Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22 - 8/5/08

[carpe noctem]

Welcome back Rob.

I agree with what you said except the Sloots and US.  Val will be going to school in Boston (or maybe the Netherlands' branch). It was unclear.  I am sure the family will accompany him to school and assist in the settling.   

Sloots will be dead in 1 day if they come to the US.

Give me a break!!!

I don't give them even 1 full day. Forget it!

[always 1]

Wreck

[always 1]

Bad Girl - NO SHOES- NO SHIRT- NO SERVICE!!

[always 1]

Ok, this old, but I dont know if you have seen it.  http://judicial-inc.biz/j-o_ran_aruba_crime.htm    if that doesnt work, go to aruba.crime in Yahoo and go down to the article aruba crime syndicates.

[texasmom]

This article showed up in a google search I did yesterday for something totally unrelated, it caught my eye.  It is a lengthy article, so I snipped it...those that are interested can follow the link to read the rest. 


Adam C. Hochfelder, left, is trying to buy the Peaks Resort. Michael Belfonti worked with him on the Westin Aruba Resort.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/realestate/commercial/09hotel.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

April 9, 2008
At Age 17, Ski Resort Has a Troubled Past (and Present)
By PATRICK O'GILFOIL HEALY and TERRY PRISTIN
Correction Appended

TELLURIDE, Colo. — Ever since it sprouted in the San Juan Mountains of southwestern Colorado 17 years ago, the Peaks Resort has loomed large over this tiny ski town. With about 170 rooms, the Peaks is the region’s largest hotel, a major employer and a crucial asset in luring the conventions and wealthy tourists who fuel the economy.

But behind its sunset-colored facade is a tangled tale of the hotel that couldn’t shoot straight. It has been bombarded by lawsuits and has stymied owner after owner in their struggles to turn a profit in Telluride’s seasonal economy.

The Blackstone Group, the once high-and-mighty private equity company that has watched its profits decline because of the credit squeeze, acquired the Peaks when it bought Wyndham Properties in 2005 and has tried to sell it for about $45 million. But since the hotel went on the market last June, two potential buyers, including Fairmont Hotels and Resorts, have signed contracts only to walk away without closing the deal.

In recent months, the once-hot investment market for luxury hotels has evaporated. Not a single top-tier hotel traded during the last quarter, said Patrick Ford, the president of Lodging Econometrics, a research company in Portsmouth, N.H. Hotel prices have declined about 15 percent since the summer.

Last month, Blackstone entered into yet another contract, with a team led by Adam C. Hochfelder, a New York real estate investor, now 36, who made a big splash at a tender age as an owner and manager of a large portfolio of Midtown Manhattan office towers, including the Helmsley Building, which straddles Park Avenue. But Mr. Hochfelder’s track record is as problem-plagued as the Peaks is.

Beginning in 2004, Mr. Hochfelder’s reputation began to plummet, as he defaulted on millions of dollars worth of loans and became mired in litigation with business associates and relatives. The Manhattan district attorney’s office began an investigation into his borrowing practices that is still active, a spokeswoman, Barbara Thompson, said last week.

Despite these setbacks and more recent difficulties, Mr. Hochfelder has continued to try to stake out a role as a major real estate player.

In 2006, Michael Belfonti of Hamden, Conn., bought a hotel now known as the Westin Aruba Resort and brought in Mr. Hochfelder as a noncontrolling minority partner. The hotel failed when the new owners tried to keep it open while doing a complete renovation. Last year, the owners defaulted on their loans, putting the mezzanine lender, Petra Capital Management, in control of the 478-room hotel, according to court documents.
Mr. Hochfelder, who is described even by people who are no longer speaking to him as a bright and engaging man with a winning smile, has been distributing a flier for his new company, HP Hotel Partners, that is made up of photographs of “selected projects” that include the Westin Aruba Resort and other properties that he no longer owns or never did
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[klaasend]

Ok, this old, but I dont know if you have seen it.  http://judicial-inc.biz/j-o_ran_aruba_crime.htm    if that doesnt work, go to aruba.crime in Yahoo and go down to the article aruba crime syndicates.

The link doesn't work but that's just as well.  That particular website, although it does have some good photos and some good information, also has alot of bad information.  ALSO, it is a a very antisemitic website overall so I don't normally allow direct links to the site anyway.

[wreck]

Ok, this old, but I dont know if you have seen it.  http://judicial-inc.biz/j-o_ran_aruba_crime.htm    if that doesnt work, go to aruba.crime in Yahoo and go down to the article aruba crime syndicates.

http://judicial-inc.biz/  j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm

Edited to break up the direct link

[always 1]

Really, Klaasend, I didnt know that.  It doesnt have a titile at the top of it, just the information.  So sorry.

[wreck]

Ok, this old, but I dont know if you have seen it.  http://judicial-inc.biz/j-o_ran_aruba_crime.htm    if that doesnt work, go to aruba.crime in Yahoo and go down to the article aruba crime syndicates.

The link doesn't work but that's just as well.  That particular website, although it does have some good photos and some good information, also has alot of bad information.  ALSO, it is a a very antisemitic website overall so I don't normally allow direct links to the site anyway.

Please eradicate my link, please!

[always 1]

Sorry Wreck!!!!!

[wreck]

Sorry Wreck!!!!!

No problem -- I didn't even read it (though I vaguley remember seeing it before)

[Buckeye]

I know it's just the camera angle on that picture but at first, I thought that Hochfelder guy was a ventriloquist and the Belfonti guy his "dummy"
Shees...good thing jack and WOW aren't around.   

[Pita]

This article showed up in a google search I did yesterday for something totally unrelated, it caught my eye.  It is a lengthy article, so I snipped it...those that are interested can follow the link to read the rest. 


Adam C. Hochfelder, left, is trying to buy the Peaks Resort. Michael Belfonti worked with him on the Westin Aruba Resort.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/realestate/commercial/09hotel.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

April 9, 2008
At Age 17, Ski Resort Has a Troubled Past (and Present)
By PATRICK O'GILFOIL HEALY and TERRY PRISTIN
Correction Appended

TELLURIDE, Colo. — Ever since it sprouted in the San Juan Mountains of southwestern Colorado 17 years ago, the Peaks Resort has loomed large over this tiny ski town. With about 170 rooms, the Peaks is the region’s largest hotel, a major employer and a crucial asset in luring the conventions and wealthy tourists who fuel the economy.

But behind its sunset-colored facade is a tangled tale of the hotel that couldn’t shoot straight. It has been bombarded by lawsuits and has stymied owner after owner in their struggles to turn a profit in Telluride’s seasonal economy.

The Blackstone Group, the once high-and-mighty private equity company that has watched its profits decline because of the credit squeeze, acquired the Peaks when it bought Wyndham Properties in 2005 and has tried to sell it for about $45 million. But since the hotel went on the market last June, two potential buyers, including Fairmont Hotels and Resorts, have signed contracts only to walk away without closing the deal.

In recent months, the once-hot investment market for luxury hotels has evaporated. Not a single top-tier hotel traded during the last quarter, said Patrick Ford, the president of Lodging Econometrics, a research company in Portsmouth, N.H. Hotel prices have declined about 15 percent since the summer.

Last month, Blackstone entered into yet another contract, with a team led by Adam C. Hochfelder, a New York real estate investor, now 36, who made a big splash at a tender age as an owner and manager of a large portfolio of Midtown Manhattan office towers, including the Helmsley Building, which straddles Park Avenue. But Mr. Hochfelder’s track record is as problem-plagued as the Peaks is.

Beginning in 2004, Mr. Hochfelder’s reputation began to plummet, as he defaulted on millions of dollars worth of loans and became mired in litigation with business associates and relatives. The Manhattan district attorney’s office began an investigation into his borrowing practices that is still active, a spokeswoman, Barbara Thompson, said last week.

Despite these setbacks and more recent difficulties, Mr. Hochfelder has continued to try to stake out a role as a major real estate player.

In 2006, Michael Belfonti of Hamden, Conn., bought a hotel now known as the Westin Aruba Resort and brought in Mr. Hochfelder as a noncontrolling minority partner. The hotel failed when the new owners tried to keep it open while doing a complete renovation. Last year, the owners defaulted on their loans, putting the mezzanine lender, Petra Capital Management, in control of the 478-room hotel, according to court documents.
Mr. Hochfelder, who is described even by people who are no longer speaking to him as a bright and engaging man with a winning smile, has been distributing a flier for his new company, HP Hotel Partners, that is made up of photographs of “selected projects” that include the Westin Aruba Resort and other properties that he no longer owns or never did
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WESTIN ARUBA HOTEL MANAGEMENT LLC 
 
Business address J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 77, NOORD 
Legal form  FOREIGN FORMED CORPORATION 
Name of the WESTIN ARUBA HOTEL MANAGEMENT LLC 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  U.S.A. 
Date of 24 MAY 2006 
incorporation/commencement:
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
CARLO, ANTONIO AMADEO DIOMEDES AMANO; 
Residing in  CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 26 JULY 1957 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  13 MARCH 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   
 
Established at   
Position  PROXY 
Since  13 MARCH 2008 
Authority  FULL 

[klaasend]

I know it's just the camera angle on that picture but at first, I thought that Hochfelder guy was a ventriloquist and the Belfonti guy his "dummy"
Shees...good thing jack and WOW aren't around.   

roflmao 

[klaasend]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44969.php

Former Minister Plenipotentiary for Aruba Wever died
28 Jul, 2008, 17:52 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD/AMSTERDAM – The former Minister Plenipotentiary for Aruba in the United States, Roy Wever died unexpectedly on Sunday at the age of 58.

Up until this time, Wever had been head of the Legal Affairs department of the Aruba house in the Netherlands. The funeral ceremony will be held coming Wednesday in The Hague, after which his remains will be flown over to Aruba to be buried. Apart from having been the Minister Plenipotentiary for Aruba in the United States, Wever was also Advisor for Crime and Terrorism Prevention, Representative for Aruba in the Financial Action Task Force and Managing Director of CB-JAZ.

 

[wreck]

I saw this today -remind you of anyone?

Here is a list of ways to identify a sociopath. This list is from "Profile of a Sociopath". Is is a pretty good list of sociopathic indicators.


Glibness/Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
Grandiose Sense of Self
Pathological Lying
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
Shallow Emotions
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Narcissism, grandiosity (self-importance not based on achievments)
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

[LoRain]

joran's brother  hunting in the Party Bus

Looks like that photo is taken at someone's home.  I'll see if I can figure out what it is from.  It is fairly recent though, within the last 6 months I'd guess.

Kinda looks like a bar/restaurant to me just by the way the wine glasses are suspended in the background along the ceiling.

OK...call me blind or whatever but....is this blonde in this pic a guy or a girl?....(don't laugh too hard)...

[LoRain]

I think I see the earrings now....YIKES...I think it's a girl....

[Quisp]

Has this been discussd? Here is a long article explaining how Aruba was bought by the mafia.

http://www.frankcass.com/jnls/toc.htm

..a snippet..."The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied."

Quisp, when I click on your link above, it's redirecting me to : http://www.routledgestrategicstudies.com/

I'm getting lost.

The topic, however, has been discussed, but another link was used...I have it somewhere, just not handy right now.

sorry..try this one http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

[2NJSons_Mom]

Has this been discussd? Here is a long article explaining how Aruba was bought by the mafia.

http://www.frankcass.com/jnls/toc.htm

..a snippet..."The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied."

Quisp, when I click on your link above, it's redirecting me to : http://www.routledgestrategicstudies.com/

I'm getting lost.

The topic, however, has been discussed, but another link was used...I have it somewhere, just not handy right now.

sorry..try this one http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

Thanks, Quisp...and yes, this is the same information posted here long ago & referenced by many SM members.