paulus was....although I am sure the expats were lined up to give a statement to the ALE...or at least approve the statement written for them to sign...or not....
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« Reply #301 on: July 25, 2008, 07:49:22 PM »

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Hey, I want to just remind everyone of some things:
1. The D_utch sent F-16s to search. Typically, a government doesn't employ the military's multi-million dollar aircraft for runaways or accident victims. They at least thought somethng bigger was going on.

2.The FBI has been present in Aruba from the beginning, assisting and monitoring--they initially went at the request of the local authorities. The FBI has battled in Court for 2 months to gain access to documents. I don't believe the FBI would expend such effort for a runaway or accident victim.

Posted by: res_ipsa_loquitor | August 14, 2005 05:55 PM


I found this on that same thread. I made a lot of sense even back then. Back to basics!

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http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2006/06/24.html

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Don't forget this article from Rick Leventhal

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html

June 15, 2005

I don't even know where to begin. This is one of the most difficult, intense, and confounding stories I've covered. Information is hard to come by, false leads, and "reportable news" from actual government officials of "confessions" and "confirmed grave sites" (identified and detailed) are quickly amended or completely retracted.

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The next day, another official spoke to one of our producers. Edward Croues, a spokesman for the minister of justice, told Craig Rivera he had "official information" that Natalee was "confirmed dead," and told Craig her father had asked police to take him to the body and to do it before the press found out where it was.

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The article has more details. Something happened there on Aruba. "detailed grave descriptions"????

People can bash Beth (and now and have been bashing Natalee, Dave, MB, BHM, AL, South, ..... etc.), but something happened, and no one is being held accountable for anything.

Posted by: Wayne | Wednesday, June 14, 2006 at 08:39 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2006/06/25.html
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« Reply #302 on: July 25, 2008, 08:02:45 PM »

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Hey, I want to just remind everyone of some things:
1. The D_utch sent F-16s to search. Typically, a government doesn't employ the military's multi-million dollar aircraft for runaways or accident victims. They at least thought somethng bigger was going on.

2.The FBI has been present in Aruba from the beginning, assisting and monitoring--they initially went at the request of the local authorities. The FBI has battled in Court for 2 months to gain access to documents. I don't believe the FBI would expend such effort for a runaway or accident victim.

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« Reply #303 on: July 25, 2008, 09:51:21 PM »

<-------------------------- Yes -------------------- Paulus is Daury.


At minimum, a part of the amalgam know as Daury. All those that enabled the suspects, and assisted them in their efforts to deny justice. Paulus and v/d Straten and Jacobs and Janssen, for starters, are ALL Daury. The list is long, and it had to be for a compulsive confessor to remain free, a confessor who feels "lucky" despite being known as the most notorious, pathetic loser on multiple continents. 
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« Reply #304 on: July 25, 2008, 10:14:39 PM »

http://www.awe24.com/

TEMPO YA A DEMOSTRA CU NOS TABATA TIN RAZON, E CALIDAD BARATA NO TA SIRBI

YA CABA UN DI E SLEEPING POLICE A KIBRA Y E BOLTS A KEDA SALI ESKI POR BIRA PELIGER PA TRAFICO


Looks like even their "sleeping police" are malfunctioning  



 
   
 

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« Reply #305 on: July 25, 2008, 10:24:24 PM »

Hey, don't laugh. That speed bump just got promoted. The ALE hierarchy is now...De Witte, speed bump, then Jacobs. And there is a no-jaywalking sign breathing down Tubby's neck. 
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« Reply #306 on: July 25, 2008, 10:27:21 PM »

Maybe why Tina the taxi driver is looking for cash on the side:


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We usually use the same taxi driver, Bully, throughout our entire trip. During our stay in Aruba he was off island on vacation with his family. He is honest, dependable and knowledgeable about the island. We have been using him for over two years now. This trip without Bully, our experiences with the 8 random taxi drivers we used, were, with the exception of 2 drivers, disgraceful to the Aruban people and very disheartening for us. In every instance but two, the drivers tried to overcharge us. With no increase in fares since 2002, paying a 12% tax and not being able to pass it on, and the high price of gas, we were faced with a large percentage of drivers with the attitude "let's screw the tourists". Not to say that there are not other honest taxi drivers, but we met 6 out of 8 who were NOT.

Loving Aruba and her people as much as we do, we were very saddened by their behavior to say the least. Having traveled to Aruba before, at least we know some of their unjustified, in my opinion, reasoning in this situation. I cannot imagine a first time visitor to the island who knows what the fares are "supposed" to be, being charged whatever fare the driver makes up. The Aruban government sets the taxi fares; they need to give these drivers a raise. Hopefully the raise in fares will once again make the drivers honest. Again, to their credit, we did have two very nice and honest drivers, one a woman on Father's Day night and another nice gentleman the night we went to the Promenade.

Our worst "taxi" incident came outside the Holiday Inn returning back to the Tamarijn from Palm Beach following our day aboard the Jolly Pirates. We walked outside of the lobby at the Holiday Inn and there were 4 taxi drivers seated on benches hanging out. Since our friends were with us we were 7 people total and needed 2 taxis anyway, so this was perfect. Dh asked them what the fare was to the Tamarijn and they eyed up one another and one of the drivers said "$10". Knowing what we were up against, before we even left the Tamarijn in the morning, dh confirmed with our favorite concierge Iris that the fair should be $8.

Dh politely but forcefully asked to see their fare sheet where it showed the fare was $10. Well don't you know all of a sudden they acted like they could even barely understand English.  Dh did not back down and again asked to see it in writing. Finally one of the drivers got up and went to his taxi to get the fare sheet. He came back with it, but then walked away from us to be by himself to eye up the chart. He then came over to us saying indeed it was $10, still not showing us the chart. Dh told all 4 drivers point blank that we would pay the $10, since obviously we had no choice, but we were also going to take the taxi's numbers and report the drivers to the Aruba Tourism Authority.

Well gosh, don't you know, all of a sudden the taxi driver who had the sheet in his hand, stumbles over to me and points to Oranjestad ($10). Yeah, right, we told them all right from the start that we were all going to the Tamarijn! They do not even come close to sounding alike and I have only been to Oranjestad twice in the past 5 years. SO, clarifying that we were going to the Tamarijn, I showed the driver it was $8. Normally we would have paid him the $8 for the fare and a $2 tip for a total of $10 anyway. Needless to say, we did not tip him and he only got his $8 so he lost out for his foolish behavior. Our friends also did not tip their driver and would have under better circumstances.

Our final taxi ride of our Aruba vacation began with Bully picking us up to take us to the Tamarijn at 12:15 p.m. He had returned home to the island the day before and called us first thing that morning to confirm our pick up.


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« Reply #307 on: July 25, 2008, 10:36:04 PM »

We will never see Gielen's doc, unless she puts it all on youtube.

Boeti best make space in his treehouse - Renee is taking a bath on this one.
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« Reply #308 on: July 25, 2008, 10:36:32 PM »

Hey, don't laugh. That speed bump just got promoted. The ALE hierarchy is now...De Witte, speed bump, then Jacobs. And there is a no-jaywalking sign breathing down Tubby's neck. 

 
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« Reply #309 on: July 25, 2008, 10:40:03 PM »

FOB2 can't help Gielen. They sunk all their money into Jorenstein's coffeehouse.  : )
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« Reply #310 on: July 25, 2008, 10:43:48 PM »

Hey, don't laugh. That speed bump just got promoted. The ALE hierarchy is now...De Witte, speed bump, then Jacobs. And there is a no-jaywalking sign breathing down Tubby's neck. 

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« Reply #311 on: July 25, 2008, 10:46:53 PM »

The Casino Picture That Looks Like Paulus Sitting Next To Natalee, Has Any Of The Other MB Kids At The Table Identify him As Paulus?
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« Reply #312 on: July 25, 2008, 10:52:18 PM »

The Casino Picture That Looks Like Paulus Sitting Next To Natalee, Has Any Of The Other MB Kids At The Table Identify him As Paulus?

Not that i know of echo. One of their FBI statements says "older man"...or something similar.
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« Reply #313 on: July 25, 2008, 10:53:12 PM »

The Casino Picture That Looks Like Paulus Sitting Next To Natalee, Has Any Of The Other MB Kids At The Table Identify him As Paulus?

I don't know.  It might be hard for them to really remember.  They may not have been paying any attention to him.
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« Reply #314 on: July 25, 2008, 10:58:23 PM »

That's Too Bad. It Sure does Look Like him!
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« Reply #315 on: July 25, 2008, 11:04:14 PM »

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Hey, I want to just remind everyone of some things:
1. The D_utch sent F-16s to search. Typically, a government doesn't employ the military's multi-million dollar aircraft for runaways or accident victims. They at least thought somethng bigger was going on.

2.The FBI has been present in Aruba from the beginning, assisting and monitoring--they initially went at the request of the local authorities. The FBI has battled in Court for 2 months to gain access to documents. I don't believe the FBI would expend such effort for a runaway or accident victim.

Posted by: res_ipsa_loquitor | August 14, 2005 05:55 PM


I found this on that same thread. I made a lot of sense even back then. Back to basics!

Posted by: ViVi | Sunday, June 11, 2006 at 08:10 PM


res_ipsa_loquitor & ViVi are the same person.  
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« Reply #316 on: July 25, 2008, 11:08:45 PM »

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Hey, I want to just remind everyone of some things:
1. The D_utch sent F-16s to search. Typically, a government doesn't employ the military's multi-million dollar aircraft for runaways or accident victims. They at least thought somethng bigger was going on.

2.The FBI has been present in Aruba from the beginning, assisting and monitoring--they initially went at the request of the local authorities. The FBI has battled in Court for 2 months to gain access to documents. I don't believe the FBI would expend such effort for a runaway or accident victim.

Posted by: res_ipsa_loquitor | August 14, 2005 05:55 PM


I found this on that same thread. I made a lot of sense even back then. Back to basics!

Posted by: ViVi | Sunday, June 11, 2006 at 08:10 PM


res_ipsa_loquitor & ViVi are the same person.  

How is ViVi these days is she still around?
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« Reply #317 on: July 25, 2008, 11:09:05 PM »

Nevermind, i see that is what vivi is saying.

Anyway - The release of Joran's 5/31 statement was interesting. Joran, Paulus, Straten and Jacobs all sitting around witnessing sporty blow story #1. Then they wait 10 days before asking why. Unbelievable.
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« Reply #318 on: July 25, 2008, 11:12:49 PM »

How is ViVi these days is she still around?

Not posting much at all. She is defending somebody in that Texas cult case. Has been on Nancy Grace a few times. Funny.
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« Reply #319 on: July 25, 2008, 11:14:15 PM »

How is ViVi these days is she still around?

Not posting much at all. She is defending somebody in that Texas cult case. Has been on Nancy Grace a few times. Funny.

Still?  I thought it was over, lol 
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