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« Reply #680 on: July 31, 2008, 01:16:54 AM »

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter59.html

ARUBAN TOUR OPERATORS RECEIVE TOP HONORS FROM PRINCESS CRUISES

The magnificent Dawn Princess cruise ship awarded two of Aruba’s finest Tour Operators top honors in a ceremony held on board. Both operators received the greatest amount of customer compliments during the busy high-season of 2001/2002. Aruba’s De Palm Tours was recognized for “Shore Excursion of the Season” in the class of “4-Wheel Drive Safari, ” and Peclican Watersports Adventures earned “Shore Excursion of the Season” in the class of “Catamaran Snorkel & Beach Cruise.” On hand to receive the awards Ezmeralda Schotman, Ivan Gordijk and Loinel Henriquez for De Palm Tours, Michel Profet, Carlos Ramos and Augusto Montbrun for Pelican Watersports Adventures.

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/images/p_princesscruises.jpg

Now this will top it all

Look in what news paper and search for Michel Profet

http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf


The first time I saw this name Carlos Ramos was in 2004 case of illegal permit. then in 2005 there is the name again in a case similair but this time it is related to the money that went from Excelcior Casino to Hong Kong. Till today it was never mention of beeing solved.

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« Reply #681 on: July 31, 2008, 01:26:39 AM »

Caps - yes, I saw that too.

Also, Carlos Ramos...we have been told there are at least 2 with the same name.  Carlos the condom witness and Carlos the gardner witness.  So now we have a Carlos Ramos with Pelican Water Sports? 
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« Reply #682 on: July 31, 2008, 01:28:20 AM »

http://www.extrabon.com/edishon/edishon2003/extra2003-09-30.pdf

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Seńor ta mi salbashon di ken lo mi tin miedu!
A muri kristianamente
Sra.vda. Petronilia
Andrea Janga - Vlijt
nasé 4-2-1922 +27-9-2003
Na nňmber di
su yunan: Dianne i Nel Fernandes
Ina Profet
Alfred i Corry Profet
Marjorie Profet
Carlos i Millie Profet
Michael i Jalitza Profet
Alvin i Suzette Profet
Maricela i Omar Lesire
Marcelo Profet
su nietunan: Puccio, Ivo, Rosi,Ramses, Jean Paul, Thaďs,
Maikito, Talia, Ixchelle, Xena, Ty, Seth, Carlito, Sciandri i Sid.
Bisanietu: Kyle Jose, Ivo, Ruben i Vincent Wijnheijmer, Lilian
Heidweiler, Claudia i Erika Fernandes.
Demas famia: Profet, Fernandes, Jansen, Wever, Goilo,
Romero, Antonette, Pellicer i Boulet.
Na nňmber di Juja i Julisa Swartjes, Sůr Crispina, Roosje i
Freddy Velasques i yunan, Doey Vlijt i famia.
Su tanta: Maria Trappenbergh i Beby Sellie
Su primunan: Clive Marchena, Evy Booi i rumannan, Tecla
Piar i famia, Selma Paulette i famia, Silvio Paulette, Laura
Kroon i yunan na Hulanda, Paulina Vlijt i yunan na Hulanda i
Kňrsou, Agrepina Cicilia i rumannan, Selsio Martijn i
rumannan, Cornelia Janga i famia, Leonie Cicilia i famia.
Demas famia: Vlijt, Janga, Profet, Swartjes, Koeks, Booi,
Marchena, Cecilia, Martijn Paulette, Sellie, Hart, van
Arneman, Velasques i Sesline Winklaar.
Ihanan, komader- i kompadernan, konosínan na Boneiru,
Aruba i Kňrsou.
Akto di entiero ta tuma lugá djarason 1 ňktober. Pa 13.30
ta risibí bishita di kondolensia na misa San Luis Bertran na
Rincon. Pa 4’or tin un santu sakrifisio despues pa santana
katóliko.
Despues no ta risibí bishita di kondolensia
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #683 on: July 31, 2008, 02:18:27 AM »

Has anyone heard from Destiny?  I'm getting worried....it's been days.  Did I miss something?  I hope everything is o.k.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #684 on: July 31, 2008, 02:47:04 AM »



IIRC, Wever and Obuber crypts were broken into.  Anybody know when this happened?

The only person that could have give me an answer on "the seven Level of Inferno" was an old priest.

I have a question

Who else died in the week of Natalee went Missing. There must have been.




With deep sympathy we announce the death of:

Jalitza Marie Wever

21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005.

Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA

Klaas or Blonde, could you remove my first post?  I messed up and included my info within the quote box.  Thank you!

IIRC, Wever and Obuber crypts were broken into.  Anybody know when this happened?

I can answer that.  It was when I was on the plane to Aruba....... Jan 12th 2006       Sorry if someone already posted this, I havent read foward yet.

now here we have a a true doppleganger. What coincidance. on the same week we have a look a like.

lets examine her datas

Profet, born. Wever Jalitza M
DOB=3/21/1962
Location=Aruba
Address=   Hooiberg Kavel 2D   
Town=Santa Cruz

If she is dead, she must be burried in Santa Cruz. and not Oranjestad

Which plot, thats eazy.



Yes she is dead :

Dear Johan,
We must inform you that we normally do not give information to third parties not directly have a relationship with concerned, we can pass on aleen notify that person is deceased. More information, we can not provide.
Sincerely,
Civil Status Office Aruba
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Beste Johan,
We moeten u mededelen dat wij normal geen informatie geven aan derden die niet direkt een relatie hebben met betrokkene, we kunnen u aleen op de hoogte stellen dat betrokkene is overleden. Meer informatie kunnen wij niet verstrekken.
Met vriendelijke groeten,
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.

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« Reply #685 on: July 31, 2008, 06:59:29 AM »

   

not the exact graphic I was looking for, but same idea...
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« Reply #686 on: July 31, 2008, 09:16:31 AM »

I put almost nothing into dreams...but I had one way way back in the beginning of the case, and posted about it. This dream was extremely vivid and I still remember all of the details. Remarkable that everything was in rich color.

It involved an above ground cemetery on Aruba and a maze-like pathways of tombs.

These were all white and Natalee was buried in one of the crypts. The crypt next to her says "Johanson" or "Johansen". I have not seen this name regularly associate with Aruba and it seems possibly Swedish to me and not Dutch.

The crypt itself is located near the entrance of the cemetery and is with in 75 feet of the entrance. I remember that the crypt that Natalee is in is not the top crypt, but the middle crypt, with one crypt below. She is in the center crypt in a stack of three.

The entrance to the cemetery has rather high white walls and a rather wide entrance way. I would estimate that the entrance is about 7-8 feet wide. The entry path leads almost directly to the crypt Natalee is in. You do not need to venture all around the cemetery to find this crypt.

As I said, I put nothing into this.... but who knows. I think just about everyone here has has some type of dream related to this case.

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« Reply #687 on: July 31, 2008, 09:27:48 AM »

 

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« Reply #688 on: July 31, 2008, 09:36:20 AM »

IF a crypt was used:
it would have to be one that belongs to the owner, with owner's knowledge
or
IF a stolen crypt, it would have to have a space available and known to be an old crypt of an old family with no surviving ancestors - or a family that no longer lives on the island - or ?????
in other words
not a crypt that is likely to be re-opened for a future death.

Can you imagine preparing to place a loved one in a crypt and finding an additional unknown person resting there?!

Just thinking out loud not sure if I'm making any sense - any comments? 
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« Reply #689 on: July 31, 2008, 09:59:32 AM »

I put almost nothing into dreams...but I had one way way back in the beginning of the case, and posted about it. This dream was extremely vivid and I still remember all of the details. Remarkable that everything was in rich color.

It involved an above ground cemetery on Aruba and a maze-like pathways of tombs.

These were all white and Natalee was buried in one of the crypts. The crypt next to her says "Johanson" or "Johansen". I have not seen this name regularly associate with Aruba and it seems possibly Swedish to me and not Dutch.

The crypt itself is located near the entrance of the cemetery and is with in 75 feet of the entrance. I remember that the crypt that Natalee is in is not the top crypt, but the middle crypt, with one crypt below. She is in the center crypt in a stack of three.

The entrance to the cemetery has rather high white walls and a rather wide entrance way. I would estimate that the entrance is about 7-8 feet wide. The entry path leads almost directly to the crypt Natalee is in. You do not need to venture all around the cemetery to find this crypt.

As I said, I put nothing into this.... but who knows. I think just about everyone here has has some type of dream related to this case.


I'll post a few of my old dreams (and other poster dreams I saved) on the FEELINGS thread.

One dream I had in November 2007 could easily have described the crypt stacking. Many "sensed" that wherever Natalee is, others are with her. Back in June '05 many "sensed " something wrong with her head and also "sensed" boats.
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« Reply #690 on: July 31, 2008, 10:12:50 AM »

Would Paulus take the chance that Natalee was placed in someone's crypt? 
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« Reply #691 on: July 31, 2008, 10:20:23 AM »

Would Paulus take the chance that Natalee was placed in someone's crypt? 
That does seem doubtful doesn't it?
Who does Paulus trust?
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« Reply #692 on: July 31, 2008, 10:36:31 AM »

Would Paulus take the chance that Natalee was placed in someone's crypt? 

I say no also. Too risky in my opinion.

I do think if Natalee is found, Buddy, Gary and a few others might be found also. There is probably a bone yard somewhere.

I'm not sure Max will be found due to where David Stacey Sr was located when Max disappeared.
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« Reply #693 on: July 31, 2008, 10:43:31 AM »

Yesterday, CAPS said HM was watching us, who is that??
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« Reply #694 on: July 31, 2008, 10:44:34 AM »

I sent Destiny an email yesterday - she did not respond.
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« Reply #695 on: July 31, 2008, 10:52:46 AM »

My Mother in Law and Father in Law are buried together here.  His casket is on the bottom, then a layer of concrete, then her coffin.  Do you think they could have done it that way??
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« Reply #696 on: July 31, 2008, 10:56:02 AM »

My Mother in Law and Father in Law are buried together here.  His casket is on the bottom, then a layer of concrete, then her coffin.  Do you think they could have done it that way??
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I think they could have put Natalee's body in a crypt with another body....easily.
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« Reply #697 on: July 31, 2008, 11:18:03 AM »

Would Paulus take the chance that Natalee was placed in someone's crypt? 

I recall hearing that Paulus was on some hospital board/committee. Not sure where I got that info -can't back it up but just heard it. If he was on this 'board', can he get access to hospital records - like if the doppleganger was sick in the hosp prior to her death?
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« Reply #698 on: July 31, 2008, 11:20:52 AM »

My Mother in Law and Father in Law are buried together here.  His casket is on the bottom, then a layer of concrete, then her coffin.  Do you think they could have done it that way??
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I think they could have put Natalee's body in a crypt with another body....easily.


That would explain the crypt destruction - antsy drug dealers letting 'someone' know how badkly they want the case to be solved so there wouldn't be so much focus on the island...
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« Reply #699 on: July 31, 2008, 11:28:38 AM »

But....knowing how very important the outcome of NOT finding that body would be to your entire family....would you risk putting it in a crypt where people from all over the world can just walk up and leave flowers and pay their respects?  Would you really risk that knowing that as long as you are the only person that knows where that body is no one else can get to it?  Would Paulus allow that chance to be taken on Joran's behalf?  Would you?

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