Natalee Case Discussion #767 8/5 through 9/9

[Buckeye]

Here is the document (s) filed by the Kalpoes attorneys on 8/15/08 as mentioned in Buckeye's post above.  I have linked it below as a PDF file and have not made screen captures because I believe it's really just more "tit for tat" prior to the 8/28/08 hearing:

Thanks Klaas

[Red]

Aruba: Tourists Beat up by Bouncers at Senor Frogs … Wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot Underage?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/23/aruba-tourists-beat-up-by-bouncers-at-senor-frogs-wasnt-joran-van-der-sloot-underage/


Interestingly enough, wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot underage to drink at Carlos N’ Charlies in 2005 when Joran, Deepak and Satish road off with Natalee Holloway and she was never to be seen again? I do not remember him ever receiving this king of treatment by the security or bouncers. In fact, Aruba knew he was underage and allowed him in casinos and night clubs without any concern. In fact they embraced it. So why is it that tourists would receive a different brand of treatment and justice? Since when does being under age get you a greater beating than, oh … let’s say participating in a homicide?

[klaasend]

Another oil spill:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5909/5/#jc_allComments

Beach ta wordo sera door di Oil Spill       
Saturday, 23 August 2008 - 12:48 
Algun rato pasa nos tin entendi cu Polis a duna orden pa sera e beach cu tin den e area di Tamarijn Hotel. Esaki ta debi cu lo mester tin un oil spill den e laman y esaki ja lo mester a afecta 5 turista. E turistanan ta hopi furioso pa cu e hecho aki. Contacto a wordo tuma cu rampen bureau pa asina yega na e sitio y mira con nan lo por yuda mirando cu e instancianan cu ta purbando na clean up e oil spill no ta logrando.
Update: Reportero di 24ora.com ta na e sitio y mester bisca cu e oil splii no ta mesun grave cu a premira y cu  e no ta algo hopi riparabel te ora bo landa den e awa. Ora di sali bo ta ripara diferente plek plek di azeta riba curpa y cabei.


http://www.awe24.com/
 

[dennisintn]

Aruba: Tourists Beat up by Bouncers at Senor Frogs … Wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot Underage?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/23/aruba-tourists-beat-up-by-bouncers-at-senor-frogs-wasnt-joran-van-der-sloot-underage/


Interestingly enough, wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot underage to drink at Carlos N’ Charlies in 2005 when Joran, Deepak and Satish road off with Natalee Holloway and she was never to be seen again? I do not remember him ever receiving this king of treatment by the security or bouncers. In fact, Aruba knew he was underage and allowed him in casinos and night clubs without any concern. In fact they embraced it. So why is it that tourists would receive a different brand of treatment and justice? Since when does being under age get you a greater beating than, oh … let’s say participating in a homicide?

jvds had a v.i.p. card at c&c's.  it's against the law to beat up underage p.c.'s carrying v.i.p. cards. 
dennisintn

[Dayhiker]

Aruba: Tourists Beat up by Bouncers at Senor Frogs … Wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot Underage?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/23/aruba-tourists-beat-up-by-bouncers-at-senor-frogs-wasnt-joran-van-der-sloot-underage/


Interestingly enough, wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot underage to drink at Carlos N’ Charlies in 2005 when Joran, Deepak and Satish road off with Natalee Holloway and she was never to be seen again? I do not remember him ever receiving this king of treatment by the security or bouncers. In fact, Aruba knew he was underage and allowed him in casinos and night clubs without any concern. In fact they embraced it. So why is it that tourists would receive a different brand of treatment and justice? Since when does being under age get you a greater beating than, oh … let’s say participating in a homicide?

According to Michael Dompig 14 and 15 year old tourist girls go to the bars and get sloppy drunk all the time. Could be be because they are female and easy targets for the locals?

Joran and other Dutch and Aruban elite get a free pass on Aruba, even for murder. I hope a bunch of tourists at Senor Frogs got an eyefull of what can happen to them when they are not a member of that local clique.

[Dayhiker]

Here is the document (s) filed by the Kalpoes attorneys on 8/15/08 as mentioned in Buckeye's post above.  I have linked it below as a PDF file and have not made screen captures because I believe it's really just more "tit for tat" prior to the 8/28/08 hearing:

Thanks klaas

The Kalpoes best be carefull citing the sporter's confession in their defense. You never know what he will say next.

If this stinker does go to trial I hope it means they can subpoena the Van der Sloots. I am sure they'd like to make another trip to the States, if they can drag Joran out of the whorehouses and opium dens of Thailand.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Here is the document (s) filed by the Kalpoes attorneys on 8/15/08 as mentioned in Buckeye's post above.  I have linked it below as a PDF file and have not made screen captures because I believe it's really just more "tit for tat" prior to the 8/28/08 hearing:

Thanks klaas

The Kalpoes best be carefull citing the sporter's confession in their defense. You never know what he will say next.

If this stinker does go to trial I hope it means they can subpoena the Van der Sloots. I am sure they'd like to make another trip to the States, if they can drag Joran out of the whorehouses and opium dens of Thailand.

Dayhiker...

I must add my two cents here.  I read Anita's recent interview translation and have some thoughts about the "whorehouse and opium dens" stories -

~ Maybe vicious lies or rumors started against the VDS family?

~ Maybe vicious lies or rumors started to enhance any payment to the the VDS family for their suffering on Aruba?

~ Maybe vicious lies or rumors started to enhance the Kalpoe suit?

~ Maybe started by internet trolls? (for whatever reason)

~ Maybe started by Aruban special interest groups?

~ Maybe started by JVDS himself?

~ Maybe started for a new movie?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Does anyone have this old RWV thread saved?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

I am looking for a post by someone named "Mezcal"

TIA...

[Kermit]

Does anyone have this old RWV thread saved?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

I am looking for a post by someone named "Mezcal"

TIA...

not sure if this is what you need:

It was Mezcal, the restaurant owner who comped many a meal to Equusearch and who reacted furiously when the governor called for a boycott.

He said in a message of Oct 19, 2005 2:46: "I personally know 3 bartenders of C&C and ALL 3 of them have stated to the police that this happened. No need in denying it because C&C had the security tapes delivered the next day (the decided nit to wait for a month or two)"
Source: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

COVER-UP BY ARUBA LE AND PROSECUTORS
Bet on it!

[Kermit]

tatoo and dingy were berthed near the airport that night per mezcal. so they would need to go over there in a vehicle, lug the dead body on borad and find the keys to the boat. too many people and too many pssible witnesses. there have ben no witnesses caliming any nocturnal boat ride. the boats show on radar too.

Posted by: iquitos | Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 12:31 AM

[WhiskeyGirl]

Does anyone have this old RWV thread saved?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

I am looking for a post by someone named "Mezcal"

TIA...

not sure if this is what you need:

It was Mezcal, the restaurant owner who comped many a meal to Equusearch and who reacted furiously when the governor called for a boycott.

He said in a message of Oct 19, 2005 2:46: "I personally know 3 bartenders of C&C and ALL 3 of them have stated to the police that this happened. No need in denying it because C&C had the security tapes delivered the next day (the decided nit to wait for a month or two)"
Source: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

COVER-UP BY ARUBA LE AND PROSECUTORS
Bet on it!

Yes Kermit, that is what I was looking for.  I had it saved but wasn't sure of the source.

I was interested in this "No need in denying it because C&C had the security tapes delivered the next day (the decided nit to wait for a month or two)"

Over the years the security tapes from C&C have come up a number of time.  From memory, many have stated the for SOME reason, the security tapes at this C&C were broken/non-functional at the time Natalee & JVDS were there that night.

JVDS mentions the tapes in the GVS interview -

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html
Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any idea what time you actually got out of Deepak's car? Can you estimate that?

VAN DER SLOOT: I can't say exactly when. I don't know exactly when. The only thing I can say for sure is when I was home because that's — you know you said it yourself to me that the most important thing is to look at facts and, you know, those are facts that you can actually say what time you got home, by video footage what time you left Carlos 'n Charlie's. Those are things you can actually, you know, actually really prove.

I believe JVDS stated that Natalee called the bartender over by name.  I wonder if those tapes showed who was serving, what bar, who ordered and who paid?

I wonder what happened to the tapes?

Wasn't C&C the success story that was put on the internet web site of the PR/crisis management company?  The one that was on Aruba to 'help' within like 72 hours after Natalee was known to be missing? 

Thanks Kermit!   

[WhiskeyGirl]

tatoo and dingy were berthed near the airport that night per mezcal. so they would need to go over there in a vehicle, lug the dead body on borad and find the keys to the boat. too many people and too many pssible witnesses. there have ben no witnesses caliming any nocturnal boat ride. the boats show on radar too.

Posted by: iquitos | Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 12:31 AM

Was the Aruba airport a 24/7 operation in May/June of 2005?  Was it closed in the early morning hours?  How many witnesses to boat traffice would there be at the airport?

Did JVDS claim a nocturnal boat ride recently?

With the Soul Beach Festival that ended a few hours earlier, IIRC, there was quite a bit of unusual boat traffic in those days before and after Natalee disappeared.  Was all this traffic accounted for by the radar?

Would there be no witness, or witnesses to many boats?  What about boats from the festival?

What about the power outage the island had several days after Natalee disappeared?  Did it affect the radar?  Could someone have moved a body by boat that night?  Who would see? 

[IBE]

Hello Monkey Family!

Keep up the Good Works

Have missed you,

Love and God Bless,
IBE                                                       

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone have this old RWV thread saved?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

I am looking for a post by someone named "Mezcal"

TIA...

not sure if this is what you need:

It was Mezcal, the restaurant owner who comped many a meal to Equusearch and who reacted furiously when the governor called for a boycott.

He said in a message of Oct 19, 2005 2:46: "I personally know 3 bartenders of C&C and ALL 3 of them have stated to the police that this happened. No need in denying it because C&C had the security tapes delivered the next day (the decided nit to wait for a month or two)"
Source: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

COVER-UP BY ARUBA LE AND PROSECUTORS
Bet on it!

Hey!!!  Kermie...what is the context of this post about the security tapes?  I really would like to read the entire conversation if possible.  Please.

[Lala'sMom]

Hello Monkey Family!

Keep up the Good Works

Have missed you,

Love and God Bless,
IBE                                                       

Hey there!  Glad to see you are okay.  Drop in more often...have missed you.

[Nut44x4]

Aruba: Tourists Beat up by Bouncers at Senor Frogs … Wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot Underage?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/23/aruba-tourists-beat-up-by-bouncers-at-senor-frogs-wasnt-joran-van-der-sloot-underage/


Interestingly enough, wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot underage to drink at Carlos N’ Charlies in 2005 when Joran, Deepak and Satish road off with Natalee Holloway and she was never to be seen again? I do not remember him ever receiving this king of treatment by the security or bouncers. In fact, Aruba knew he was underage and allowed him in casinos and night clubs without any concern. In fact they embraced it. So why is it that tourists would receive a different brand of treatment and justice? Since when does being under age get you a greater beating than, oh … let’s say participating in a homicide?

I had to  @ #13 post in the comments.... LOL
#13 Ray on August 24th, 2008 1:27 am
Any American that will go to aruba now,deserves a beating. Senor Frogs, BEAT HIM ONCE FOR ME.
As far as I care you can beat up every american tourist that comes to your P.O.S. of an island.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

[Blue Moon]

Here is the document (s) filed by the Kalpoes attorneys on 8/15/08 as mentioned in Buckeye's post above.  I have linked it below as a PDF file and have not made screen captures because I believe it's really just more "tit for tat" prior to the 8/28/08 hearing:

Thanks klaas

The Kalpoes best be carefull citing the sporter's confession in their defense. You never know what he will say next.

If this stinker does go to trial I hope it means they can subpoena the Van der Sloots. I am sure they'd like to make another trip to the States, if they can drag Joran out of the whorehouses and opium dens of Thailand.

My guess is he is in Thailand because they will not extradite him anywhere else and he cannot be served in Beth's suit against him. POS he is.

[bleachedblack]

Bahia 8/20/08

So I wonder what happened to VvdS going to college in Mass? I should think he would already have been on his way........classes should be starting.

[bleachedblack]

Cafe Bahia Aug 22

[bleachedblack]

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