Lively Case Discussion #520 9/4 - 9/7/2006

[Peaches]

"Failure to perform".

Sounds like the story of the day on the happy little hellhole.  

Too bad the ALE didn't spend as much time trying to actually SOLVE the crime as they did trying to cover up their own inadequacies, inefficiencies and downright abject stupidity.

[San]

Posted by Viet Vet just now in the fp area:

Comment 115, you are very correct Mortella, Beth and the first group from Alabama arrived on the Monday, I was with the second group and we arrived on Wednesday at about 11AM. We were told by van der Stratten to check and shake down leads at crack houses, along with many other worthless leads. This was to keep us busy and not have us in the way of the coverup. We were also warned to not go after the 3 witnesses (J2K) and try to get information from them. He(van der Stratten)was not in uniform but I could see his pistol was in his pocket. Dennis Jacobs met with us later that day and said the same thing, shake down crack houses and the people there but lay off J2K. He also had his pistol in plain view although not in uniform. He and van der Stratten both claimed to not knowing where Joran was. When we found him the next day at the International School, the police started following us from then until we left the island. They knew very well what had happened to Natalee and only wanted to protect Joran and Paulus. The show of pistols was a warning from them that their intentions were to protect Joran. This is probably the reason the Dutch are bringing weapons, they know. Hindsight is 20/20, if all of us from Alabama had it to go over again, the case would have been solved the first week after Natalee went missing. Thanks monkeys, you have really been on this case. The more pressure, the more results. Great job. Justice will come and then maybe some peace for Beth and the whole family.



GOODMORNING ALL!

This convinces me all the more that there was a cover-up from DAY 1!!!!  They knew what happened to Natalee right away and it was on.  Of course VDS & Jaccobs wanted no one to try to contact J2K - the stories had not been perfected and there was still evidence to get rid of.  It is all such an INJUSTICE.  

I truly hope and pray this new Dutch team does some good.  I am so skeptical at this point.

This post is disturbing in so many ways...
Not only did they start cover up...but they are encouraging parents from another Country to "shake down" crack houses....

Can you imagine if an out of towner in NYC approached the Police and they told them to go search some crack houses????

For that alone they should investigated.  The police telling tourists to search crack houses is just unbelievable.  What if one of these people got killed because law enforcement told them to search crack houses.  They put them in danger on purpose.  They tell them to stay away from J2K but the tell them to go to crack houses.

[terryd270]

Klaasend,

If its hot today you need to jump into the water, your surf temp is:

WATER TEMPERATURE.......63 TO 68 DEGREES

That should keep you cool..  

Our water temp. is like a warm bath.. 84 DEGREES..

[Shizaru]

Can anyone find a link to the 6 page letter that the family wrote to Aruban government on Nov 2?  There used to a copy in the SM front page archives but it is no longer available.

[thik]

Posted by Viet Vet just now in the fp area:




GOODMORNING ALL!

This convinces me all the more that there was a cover-up from DAY 1!!!!  They knew what happened to Natalee right away and it was on.  Of course VDS & Jaccobs wanted no one to try to contact J2K - the stories had not been perfected and there was still evidence to get rid of.  It is all such an INJUSTICE.  

I truly hope and pray this new Dutch team does some good.  I am so skeptical at this point.

This post is disturbing in so many ways...
Not only did they start cover up...but they are encouraging parents from another Country to "shake down" crack houses....

Can you imagine if an out of towner in NYC approached the Police and they told them to go search some crack houses????

For that alone they should investigated.  The police telling tourists to search crack houses is just unbelievable.  What if one of these people got killed because law enforcement told them to search crack houses.  They put them in danger on purpose.  They tell them to stay away from J2K but the tell them to go to crack houses.

What'd they do, give them the 'tour guide pamphlet' to the 'crack houses' on the island.  I hope the Hollandaise Investigators get wind of this...

[San]

For that alone they should investigated.  The police telling tourists to search crack houses is just unbelievable.  What if one of these people got killed because law enforcement told them to search crack houses.  They put them in danger on purpose.  They tell them to stay away from J2K but the tell them to go to crack houses.

What'd they do, give them the 'tour guide pamphlet' to the 'crack houses' on the island.  I hope the Hollandaise Investigators get wind of this...

Maybe the first crack house they should have visited was the Van der Sloot home.

[msmarple]

Klaas - I copied your post re. St. Martaan, Scotland Yard, crime in the area, etc., into the Murder & Crime thread.

Monkeys - Check out the Murder & Crime on Aruba thread. See my sig line. Input welcome.

[klaasend]

Can anyone find a link to the 6 page letter that the family wrote to Aruban government on Nov 2?  There used to a copy in the SM front page archives but it is no longer available.

Shizaru - looking but haven't found it yet.  The front page was linking to the letter in the forum and that forum no longer exists.  It's possible Red has a copy somewhere, I should too but can't find it.  Still looking though.

[BTgirl]

O/T

Note to Peaches:

I'm dining at the Big River tonight.  

[Jacqueline]

O/T

Note to Peaches:

I'm dining at the Big River tonight.  

ooooooooo what is Big River?

SOunds like fun!

[the big hammer]

Unholstered Weapons & ...

...out of uniform.  HHhhhmmm.

Behavior designed to intimidate and makes statement that "I Am The Law".  However, this is completely untrue: neither van der Straaten nor Jacobs in position to "intimidate" anyone.

HT posse, per private air travel, in position to bring their own weapons to bear on situation -- so would that be the answer for van der Straaten: to have a shootout in front of ISA?  OR, would van der Straaten gun down unarmed search party participants, just to show who is boss?

Neither would happen.  But it is more instructive of boorish mindset and bullying behavior of senior police officers who out of uniform, brandish their "officially-issued" weapons at innocents.

And if the polis are too busy tracking HT posse around immediately after disappearance, then who is executing the vaunted "tactical maneuvers" -- the close following and electronic surveillance of suspects -- publicized by ALE as reason for not immediately apprehending JK2?

[BTgirl]

O/T

Note to Peaches:

I'm dining at the Big River tonight.  

ooooooooo what is Big River?

SOunds like fun!

Big River Grille. Peaches' favorite place to eat around here. It's nice. Having dinner there with hubby and his new boss.

[Jacqueline]

O/T

Note to Peaches:

I'm dining at the Big River tonight.  

ooooooooo what is Big River?

SOunds like fun!

Big River Grille. Peaches' favorite place to eat around here. It's nice. Having dinner there with hubby and his new boss.

Sounds great!

Bon Appetite!

[Sam]

Can anyone find a link to the 6 page letter that the family wrote to Aruban government on Nov 2?  There used to a copy in the SM front page archives but it is no longer available.

Shizaru - looking but haven't found it yet.  The front page was linking to the letter in the forum and that forum no longer exists.  It's possible Red has a copy somewhere, I should too but can't find it.  Still looking though.

Klaas and Shizaru, The front page post on that was in JPG form I think. I was the one who posted it on the forum and it became condensed to 3 pages I think when I typed it up. I must still have a copy and if so I will post it to the forum again.

Give me awhile to find it. LOL

Sam

[nonesuche]

Hammer, I agree.

I have kept each and every one of viet vet's posts for a reason, for he speaks the truth, in very measured and unemotional posts. Never does he rail against the persecution dealt each of Jug's friends, via the RU and other site, not one. He has such dignity when he speaks the truth.

We should listen carefully to everything he posts, I thank him for his enligtenment and his capacity to keep justice for Natalee in focus always.

[klaasend]

Can anyone find a link to the 6 page letter that the family wrote to Aruban government on Nov 2?  There used to a copy in the SM front page archives but it is no longer available.

Shizaru - looking but haven't found it yet.  The front page was linking to the letter in the forum and that forum no longer exists.  It's possible Red has a copy somewhere, I should too but can't find it.  Still looking though.

Klaas and Shizaru, The front page post on that was in JPG form I think. I was the one who posted it on the forum and it became condensed to 3 pages I think when I typed it up. I must still have a copy and if so I will post it to the forum again.

Give me awhile to find it. LOL

Sam

Thanks Sam!

[Sam]

Ok it is up I hope I am giving you the right link. It is posted under Natalee Holloway forum. Listed as Letter from Holloway Twittys and Art Wood in 3 parts.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=318

[klaasend]

Ok it is up I hope I am giving you the right link. It is posted under Natalee Holloway forum. Listed as Letter from Holloway Twittys and Art Wood in 3 parts.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=318

Thanks Sam - do you happen to also have the .jpg's of the actual letter as well, just checking in case Shizaru needs actual copies of the letter. If you have the .jpg and photobucket, could you paste those links as well.  If not that's OK.  Thanks.

[Jacqueline]

Hammer, I agree.

I have kept each and every one of viet vet's posts for a reason, for he speaks the truth, in very measured and unemotional posts. Never does he rail against the persecution dealt each of Jug's friends, via the RU and other site, not one. He has such dignity when he speaks the truth.

We should listen carefully to everything he posts, I thank him for his enligtenment and his capacity to keep justice for Natalee in focus always.

Hey None!
Did you see the pic of you me and Mrs belting out a song?

Diva's are we!

[klaasend]

This was just posted in the front page area by Sharon Chicago:

SOMETHING must be going on behind the scenes…because
Kelly is laying low no comments on the upcoming investigation…. Man…how sweet it is…if the Holland
Police are coming in to clean house and make some arrests.

Joran and his father should have a whiff of whats coming
down the pike… I bet they both have the blues!! It’s
only the beginning of the end for them. Justice for Natalee!!


Note:  Sharon Chicago makes an excellent point.  I hope she is right!