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« Reply #400 on: July 27, 2008, 10:28:40 AM »

I don't understand all these traffic deaths on Aruba.  It's only about 18 miles to drive around and even given the crowded conditions there and the numerous streets and alleys and by-roads, why does someone have to die there almost everyday?  Do people get in their cars and just put the pedal to the metal and never even look around until they get to their destination?  What do they do?  How can they afford to drive like total idiots down there risking every person's life that dares to operate a vehicle?  Seems to me they need some speed limit enforcement.  If you are driving less than 35 miles an hour, how hard it is to stop at an intersection?  The MEP needs to act like a governing body and actually govern.  What are the speed limits in Aruba, anyway?  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #401 on: July 27, 2008, 10:51:06 AM »

OT - 4 swimmers dead, 3 missing in N.Y. ocean waters

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« Reply #402 on: July 27, 2008, 11:14:42 AM »

Geez, yet another traffic fatality in Aruba:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5583/8/

Otro morto den trafico diadomingo mainta
       
Sunday, 27 July 2008 - 06:40 
Diadomingo ta habri scur pa motibo di un otro accidente cu consequencia fatal. Ta trata aki di e 4 morto den trafico den apenas un siman. E accidente aki a sosode na e cruzada di Juliana Straat/Irene Straat algo promer cu 5 or di mainta. E persona cu a fayece ta di inicial S.F naci na 1981. E persona ta biba na Caya Butishi 109. Ta trata aki di un station wagen corra Ford Escortc u a accidente cu un Chevrolet Celta. E dama tabata ocupante di un di e autonan. Ambos chauffeur di e autonan envolvi a wordo deteni pa sospecho di ta bow influencia di alcohol. Despues di a hibanan warda di polis pa e test a sali na cla cu un berdad nan ta riba e nivel legal. CLICK READ MORE PA E IMAGENAN!

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  Wel si, condolencia nan a efamiliaresnan di esun cu a fallece. Mirando con e autonan a keda, mi ta casi sigur cu VELOCIDAD tambe a hunga un rol den e accident aki! Ta parce cu nos mester cambia e dicho ariba nos numbernan di auto: enbes di One Happy Island pa "One Speedy Island" Shonnan ban poko poko y core normal y segun reglanan di trafico. Aruba ta asina chikito! Corda cu trafico ta concerni tur hende cu ta mobilisa ariba caminda. Ban suave! pa no lamenta despues y sigur pa no costa bida di hendenan inocente. 

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another dead in trafico diadomingo morning

 sunday, 27 july 2008 - 06:40

 diadomingo is open dark for motibo of one another accidente cu consequencia fateful. is deal here of the 4 dead in trafico in barely one week. the accidente here owing to sosode at the cruzada of juliana straat/irene straat algo before 5 or of morning. the person cu owing to fayece is of inicial s.f naci at 1981. the person live at caya butishi 109. is deal here of one station wagen corra ford escortc u owing to accidente cu one chevrolet celta. the lady was ocupante of one of the autonan. both chauffeur of the autonan envolvi owing to wordo deteni for suspicion of is bow influencia of alcohol. after of owing to hibanan keep of police for her test owing to leave at cla cu one berdad they're on the level legal. click read more for her imagenan!

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 wel if, condolencia they owing to efamiliaresnan of esun cu owing to fallece. mirando con the autonan owing to stay, i am casi assure cu velocidad also owing to play one rol in the accident here! is seems cu we have to change the dicho upstairs we numbernan of auto: enbes of one happy island for "one speedy island" shonnan as few little bit y core normal y according reglanan of trafico. aruba is so diminutive! corda cu trafico is concerni everybody cu is mobilisa upstairs caminda. as suave! for not lamenta after y assure for not costa life of hendenan inocente. come across

 


I think I am going to open up a car dealership there and clean up. 

Maybe all of their cars should come with breathalizers.    drunken

I can't understand this with all those smart people speaking 20 languages and all, how can they miss the word STOP in any language?   Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #403 on: July 27, 2008, 11:18:55 AM »

I don't understand all these traffic deaths on Aruba.  It's only about 18 miles to drive around and even given the crowded conditions there and the numerous streets and alleys and by-roads, why does someone have to die there almost everyday?  Do people get in their cars and just put the pedal to the metal and never even look around until they get to their destination?  What do they do?  How can they afford to drive like total idiots down there risking every person's life that dares to operate a vehicle?  Seems to me they need some speed limit enforcement.  If you are driving less than 35 miles an hour, how hard it is to stop at an intersection?  The MEP needs to act like a governing body and actually govern.  What are the speed limits in Aruba, anyway?  Rolling Eyes

Maybe they should confiscate their porn videos so they don't peek and drive.
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« Reply #404 on: July 27, 2008, 11:22:15 AM »

I don't understand all these traffic deaths on Aruba.  It's only about 18 miles to drive around and even given the crowded conditions there and the numerous streets and alleys and by-roads, why does someone have to die there almost everyday?  Do people get in their cars and just put the pedal to the metal and never even look around until they get to their destination?  What do they do?  How can they afford to drive like total idiots down there risking every person's life that dares to operate a vehicle?  Seems to me they need some speed limit enforcement.  If you are driving less than 35 miles an hour, how hard it is to stop at an intersection?  The MEP needs to act like a governing body and actually govern.  What are the speed limits in Aruba, anyway?  Rolling Eyes

Maybe they should confiscate their porn videos so they don't peek and drive.

I think it's as simple as too much drugs and alcohol and party atmosphere. 
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« Reply #405 on: July 27, 2008, 11:43:06 AM »

I believe the google translated version of this was posted yesterday:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44899.php

The Netherlands worried about corruption Aruba
25 Jul, 2008, 16:07 (GMT -04:00)

 
ORANJESTAD/ THE HAGUE – The Dutch Minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin (CDA) has expressed his concern about government corruption during talks with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP). This is evident from his answer to Chamber questions which PVV Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman asked the Minister and the Secretary of State Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) on the 26th of June.

The questions are about the political climate on Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles as a result of the interview in the Volkskrant newspaper with former deputy Attorney General (PG) Nico Jörg, who described the climate as being ‘dismal’. Brinkman asked whether the Dutch Minister was aware of ‘the serious allegations of examples of corruption, such as confusion of interests, lobbying for political reasons and nepotism in Aruba” and what the Minister has subsequently done with this information.
Hirsch Ballin responds that the Aruban Public Prosecution has taken various such cases of corruption to court whereby a few resulted in a conviction. “During talks with, amongst others, the Prime Minister of Aruba, I have expressed my concern and have spoken about improvements in the system, which can prevent corruption.”

Brinkman also asked how much money was at stake in the last five years of this corruption. The Minister says not to know, seeing as corruption is a matter of the central government. And with regard to the tenders by the Aruban government, Hirsch Ballin says also not to have any insight in that area seeing as this matter belongs to Aruba. The PVV-member brought forward in his question that tenders are not always transparent, as was stated in the newspaper interview. The Justice Minister also claims to be aware of the shortcomings in legislation. “The Netherlands delivers technical aid in order to support Aruba in its legislation process and to rid them of these shortcomings as soon as possible”, says Hirsch Ballin.
Brinkman also wants to know how Jörg’s presumption that the Public Prosecution on Aruba is met with resistance when it does more than just combating crime, came about. Also to this question the Minister replies that the Public Prosecution is matter for the central government and that he is not in the position to judge the ‘steps which the Public Prosecution has taken or should have taken in whichever situation.” The Minister furthermore finds that the Public Prosecution should be able to execute its work “independently, and through the regular authorities”.

Finally the Dutch Member of Parliament would also like to know if the Minister thinks that everyone which got his/her job through nepotism should be fired on the spot. To this Hirsch Ballin replies: “When hiring personnel the suitability of the candidate for the function should be the first priority. Objectivity and transparency in the process are important. I take it that Aruba stands behind the importance of this criteria. I also don’t have insight into the exchange of personnel with the Aruban government organ.”

 
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« Reply #406 on: July 27, 2008, 11:59:17 AM »

I believe the google translated version of this was posted yesterday:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44899.php

The Netherlands worried about corruption Aruba
25 Jul, 2008, 16:07 (GMT -04:00)

 
ORANJESTAD/ THE HAGUE – The Dutch Minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin (CDA) has expressed his concern about government corruption during talks with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP). This is evident from his answer to Chamber questions which PVV Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman asked the Minister and the Secretary of State Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) on the 26th of June.

The questions are about the political climate on Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles as a result of the interview in the Volkskrant newspaper with former deputy Attorney General (PG) Nico Jörg, who described the climate as being ‘dismal’. Brinkman asked whether the Dutch Minister was aware of ‘the serious allegations of examples of corruption, such as confusion of interests, lobbying for political reasons and nepotism in Aruba” and what the Minister has subsequently done with this information.
Hirsch Ballin responds that the Aruban Public Prosecution has taken various such cases of corruption to court whereby a few resulted in a conviction. “During talks with, amongst others, the Prime Minister of Aruba, I have expressed my concern and have spoken about improvements in the system, which can prevent corruption.”

Brinkman also asked how much money was at stake in the last five years of this corruption. The Minister says not to know, seeing as corruption is a matter of the central government. And with regard to the tenders by the Aruban government, Hirsch Ballin says also not to have any insight in that area seeing as this matter belongs to Aruba. The PVV-member brought forward in his question that tenders are not always transparent, as was stated in the newspaper interview. The Justice Minister also claims to be aware of the shortcomings in legislation. “The Netherlands delivers technical aid in order to support Aruba in its legislation process and to rid them of these shortcomings as soon as possible”, says Hirsch Ballin.
Brinkman also wants to know how Jörg’s presumption that the Public Prosecution on Aruba is met with resistance when it does more than just combating crime, came about. Also to this question the Minister replies that the Public Prosecution is matter for the central government and that he is not in the position to judge the ‘steps which the Public Prosecution has taken or should have taken in whichever situation.” The Minister furthermore finds that the Public Prosecution should be able to execute its work “independently, and through the regular authorities”.

Finally the Dutch Member of Parliament would also like to know if the Minister thinks that everyone which got his/her job through nepotism should be fired on the spot. To this Hirsch Ballin replies: “When hiring personnel the suitability of the candidate for the function should be the first priority. Objectivity and transparency in the process are important. I take it that Aruba stands behind the importance of this criteria. I also don’t have insight into the exchange of personnel with the Aruban government organ.”

 


typical aruban responses to accusations.  the central govt. (holland) is responsible for the problems.  until the dutch actually try to correct problems, then the response is that it's up
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« Reply #407 on: July 27, 2008, 12:19:51 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44910.php
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Netherlands concerned about corruption Aruba
July 25, 2008, 17:58 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD / THE HAGUE - snip

Finally, the Dutch parliamentarian also know whether the Minister believes that anyone who through cronyism or nepotism to a job, standing on foot should be dismissed. This Hirsch Ballin replied: "When recruiting staff, the suitability for the post first. Objectivity and transparency in the process are important. Ga I assume that Aruba the importance of these criteria endorses. The staff is however an autonomous Aruban matter. I have no insight into the human changes in the Aruban government. "

I suspect there will be little government left if this happened. LOL


First off, the Dutch would have to get rid of a whole slew of their own judges and prosecutor/justice ministry staff. These are people they have sent to work on Aruba who have set up a good ole boy network to protect each other. Very few true Arubans have been involved in this fiasco that one Dutch boy and his well-connected father have caused for Aruba.
Very true Dayhiker!  This system has been in place for many years now.  The true Arubans know that those in the "good ole boy network" are protected regardless of the crime, regardless of the cost.  That's why they won't come forward as witnesses to any crime commited by this group of heartless lowlifes.  If they dare to do so, they become the accused of some trumped up crime, or suddenly develop mental disorders that send them away...to be silenced.  It's a "no win" situation for them, such as in this case.  I believe many KNOW about the activities that have kept the truth hidden in Natalee's case, they are afraid to tell what they know; and sadly they are the ones that are most affected by the loss of tourism.  I hope that those that are trying to expose the corruption, nepotism, and cronyism in the Aruban government will be successful in bringing change, but I'm not holding my breath.  If things continue as they are, I believe it will get a lot worse for the Aruban people before it gets better.  With next years elections, hopefully they will have had enough and will let their voices be heard at the polls.  But then again, who controls the elections?????  Could it be the same ones that aren't above orchestrating certain traffic fatalities to gain or retain power?
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« Reply #408 on: July 27, 2008, 12:36:53 PM »

I don't understand all these traffic deaths on Aruba.  It's only about 18 miles to drive around and even given the crowded conditions there and the numerous streets and alleys and by-roads, why does someone have to die there almost everyday?  Do people get in their cars and just put the pedal to the metal and never even look around until they get to their destination?  What do they do?  How can they afford to drive like total idiots down there risking every person's life that dares to operate a vehicle?  Seems to me they need some speed limit enforcement.  If you are driving less than 35 miles an hour, how hard it is to stop at an intersection?  The MEP needs to act like a governing body and actually govern.  What are the speed limits in Aruba, anyway?  Rolling Eyes

Maybe they should confiscate their porn videos so they don't peek and drive.

I think it's as simple as too much drugs and alcohol and party atmosphere. 
             
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #409 on: July 27, 2008, 12:59:57 PM »

I don't understand all these traffic deaths on Aruba.  It's only about 18 miles to drive around and even given the crowded conditions there and the numerous streets and alleys and by-roads, why does someone have to die there almost everyday?  Do people get in their cars and just put the pedal to the metal and never even look around until they get to their destination?  What do they do?  How can they afford to drive like total idiots down there risking every person's life that dares to operate a vehicle?  Seems to me they need some speed limit enforcement.  If you are driving less than 35 miles an hour, how hard it is to stop at an intersection?  The MEP needs to act like a governing body and actually govern.  What are the speed limits in Aruba, anyway?  Rolling Eyes

Maybe they should confiscate their porn videos so they don't peek and drive.

I think it's as simple as too much drugs and alcohol and party atmosphere. 
             
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« Reply #410 on: July 27, 2008, 01:06:56 PM »

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Geez, yet another traffic fatality in Aruba:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5583/8/

True there are a whole lot of auto accidents and fatalities there. But I have to admit this one looks strange. The cars look in strange proximity to one another. They look like they crashed at a construction site yet one is hardly damaged. I can see a body outside one car, laying on what appear to be concrete blocks in a rectangular pattern. Even if the person were dead in the car and removed by someone, who would place them on blocks in such a manner? I wonder if all auto accidents are what we are lead to believe? Just as are all
hanging suicides what we are lead to believe. We all know the answer to that one.
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« Reply #411 on: July 27, 2008, 01:43:03 PM »

D J Diablo.....at Mambo Jambo 7/25
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« Reply #412 on: July 27, 2008, 01:58:35 PM »


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« Reply #413 on: July 27, 2008, 02:22:22 PM »

Looking for more info but ALERT:

Missing Persons: Cedrika Provencher FOUND SAFE

No this is false please remove post , also if you can remove post in missing persons.....sorry for extra work any MOD   TIA

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« Reply #414 on: July 27, 2008, 02:29:04 PM »

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Geez, yet another traffic fatality in Aruba:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5583/8/

True there are a whole lot of auto accidents and fatalities there. But I have to admit this one looks strange. The cars look in strange proximity to one another. They look like they crashed at a construction site yet one is hardly damaged. I can see a body outside one car, laying on what appear to be concrete blocks in a rectangular pattern. Even if the person were dead in the car and removed by someone, who would place them on blocks in such a manner? I wonder if all auto accidents are what we are lead to believe? Just as are all
hanging suicides what we are lead to believe. We all know the answer to that one.


If you read the comments under the pictures, looks like people are not happy they gave the police money for overtime, but they are not preventing accidents.  That is what I can get from it.  I don't blame them.  Aruba is ridiculous.  The traffic fatalities vs. population of Aruba must be astronomical.
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« Reply #416 on: July 27, 2008, 03:42:23 PM »

Thank-you San, I was so happy when I first thought it was Cedrika it made me delirious.
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« Reply #417 on: July 27, 2008, 04:40:27 PM »

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Geez, yet another traffic fatality in Aruba:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5583/8/

True there are a whole lot of auto accidents and fatalities there. But I have to admit this one looks strange. The cars look in strange proximity to one another. They look like they crashed at a construction site yet one is hardly damaged. I can see a body outside one car, laying on what appear to be concrete blocks in a rectangular pattern. Even if the person were dead in the car and removed by someone, who would place them on blocks in such a manner? I wonder if all auto accidents are what we are lead to believe? Just as are all
hanging suicides what we are lead to believe. We all know the answer to that one.
In my opinion some of them are more than likely just as suspicious as the "hand in the pocket" hanging suicides.
 
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« Reply #418 on: July 27, 2008, 05:57:35 PM »

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Geez, yet another traffic fatality in Aruba:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5583/8/

True there are a whole lot of auto accidents and fatalities there. But I have to admit this one looks strange. The cars look in strange proximity to one another. They look like they crashed at a construction site yet one is hardly damaged. I can see a body outside one car, laying on what appear to be concrete blocks in a rectangular pattern. Even if the person were dead in the car and removed by someone, who would place them on blocks in such a manner? I wonder if all auto accidents are what we are lead to believe? Just as are all
hanging suicides what we are lead to believe. We all know the answer to that one.

That's very odd.  Maybe it's a kind of insurance fraud?  I hate to even use that phrase...
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