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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Additional proof could be the desperate attempt to change time, to push back the arrival of the Family Group to an earlier time. It would be necessary to do this if there were proof of the 2:45 am call to SK.
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Quote from: Slogger on July 23, 2008, 12:43:10 PM
Additional proof could be the desperate attempt to change time, to push back the arrival of the Family Group to an earlier time. It would be necessary to do this if there were proof of the 2:45 am call to SK.
I can understand doing this when you are crunched for time and in a "panic" but they must have seen how foolish it was later... but that's what lies do to you, they create a need for more and more until one is buried in them.
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Yes, I think they did panic; but, were able to cover up, later.
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"My brother had told me that the father of Joran had told Joran that the police had come to their house. " (SK)
The father had told Joran. He must have been talking in his sleep. When PvdS came into view, it's reported that he had a phone with him.
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"The officers sount their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.
He has his cell phone in his hand
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LOVING NATALEE
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Quote from: Blonde on July 23, 2008, 01:17:48 AM
Quote from: SS on July 22, 2008, 11:40:41 PM
I have a question and I don't even know if anyone would know the answer. Suppose that ALE did recover Natalee's body that day at the rocks. Where is it? They couldn't keep her all of this time in a coroner's drawer and they obvioulsy didn't return her to Beth and Dave. Is there a pauper's cemetery or a Potter's Field in Aruba where ALE could bury someone and it wouldn't be noticed? I have to think that ALE would be involving a minimal number of people in this coverup because they wouldn't want anyone to talk. If it wasn't a Potter's Field, it would have to be in someone else's plot or a cremation. Just a few more thoughts.
1. J: Yes, that’s what I mean. So yeah, I got her and put her a bit near those mangroves. 11And I told him: ‘I’m sitting here. You have to come over here.’ And he lives alone, he! He does not like that shit. Sometimes he has a bitch. He fucks them, but he lives alone.near those
2. MARRIOTT BASIN tHE BODY IN THE BAG FRESH DEAD GIRL SECOND MOVE EARLY HOURS they were being followed by camera man JMO Aruba Bay Video 24
3.Tim Miller
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July 24, 2005
RED: There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran early in the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues
TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved. We have information that the cell phones were possibly being used in that area
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/interview-transcript-with-tim-miller-july-24th-2005/
4.or5 Art Wood interviewed a "Fransisco" twice as he was adamant that he helped bury Natalee with two others using a white PU. One of his friends worked at the Marriott and as you know there are other witnesses who say they saw Natalee placed in a tarp in a white pu at the Marriott. There is also that Fisherman that tells a very similar story and the details match up with Junior and what he saw a day later at the dump. The Fisherman mentioned something about only getting to that location in a ATV.
As you know this Fransisco was locked up almost immediately in a mental hospital after telling the ALE what he did,when Art Interviewed this man his friends said he was not crazy. Looking at all the witnesses this is the only Fransisco I see and a June 10th interview is interesting to say the least.
4 or5 Name: Elgen Fransisco Kock
Date: 10 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Fleur Tromp
Description: witness statement
Thursday, the GPR team scanned an area in the Arikok National Park where a shallow grave and duct tape with blonde hair were found. I picked up the first dog team at the airport and took them to the hotel. A new witness came forward who said he saw a female being dumped in the Aruba landfill two days after Natalee disappeared. Kevin went to the landfill and listened to what the witness had to say. The information was credible enough for us to search the landfill tomorrow. I appeared on MSNBC's ABRAMS REPORT tonight. They asked me questions about the GPR and Natalee's search.
I also explained Rachel's disappearance
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Suppose that ALE did recover Natalee's body that day at the rocks. Where is it? They couldn't keep her all of this time in a coroner's drawer
Yes, on a metal table with something white on her like a sheet
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Who's Rachel?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Rachel Cooke maybe?
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/10/michael-keith-moore-has-been-charged-with-the-murder-of-raclel-cooke/
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Quote from: Blonde on July 23, 2008, 01:17:48 AM
4.or5 Art Wood interviewed a "Fransisco" twice as he was adamant that he helped bury Natalee with two others using a white PU. One of his friends worked at the Marriott and as you know there are other witnesses who say they saw Natalee placed in a tarp in a white pu at the Marriott. There is also that Fisherman that tells a very similar story and the details match up with Junior and what he saw a day later at the dump. The Fisherman mentioned something about only getting to that location in a ATV.
As you know this Fransisco was locked up almost immediately in a mental hospital after telling the ALE what he did,when Art Interviewed this man his friends said he was not crazy. Looking at all the witnesses this is the only Fransisco I see and a June 10th interview is interesting to say the least.
4 or5 Name: Elgen Fransisco Kock
Date: 10 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Fleur Tromp
Description: witness statement
Hello Blonde,
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I believe you may have the wrong "Fransisco" listed here. The one you have listed was associated with VCS Carribean N.V. which is a security company.
The one I think you are referring to is Francisco Remigio Thiel who is listed as a fisherman and shows up on Grande's spreadsheet twice. Once on June 5th, 2005 where he was interviewed on the same day as the two security guards. As a matter of fact, he was interviewed in between the times the two SG's were interviewed.
Mickey John at 10:30 interviewed by Clyde Burke
Abraham Jones at 10:55 interviewed by Clyde Burke
Francisco Remigio Thiel at 13:55 interviewed by Clyde Burke / Johny Erasmus
Abraham Jones again at 15:45 interviewed by Clyde Burke
I find that a little odd, but...
He shows up on the spreadsheet a second time on June 8th and was interviewed by Dennis Jacobs and Juan Enrique Boezem. I do not see a specific time for this interview. The spreadsheet shows
"indication of an area"
as the association of this interview.
I think the "fisherman" and Francisco Remigio Thiel are one and the same. I don't think there were two different people making that claim.
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YES
www.rachelcookesearch.org/arubasearch.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on July 23, 2008, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: Blonde on July 23, 2008, 01:17:48 AM
4.or5 Art Wood interviewed a "Fransisco" twice as he was adamant that he helped bury Natalee with two others using a white PU. One of his friends worked at the Marriott and as you know there are other witnesses who say they saw Natalee placed in a tarp in a white pu at the Marriott. There is also that Fisherman that tells a very similar story and the details match up with Junior and what he saw a day later at the dump. The Fisherman mentioned something about only getting to that location in a ATV.
As you know this Fransisco was locked up almost immediately in a mental hospital after telling the ALE what he did,when Art Interviewed this man his friends said he was not crazy. Looking at all the witnesses this is the only Fransisco I see and a June 10th interview is interesting to say the least.
4 or5 Name: Elgen Fransisco Kock
Date: 10 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Fleur Tromp
Description: witness statement
Hello Blonde,
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I believe you may have the wrong "Fransisco" listed here. The one you have listed was associated with VCS Carribean N.V. which is a security company.
The one I think you are referring to is Francisco Remigio Thiel who is listed as a fisherman and shows up on Grande's spreadsheet twice. Once on June 5th, 2005 where he was interviewed on the same day as the two security guards. As a matter of fact, he was interviewed in between the times the two SG's were interviewed.
Mickey John at 10:30 interviewed by Clyde Burke
Abraham Jones at 10:55 interviewed by Clyde Burke
Francisco Remigio Thiel at 13:55 interviewed by Clyde Burke / Johny Erasmus
Abraham Jones again at 15:45 interviewed by Clyde Burke
I find that a little odd, but...
He shows up on the spreadsheet a second time on June 8th and was interviewed by Dennis Jacobs and Juan Enrique Boezem. I do not see a specific time for this interview. The spreadsheet shows
"indication of an area"
as the association of this interview.
I think the "fisherman" and Francisco Remigio Thiel are one and the same. I don't think there were two different people making that claim.
Sorry I may ,I'm looking in my notes now
I have it saved in my notes
just like that with no link
Name: Francisco Remigio Thiel
Date: 05 June 2005 / 13:55
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Clyde Burke & Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement by a fisherman
Name: Elgen Fransisco Kock
Date: 10 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Fleur Tromp
Description: witness statement
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Quote from: carpe noctem on July 23, 2008, 03:32:08 AM
If this lucky little girl right here...
...did not have as strong character traits as she did,
ALL OF IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY SWEPT UNDER THE ARUBA RUG...
If she didn't have so many friends that loved her dearly...
If she didn't have a family that loved her to bits & would stop at nothing for answers...
We would have never heard another word about it.
ARUBA is a nightmare.
you are exactly right, sir. that's why aruba supporters are working so hard to stain natalee and her family's name. it's an exercise in futility, but their "blame the victim" strategy is the only thing they have. eventually the truth will win.
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OT just one more example that illustrates many in Aruba don't know right from wrong. Is this so cool you want to put it on youtube for all the world to see the cruel and seedy side? Next we will see the brothels on you tube......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TFYGF-vNIQ
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Quote from: bleachedblack on July 23, 2008, 03:07:35 PM
OT just one more example that illustrates many in Aruba don't know right from wrong. Is this so cool you want to put it on youtube for all the world to see the cruel and seedy side? Next we will see the brothels on you tube......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TFYGF-vNIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHLYM4HLdE
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Quote from: bleachedblack on July 23, 2008, 03:09:30 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on July 23, 2008, 03:07:35 PM
OT just one more example that illustrates many in Aruba don't know right from wrong. Is this so cool you want to put it on youtube for all the world to see the cruel and seedy side? Next we will see the brothels on you tube......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TFYGF-vNIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHLYM4HLdE
Disgusting place.
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More that you won't see in the AHATA videos from Aruba:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9vFggJU3kE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KGW3UUE6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGG4Lv_eG7w
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Quote from: wreck on July 23, 2008, 12:24:46 AM
Quote from: always 1 on July 23, 2008, 12:20:42 AM
The 10th, is that when they found her in the rocks?
I believe so. It was when they announced to the world that one of the boys confessed and was leading them to the body.
That's also when Beth said she "buried Natalee in her heart"....
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AMIGOE NEWS:
ARUBA
Nelson Oduber of Aruba says EVERYTHING IS
JUST GOING FINE IN ARUBA. Other people say cover-up?
http://tinyurl.com/5srm9n
Are you insured in Aruba?
http://tinyurl.com/5a35yz
OM of Aruba jails people for not paying fines.
Rape and murder is still okay, though.
http://tinyurl.com/64tej2
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Mother Joran: Our live goes on
ORANJESTAD - The parents of Joran van der Sloot want to pick up the thread again. It says the mother, Anita van der Sloot, We try life as good and as evil as it comes just as possible to tackle. We have more children, you know''
Anita van der Sloot looks excited. When pruning in the garden to retrieve them from the media that last week ample attention to the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries.
They told their son under the eye of hidden cameras in almost three years ago with the missing American girl Natalee Holloway on the beach in Aruba would have happened.
,, The media distort the facts and only one side of the story ever told. It is better not too much to say. Everything is still against our intentions explained,''says the mother of Joran.
Anita van der Sloot described the broadcast of De Vries in which her son told his father that an illegal mobile phone smuggled into the cell had, as "terrible." She regrets that she, her husband and Joran in the talk of Pauw and Witteman had taken their seats. ,, That was very stupid. That we should not do.''
After the broadcast Joran threw a glass of red wine in the face of Peter R. de Vries. Images of this came soon outwards.
'Bon gang'
It is a house that anyone on the Aruban island is content to have. The cheerful yellow-blue-red of the walls of Montanja 19 is under the burning hot tropical Sunday no sorrow, as it seems.
In the cosy quarter-messy lives Van der Sloot's family for almost 20 years. Among locals, other Dutch and Americans. None patserige enclave full of expats. No, the family is properly known as socially involved. They learned the native language: Papiamento, participates in everything. Joran brother was even be admired by an exuberant carnival. ,, Life goes on.''
The 'confession' of Joran van der Sloot in crime reporter Peter R. de Vries about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the subsequent questioning by police last Friday appears to have had little effect on the reputation of the family.
The parents of Joran his' gang bon "(good people) says L. da Silva for a Chinese-run supermarket. The men around him lurks in the local 'Balashi' and nodding assent.
,, Here in Aruba the people know the story of course, already much longer and better than in the Netherlands.''Friendly Anita van der Sloot is still on this Sunday afternoon convinced them that the people in any case nothing bad.
,, In the Netherlands, the story only
much later a real role to play
and that gives a distorted picture.''Perhaps they would still turn out to explain it all. ,, But so far we even say nothing because everything unilaterally by the media is told.''
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===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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