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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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July 25, 2008, 12:39:00 PM »
Quote from: texasmom on July 25, 2008, 11:38:43 AM
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There are several people in the equation to consider besides the three boys and the father. There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping hints. Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Commissioner Gerald Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos'n Charlie's. The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two. As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity. The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women. I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He had referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.
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We talked a lot about the gym bag and Joran not playing tennis and who he did or did not play with, and him walking to the beach to look for his shoes and on and on. Did we ever pursue what Paulus was doing during this time that Joran says he wanted to be on camera in the casino? He says he dropped his son off at the Racquet Club and then......................................What? Nothing until the Twittys show up?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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July 25, 2008, 12:42:09 PM »
As I finished posting about Paulus's whereabouts, I realize that this case was so solveable back then. Cell and home phone records of Paulus, e-mails, following up with those he and Joran spoke to. Along with grabbing the Kalpoe car and the clothes of J2K in the first 24 hours, you'd definitely have a case. No need for secret police car tapes and all that. Makes me so mad.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: Slogger on July 25, 2008, 12:23:53 PM
Boat, or no boat, they were most likely on burial detail the night the family arrived.
In Deepaks car, IIRC before the carpet and other stuff was replaced at the shop.
Wonder what they would have found if they'd checked that car when the MB group/ALE arrived early in the morning?
Maybe she left a note or something behind?
Also, if she was in the car, the body would have been stored somewhere before disposal. I wonder why PVDS didn't allow a search of the grounds?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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A current theory is:
That it was an uncomplicated crime of kidnap, rape, which became more complicated in the coverup.
On the night of Monday, May 30th, there was a meeting around the pool to inform of the plan. Simple plan: deny, (if that doesn't work) then use the HI story.
During the meeting, the group was tipped off that the family was on their way. The burial detail took Natalee out to the dunes. [4 sweaty boys and a shovel]
They couldn't (safely) bury her prior to the evening/night of Mon/Tues because of rigor and daylight.
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If the sighting of the 4 boys with a shovel corresponds with the location of the cop putting something in the trunk (seen by Dave) then, (mo) the theory is more workable.
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I think that ALE didn't know initially that Joran and one or more others had actually done harm. No doubt Joran lied about it to them also. As the truth started to unfold --injuries to Natalee, blood in the Kalpoe car, bruises or other physical evidence of a struggle on J2K, the gardener who saw them near the pond -- van der Straaten and Jacobs realized they'd have to disappear Natalee and say there was no evidence of a crime. I do think that as Paulus advised Joran of what ALE, the FBI or P.I's were finding, the story had to keep changing to take that evidence into account. Which is another reason for so many stories, slightly altered as circumstances dictated. I used to get a little emotional, if you will, when I saw repeated posts of THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE. To those who still say that, I say bulldoodie. There's plenty of evidence; we just don't know what they did with it. Maybe it was burned, maybe it's in the trunk of someone's car or a storage locker, kept for leverage when needed later. If the media hadn't been there to see what was happening, the cries of a coverup would have fallen on deaf ears.
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O/T
For those following the Caylee Anthony case, there's a new 9-1-1 (the third) tape being released. Coming up on Fox. They've played the first portion.
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Quote from: Slogger on July 25, 2008, 01:05:15 PM
If the sighting of the 4 boys with a shovel corresponds with the location of the cop putting something in the trunk (seen by Dave) then, (mo) the theory is more workable.
In the same early report where van der Straaten tells a Dutch reporter that he believes Natalee is dead because "I know mo:re about the case than you [the reporter] do" (or something to that effect), one or more Aruban detectives told that Dutch reporter that they thought it was a rape gone bad at the Lighthouse. That's why I don't discount the Kalpoes sticking with their story of going to the Lighthouse, even though we have Joran saying they went to his house at 1:40 a.m. Could be Joran didn't want anyone looking at the area of he Lighthouse. In fact, the family was discouraged from searching around the Lighthouse -- bad for tourism.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: crazybabyborg on July 25, 2008, 01:18:06 PM
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For those following the Caylee Anthony case, there's a new 9-1-1 (the third) tape being released. Coming up on Fox. They've played the first portion.
Thanks, I was just going to log off and eat lunch. I'll turn the tube on.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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July 25, 2008, 01:32:48 PM »
Quote from: Slogger on July 25, 2008, 12:54:38 PM
A current theory is:
That it was an uncomplicated crime of kidnap, rape, which became more complicated in the coverup.
On the night of Monday, May 30th, there was a meeting around the pool to inform of the plan. Simple plan: deny, (if that doesn't work) then use the HI story.
During the meeting, the group was tipped off that the family was on their way. The burial detail took Natalee out to the dunes. [4 sweaty boys and a shovel]
They couldn't (safely) bury her prior to the evening/night of Mon/Tues because of rigor and daylight.
An old theory that has resurfaced. Simple is usually the way it is, until people start lying. Back to Occam's Razor... "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" or "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Puma, I agree that there is evidence and there would truthful tidbits.
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"Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at
eight o'clock
sharp. One of the first things I notice is
Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back.
"
Tuesday morning, they had DK's car; by Wednesday night they had changed Beth's statement.
I don't think the gardner made a statement until the middle of July. The gardner statement we have refers to an earlier one that I didn't see.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: LilPuma on July 25, 2008, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: Slogger on July 25, 2008, 01:05:15 PM
If the sighting of the 4 boys with a shovel corresponds with the location of the cop putting something in the trunk (seen by Dave) then, (mo) the theory is more workable.
In the same early report where van der Straaten tells a Dutch reporter that he believes Natalee is dead because "I know mo:re about the case than you [the reporter] do" (or something to that effect), one or more Aruban detectives told that Dutch reporter that they thought it was a rape gone bad at the Lighthouse. That's why I don't discount the Kalpoes sticking with their story of going to the Lighthouse, even though we have Joran saying they went to his house at 1:40 a.m. Could be Joran didn't want anyone looking at the area of he Lighthouse. In fact, the family was discouraged from searching around the Lighthouse -- bad for tourism.
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". . .Joran resumes his story. He says he and Natalee were in the backseat of Deepak's car and that she asked to go see the sharks. He says he told her that they don't have sharks here, but she insisted. So he says
they took her to the lighthouse
, . . ."
The above was while the Family Group was in front of the Sloots during the early morning hours of Tues., May 31st--only a short time after the Family Group arrived on the island.
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Has anyone heard anymore of the supposed "new" confession on tape of Joran??
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The Honda, seen at Bubali on Tues. morning, makes me wonder where DK was. Satish thinks DK got home around 6 am.
A little while later, Beth is outside and Jan makes her go back into the police station.
Jan didn't want Beth to see someone, or something? Was it only the car, or was there more to it?
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Quote from: wreck on July 25, 2008, 02:08:23 PM
Has anyone heard anymore of the supposed "new" confession on tape of Joran??
You mean the one that Bondia spoke of yesterday or the day before? NO..haven't heard anything else about it. Hopefully if true there will be something in the Dutch papers about it.
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Quote from: WhiskeyGirl on July 25, 2008, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: Slogger on July 25, 2008, 12:23:53 PM
Boat, or no boat, they were most likely on burial detail the night the family arrived.
In Deepaks car, IIRC before the carpet and other stuff was replaced at the shop.
Wonder what they would have found if they'd checked that car when the MB group/ALE arrived early in the morning?
Maybe she left a note or something behind?
Also, if she was in the car, the body would have been stored somewhere before disposal. I wonder why PVDS didn't allow a search of the grounds?
IMO, Natalee didn't have much time or many resources. It's said she had the keycard, $50, and an ID/driver's license. Looks like she had earrings, the blue bracelet, and another bracelet; but, I couldn't see a watch.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: always 1 on July 24, 2008, 08:31:09 PM
Wreck - I still cant get that link to work if you have time will you do this for me - go to Webshots - click on good times - type in abscompton and then go down to crystal and danille at Carlos and Charlies ----Thanks so much.
Is this what you are looking for? (you were missing the "s" in webshots.com)
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435318429072055610iqNtJz
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/365649721ZfllRc
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1365662025072055610uWVhVD
This one is very interesting
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435321057072055610iqzPDU
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: kkate on July 25, 2008, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: wreck on July 24, 2008, 08:41:32 PM
Quote from: always 1 on July 24, 2008, 08:31:09 PM
Wreck - I still cant get that link to work if you have time will you do this for me - go to Webshots - click on good times - type in abscompton and then go down to crystal and danille at Carlos and Charlies ----Thanks so much.
Is this what you are looking for? (you were missing the "s" in webshots.com)
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435318429072055610iqNtJz
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/365649721ZfllRc
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1365662025072055610uWVhVD
This one is very interesting
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435321057072055610iqzPDU
Yes, that photo has been viewed and posted here several times. GVC - center, Cheremy & Steve Croes on the right, if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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July 25, 2008, 03:35:32 PM »
Quote from: kkate on July 25, 2008, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: wreck on July 24, 2008, 08:41:32 PM
Quote from: always 1 on July 24, 2008, 08:31:09 PM
Wreck - I still cant get that link to work if you have time will you do this for me - go to Webshots - click on good times - type in abscompton and then go down to crystal and danille at Carlos and Charlies ----Thanks so much.
Is this what you are looking for? (you were missing the "s" in webshots.com)
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435318429072055610iqNtJz
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/365649721ZfllRc
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1365662025072055610uWVhVD
This one is very interesting
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435321057072055610iqzPDU
As I Look Through The Photo's And See They're in C&C...I Can't Help But Think Of How Lucky They were Not To Have Left With j2k.....I Wish Natalee Never Had.
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Am really, really, really hoping that Mr. Peter DeVries KNOWS that such a large group of PERVERTED DUTCHMEN & DUTCHWOMEN are involved in this cover-up & the complicity of kidnapping, rape & murder. From the Dutch wannabe's involved from the Government Offices of LieRuba, the Netherland placed Justice Officials, attorney's & parents.
Am really, really, really hoping the whole worthless rotten group of them go down here on this earth cuz I KNOW they are going down, down, down when their souls are for eternity damned.
This kind of evil, if not stopped, increases. It really is in the best interest of any community, regardless what country to actively oppose such evil as it encourage tribal hate, which leads to horrific circumstances & is then much more difficult to contain & put to a stop.
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