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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22 - 8/5/08 (Read 329912 times)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: texasmom on July 30, 2008, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: Pita on July 30, 2008, 08:43:54 PM
Yes, it was Hotshot's but they're no longer there.
Thanks Pita!
Here are some of the photos from Hotshots site:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/odubergravescollage.jpg
Link to Hotshots new site - direct link to her trip to Aruba and what she found
January 2006
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http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/TriptoAruba.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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This is the first post, I think from Caps...Klaas copied it from the FP.
Reply #721 on: December 21, 2007, 05:07:08 PM »
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Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):
CapslockWizard wrote:
I do think that we all got it wrong..
If the Investigators cannot find Nathalie is because they are searching and looking in the wrong places.
If you ask yourself this question: “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it?”
The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.
And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.
Lets test the Logic:
In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two forms.
1. In the grounds
2. In a Kelder with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar above ground in public eye site in the cemetary. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.
Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.
There are a lot of CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot.
My logic:
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
Logic test: You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.
To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.
But
If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.
This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.
a. Move dead body to a cemetery,
b. Cemetry door closed, then jump the fence with the body.
c. Inside the cemetery fined an open Kelder or break one open.
d. Put body in it
e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.
f. Make cement in a bucket
g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.
h. Paint the wall
And you are done.
Now nobody can’t find her because we are looking outside the box, we have been looking too much outside the realm of logic. The Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: klaasend on July 30, 2008, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: texasmom on July 30, 2008, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: Pita on July 30, 2008, 08:43:54 PM
Yes, it was Hotshot's but they're no longer there.
Thanks Pita!
Here are some of the photos from Hotshots site:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/odubergravescollage.jpg
Link to Hotshots new site - direct link to her trip to Aruba and what she found
January 2006
:
http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/TriptoAruba.html
Thank you, Klaas!
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Quote from: klaasend on July 30, 2008, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: texasmom on July 30, 2008, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: Pita on July 30, 2008, 08:43:54 PM
Yes, it was Hotshot's but they're no longer there.
Thanks Pita!
Here are some of the photos from Hotshots site:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/odubergravescollage.jpg
Link to Hotshots new site - direct link to her trip to Aruba and what she found
January 2006
:
http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/TriptoAruba.html
Thanks Klaas!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Klaas? If we want to comment about the show, where would that be appropriate?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on July 30, 2008, 05:10:14 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on July 30, 2008, 04:58:40 PM
Wait just a minute! I think I understand. The person that helped Joran is known by the term "Godfather". That is not saying he is really Joran's godfather? Do I have that right? Oh, Please Caps tell me that is what you meant. I am so confused right now my eyes are about to pop out of my head.
It is his real godfather.
When you are born, baptise, the famaly will select a godfather when baptised. Then and First Comunion again they will select a godfather. This is called also the trusted godfather some one that will be with you for ever, someone that will help you when needed.
Sorry but I'm a few pages behind in my reading tonight. When I read CAPS post about the GODFATHER I was reminded of the codetalkers mention of 'cafone' (or as they say in NYC GAVONE). A Cafone is a snitch in the 'Italian mob where the 'GODFATHER' is the head of the clan.
Now I get it CAPS!!! All this talk and assumptions about the 'mob' was not really about them but about Joran's real GODFATHER - the GODFATHER present at his baptism! And if King (the ARAWAK KING) was staying at the Sloot home during that time, then it makes sense when Kalpoe said to Joran "...your own father...".
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:24 pm
The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone. The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes. This is all a “lugubrious game” to them. They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads. One of them needs to be pinched.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on July 30, 2008, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on July 30, 2008, 08:46:46 AM
Caps
Are you talking about the you tube videos that have been in circulation on the internet for a while now or is this something completely different? I have seen several that were sent to me before that had these same things in them. I am wondering if this is a new set or the same ones as before? TIA
BTW glad you are doing well in the bat cave.
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You see, these videos are the real thing before what has been cut to show the world. Things that de Vries never shared to the world. these DVD are 2 hrs lonf and contain the whole process of the undercover operation, what joran said and where he show Hans Mos he eveidance and where Hans MOS aware of this conffesion.
Joran sate that he met natalee that night, he know the girl for about 3 hours and that she died on her and where he has caled his friend to despose of it. It is all in Dutch.
How did I got my hand on....don't ask...
But I have some question but it also let me have a clear inside who the Arawak is. The Lawyer Carlo and Ben King.
Ben King work for the Chief Prosecuter and Live with Paules Van der Sloot. Mantana 19, that is why I can not find an adress for him in any registry.
I will see if I can load them up...but will check...these are the videos where the things were cut out that no one have seem
The on on you tube is just an extract and not the video it self.
The on called "Het Geheim van Aruba" is 2 hours long very good work. Tranlation "The Secret of Aruba"
This movie I have not see on the Internet. Will have to put my streaming server on
and the one from where Joran confess that Pater show was just a bit and not the whole thing.
CAPS.
Caps,
If you can stream them, I can get them captured.
Or if you find a way to compress them, and get them where I can
download them... that'll work too!
Just say when and where. Thank you!
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.
-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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When Caps gets his videos on here who is going to translate them? Maybe Johan?
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DANA PRETZER is going to have Cindy Anthony on the show before it's over tonight. LIVE
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on July 30, 2008, 09:32:40 PM
When Caps gets his videos on here who is going to translate them? Maybe Johan?
Johan can only translate if they are in Dutch. If they are in papiamentu then Caps will have to translate
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Quote from: klaasend on July 30, 2008, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on July 30, 2008, 09:32:40 PM
When Caps gets his videos on here who is going to translate them? Maybe Johan?
Johan can only translate if they are in Dutch. If they are in papiamentu then Caps will have to translate
from Caps post about at least one of the videos
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snip: It is all in Dutch.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22
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Quote from: texasmom on July 30, 2008, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: klaasend on July 30, 2008, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on July 30, 2008, 09:32:40 PM
When Caps gets his videos on here who is going to translate them? Maybe Johan?
Johan can only translate if they are in Dutch. If they are in papiamentu then Caps will have to translate
from Caps post about at least one of the videos
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snip: It is all in Dutch.
Cool, then hopefully Johan or Caesu or one of our Dutch posters can translate for us.
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Quote from: Pita on July 30, 2008, 08:29:47 PM
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IIRC, Wever and Obuber crypts were broken into. Anybody know when this happened?
The only person that could have give me an answer on "the seven Level of Inferno" was an old priest.
I have a question
Who else died in the week of Natalee went Missing. There must have been.
Quote from: carpe noctem on July 16, 2008, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: carpe noctem on July 17, 2008, 01:28:40 AM
With deep sympathy we announce the death of:
Jalitza Marie Wever
21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005.
Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA
Klaas or Blonde, could you remove my first post? I messed up and included my info within the quote box. Thank you!
IIRC, Wever and Obuber crypts were broken into. Anybody know when this happened?
I can answer that. It was when I was on the plane to Aruba....... Jan 12th 2006 Sorry if someone already posted this, I havent read foward yet.
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Joran van der Sloot:
One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that.
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on July 30, 2008, 06:43:21 PM
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on July 30, 2008, 05:38:24 PM
IIRC, Wever and Obuber crypts were broken into. Anybody know when this happened?
The only person that could have give me an answer on "the seven Level of Inferno" was an old priest.
I have a question
Who else died in the week of Natalee went Missing. There must have been.
Quote from: carpe noctem on July 16, 2008, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: carpe noctem on July 17, 2008, 01:28:40 AM
With deep sympathy we announce the death of:
Jalitza Marie Wever
21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005.
Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA
Klaas or Blonde, could you remove my first post? I messed up and included my info within the quote box. Thank you!
IIRC, Wever and Obuber crypts were broken into. Anybody know when this happened?
I can answer that. It was when I was on the plane to Aruba....... Jan 12th 2006 Sorry if someone already posted this, I havent read foward yet.
now here we have a a true doppleganger. What coincidance. on the same week we have a look a like.
lets examine her datas
Profet, born. Wever Jalitza M
DOB=3/21/1962
Location=Aruba
Address= Hooiberg Kavel 2D
Town=Santa Cruz
If she is dead, she must be burried in Santa Cruz. and not Oranjestad
Which plot, thats eazy.
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Funeral Oranjestad but could be buried elsewhere?
http://www.mementomori.net/05137.html
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Quote from: klaasend on July 31, 2008, 12:13:40 AM
Funeral Oranjestad but could be buried elsewhere?
http://www.mementomori.net/05137.html
Well this is odd, no famaly mention but she was born Wever but married to a Profet. That means where is the Relatives names, bother and sisters etc.
This does not Compute.
Well if this lady is dead I can get the plot number. will check. but someting is odd. No Mother and father.
let me check her roots
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on July 31, 2008, 12:36:35 AM
Quote from: klaasend on July 31, 2008, 12:13:40 AM
Funeral Oranjestad but could be buried elsewhere?
http://www.mementomori.net/05137.html
Well this is odd, no famaly mention but she was born Wever but married to a Profet. That means where is the Relatives names, bother and sisters etc.
This does not Compute.
Well if this lady is dead I can get the plot number. will check. but someting is odd. No Mother and father.
let me check her roots
Profet Michel A 11/10/1958 Curacao Hooiberg Kavel 2D
Profet, geb. Wever Jalitza M 3/21/1962 Aruba Hooiberg Kavel 2D
Michel Profet ??? hmmm
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http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter59.html
ARUBAN TOUR OPERATORS RECEIVE TOP HONORS FROM PRINCESS CRUISES
The magnificent Dawn Princess cruise ship awarded two of Aruba’s finest Tour Operators top honors in a ceremony held on board. Both operators received the greatest amount of customer compliments during the busy high-season of 2001/2002. Aruba’s De Palm Tours was recognized for “Shore Excursion of the Season” in the class of “4-Wheel Drive Safari, ” and Peclican Watersports Adventures earned “Shore Excursion of the Season” in the class of “Catamaran Snorkel & Beach Cruise.” On hand to receive the awards Ezmeralda Schotman, Ivan Gordijk and Loinel Henriquez for De Palm Tours,
Michel Profet
,
Carlos Ramos
and Augusto Montbrun for Pelican Watersports Adventures
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http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/images/p_princesscruises.jpg
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Quote from: klaasend on July 31, 2008, 12:55:22 AM
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter59.html
ARUBAN TOUR OPERATORS RECEIVE TOP HONORS FROM PRINCESS CRUISES
The magnificent Dawn Princess cruise ship awarded two of Aruba’s finest Tour Operators top honors in a ceremony held on board. Both operators received the greatest amount of customer compliments during the busy high-season of 2001/2002. Aruba’s De Palm Tours was recognized for “Shore Excursion of the Season” in the class of “4-Wheel Drive Safari, ” and Peclican Watersports Adventures earned “Shore Excursion of the Season” in the class of “Catamaran Snorkel & Beach Cruise.” On hand to receive the awards Ezmeralda Schotman, Ivan Gordijk and Loinel Henriquez for De Palm Tours,
Michel Profet
,
Carlos Ramos
and Augusto Montbrun for Pelican Watersports Adventures
.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/images/p_princesscruises.jpg
Now this will top it all
Look in what news paper and search for Michel Profet
http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf
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=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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