Natalee Case Discussion #767 8/5 through 9/9

[texasmom]

Does anyone have this old RWV thread saved?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

I am looking for a post by someone named "Mezcal"

TIA...

not sure if this is what you need:

It was Mezcal, the restaurant owner who comped many a meal to Equusearch and who reacted furiously when the governor called for a boycott.

He said in a message of Oct 19, 2005 2:46: "I personally know 3 bartenders of C&C and ALL 3 of them have stated to the police that this happened. No need in denying it because C&C had the security tapes delivered the next day (the decided nit to wait for a month or two)"
Source: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

COVER-UP BY ARUBA LE AND PROSECUTORS
Bet on it!

Yes Kermit, that is what I was looking for.  I had it saved but wasn't sure of the source.

I was interested in this "No need in denying it because C&C had the security tapes delivered the next day (the decided nit to wait for a month or two)"

Over the years the security tapes from C&C have come up a number of time.  From memory, many have stated the for SOME reason, the security tapes at this C&C were broken/non-functional at the time Natalee & JVDS were there that night.

JVDS mentions the tapes in the GVS interview -

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html
Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any idea what time you actually got out of Deepak's car? Can you estimate that?

VAN DER SLOOT: I can't say exactly when. I don't know exactly when. The only thing I can say for sure is when I was home because that's — you know you said it yourself to me that the most important thing is to look at facts and, you know, those are facts that you can actually say what time you got home, by video footage what time you left Carlos 'n Charlie's. Those are things you can actually, you know, actually really prove.

I believe JVDS stated that Natalee called the bartender over by name.  I wonder if those tapes showed who was serving, what bar, who ordered and who paid?

I wonder what happened to the tapes?

Wasn't C&C the success story that was put on the internet web site of the PR/crisis management company?  The one that was on Aruba to 'help' within like 72 hours after Natalee was known to be missing? 

Thanks Kermit!   

Antonio Carlo, Joran's attorney and Paulus' bossman, use to work at a firm, Sjiem Fat & Co. One of the owners of that firm is Standard Trust Co., who coincidentally is also the managing director of the company that owns C&Cs.

AND

1995 - Carlo Antonio
Before going into private practice in 1995 Mr. Carlo worked as general counsel of a local bank in Aruba and as a government attorney at Aruba government’s Legal Department.

AFCA Members:
Standard Trust Company N.V.
The board of directors of the AFCA for the year 2004-2005 consists of :
Johan P. Sjiem Fat
Officer
Lincoln D. Gomez
President
DIGECELL BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Lincoln D. Gomez


A web of cover-up!

Oh yes...what a tangled web they weave!  Thanks Kermit!   

[texasmom]

We never forget about our girl!

bumped..and bolded!

[Altruist]

Aruba: Tourists Beat up by Bouncers at Senor Frogs … Wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot Underage?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/23/aruba-tourists-beat-up-by-bouncers-at-senor-frogs-wasnt-joran-van-der-sloot-underage/


Interestingly enough, wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot underage to drink at Carlos N’ Charlies in 2005 when Joran, Deepak and Satish road off with Natalee Holloway and she was never to be seen again? I do not remember him ever receiving this king of treatment by the security or bouncers. In fact, Aruba knew he was underage and allowed him in casinos and night clubs without any concern. In fact they embraced it. So why is it that tourists would receive a different brand of treatment and justice? Since when does being under age get you a greater beating than, oh … let’s say participating in a homicide?

I had to  @ #13 post in the comments.... LOL
#13 Ray on August 24th, 2008 1:27 am
Any American that will go to aruba now,deserves a beating. Senor Frogs, BEAT HIM ONCE FOR ME.
As far as I care you can beat up every american tourist that comes to your P.O.S. of an island.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Maybe it's just me...but even if my family had a timeshare in Aruba, if I was one of Natalee's classmates...and I HAD to go there for family reasons...You wouldn't catch me in the club where she disappeared from...much less in the same pic with a Sloot!  JMO
 

Please excuse my ignorance but could you please identify Natalee's classmate in the photo & which one he/she is as I agree with you that one would think Senior Frogs FKA C&C's would NOT BE on a decent persons list of places to frequent IF one had to be on that devils island of perverts, but as I have said previously once Natalee was so mistreated PERVERTS are WHO TRAVEL to SUCH A PLACE OF INDECENCY, no matter what their name.

[MumInOhio]

Does anyone have this old RWV thread saved?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

I am looking for a post by someone named "Mezcal"

TIA...

not sure if this is what you need:

It was Mezcal, the restaurant owner who comped many a meal to Equusearch and who reacted furiously when the governor called for a boycott.

He said in a message of Oct 19, 2005 2:46: "I personally know 3 bartenders of C&C and ALL 3 of them have stated to the police that this happened. No need in denying it because C&C had the security tapes delivered the next day (the decided nit to wait for a month or two)"
Source: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_39.html

COVER-UP BY ARUBA LE AND PROSECUTORS
Bet on it!

Yes Kermit, that is what I was looking for.  I had it saved but wasn't sure of the source.

I was interested in this "No need in denying it because C&C had the security tapes delivered the next day (the decided nit to wait for a month or two)"

Over the years the security tapes from C&C have come up a number of time.  From memory, many have stated the for SOME reason, the security tapes at this C&C were broken/non-functional at the time Natalee & JVDS were there that night.

JVDS mentions the tapes in the GVS interview -

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html
Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any idea what time you actually got out of Deepak's car? Can you estimate that?

VAN DER SLOOT: I can't say exactly when. I don't know exactly when. The only thing I can say for sure is when I was home because that's — you know you said it yourself to me that the most important thing is to look at facts and, you know, those are facts that you can actually say what time you got home, by video footage what time you left Carlos 'n Charlie's. Those are things you can actually, you know, actually really prove.

I believe JVDS stated that Natalee called the bartender over by name.  I wonder if those tapes showed who was serving, what bar, who ordered and who paid?

I wonder what happened to the tapes?

Wasn't C&C the success story that was put on the internet web site of the PR/crisis management company?  The one that was on Aruba to 'help' within like 72 hours after Natalee was known to be missing? 

Thanks Kermit!   

Antonio Carlo, Joran's attorney and Paulus' bossman, use to work at a firm, Sjiem Fat & Co. One of the owners of that firm is Standard Trust Co., who coincidentally is also the managing director of the company that owns C&Cs.

AND

1995 - Carlo Antonio
Before going into private practice in 1995 Mr. Carlo worked as general counsel of a local bank in Aruba and as a government attorney at Aruba government’s Legal Department.

AFCA Members:
Standard Trust Company N.V.
The board of directors of the AFCA for the year 2004-2005 consists of :
Johan P. Sjiem Fat
Officer
Lincoln D. Gomez
President
DIGECELL BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Lincoln D. Gomez


A web of cover-up!

Oh yes...what a tangled web they weave!  Thanks Kermit!   

These are what I found from a website that the post was dated October 20th. 2005…Sorry I can’t link…it is one of those sites….Will look through my notes on Lincoln Gomez and see what I have.


CARLOS'N CHARLIE'S ARUBA
Business address WESTSTRAAT 3-A, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company JOBEM N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 25 SEPTEMBER 1990
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00


DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
VARGAS GONZALEZ, KARINA ELIZABETH;
Residing in WESTSTRAAT 3-A, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in MEXICO, ACAPULCO, GRO. on 10 SEPTEMBER 1973
Nationality MEXICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL

SALGADO CARRANZA, JORGE ROBERTO;
Residing in PASEO POK-TA-POK LOTE 4-5, ZONA HOTELERA, CANCUN, QUINTANA ROO, 77500, MEXICO
Born in MEXICO, CULIACAN, SINALOA on 11 AUGUST 1953
Nationality MEXICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL

LEVY-NACAM, ALBERTO;
Residing in SAN BARBOLA 224, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in MEXICO, MEXICO CITY on 23 MARCH 1962
Nationality AMERICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL



STANDARD TRUST COMPANY N.V. STANDARD TRUST COMPANY N.V.
Business address EMANSTRAAT 49-A, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
 
Name of the company STANDARD TRUST COMPANY N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 26 SEPTEMBER 1978
Last amendment in the articles 20 JUNE 1988
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
SJIEM FAT, JOHAN PAUL;
Residing in HERMAN GORTERSTRAAT 12, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 25 DECEMBER 1954
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 2 SEPTEMBER 1978

Authority FULL
WEVER, GELOU CHARLENE;
Residing in KEITO 15-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 17 MAY 1970
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 5 SEPTEMBER 1997
Authority FULL

KUSTER, ALLAN FRANZ;
Residing in WABISTRAAT 16, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 6 DECEMBER 1976
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 1 JANUARY 2005
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
A. TO RENDER MEDIATION AT THE INCORPORATION AND THE EXPANSION OF CORPORATIONS AND ENTERPRISES;
B. TO EXERCISE MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN OTHER CORPORATIONS AND/OR ENTERPRISES;
C. TO LOOK AFTER THE FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF THIRD PARTIES;
D. TO REPRESENT AND TO PRESERVE AS TRUSTEE THE RIGHTS AND INTERESTS OF THE CREDITORS AND IF NECESSARY TO PLACE IN ITS NAME REAL RIGHTS IN FAVOR OF THE CREDITORS AND TO HOLD ASSETS AS SECURITY;
E. TO ACT AS ADMINISTRATOR, EXECUTRIX, RECEIVER, MANAGER, TRUSTEE OR THIRD PARTY;
F. TO LOOK AFTER THE INTERESTS OF THIRD PARTIES;
G. TO PERFORM ACCOUNTING DUTIES FOR THIRD PARTIES;
H. TO GIVE ADVICE IN THE AREA OF FISCAL LAW AND TO HANDLE TAX MATTERS;
J. TO PERFORM EVERY ACTION OF MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION IN FAVOR OF THIRD PARTIES;
K. TO REPRESENT, MANAGE AS WELL AS TO ACT AS LIQUIDATOR OF ARUBA EXEMPT CORPORATIONS OR EITHER OF CORPORATIONS STATUTORILY ESTABLISHED IN ARUBA AND EXEMPTED BY ARUBAN LAW OF PROFIT TAX.
OR EITHER OF CORPORATIONS STATUTORILY ESTABLISHED IN ARUBA AND EXEMPTED BY ARUBAN LAW OF PROFIT TAX.

[MumInOhio]

Aruba: Tourists Beat up by Bouncers at Senor Frogs … Wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot Underage?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/23/aruba-tourists-beat-up-by-bouncers-at-senor-frogs-wasnt-joran-van-der-sloot-underage/


Interestingly enough, wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot underage to drink at Carlos N’ Charlies in 2005 when Joran, Deepak and Satish road off with Natalee Holloway and she was never to be seen again? I do not remember him ever receiving this king of treatment by the security or bouncers. In fact, Aruba knew he was underage and allowed him in casinos and night clubs without any concern. In fact they embraced it. So why is it that tourists would receive a different brand of treatment and justice? Since when does being under age get you a greater beating than, oh … let’s say participating in a homicide?

I had to  @ #13 post in the comments.... LOL
#13 Ray on August 24th, 2008 1:27 am
Any American that will go to aruba now,deserves a beating. Senor Frogs, BEAT HIM ONCE FOR ME.
As far as I care you can beat up every american tourist that comes to your P.O.S. of an island.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Maybe it's just me...but even if my family had a timeshare in Aruba, if I was one of Natalee's classmates...and I HAD to go there for family reasons...You wouldn't catch me in the club where she disappeared from...much less in the same pic with a Sloot!  JMO
 

Please excuse my ignorance but could you please identify Natalee's classmate in the photo & which one he/she is as I agree with you that one would think Senior Frogs FKA C&C's would NOT BE on a decent persons list of places to frequent IF one had to be on that devils island of perverts, but as I have said previously once Natalee was so mistreated PERVERTS are WHO TRAVEL to SUCH A PLACE OF INDECENCY, no matter what their name.

Altruist...I am not positive, but I think the one on the far right is Haleigh Uncalpher. Can't find a pic to compare in a quick search, and am going on the fact that it was reported her family had a timeshare on Aruba. If I get a chance later I will check Shango for the pics.

Pretty sure some-one will correct me if I have this wrong...LOL...I hope so!

[johan555]

here is our valentijn

[texasmom]

Aruba: Tourists Beat up by Bouncers at Senor Frogs … Wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot Underage?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/23/aruba-tourists-beat-up-by-bouncers-at-senor-frogs-wasnt-joran-van-der-sloot-underage/


Interestingly enough, wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot underage to drink at Carlos N’ Charlies in 2005 when Joran, Deepak and Satish road off with Natalee Holloway and she was never to be seen again? I do not remember him ever receiving this king of treatment by the security or bouncers. In fact, Aruba knew he was underage and allowed him in casinos and night clubs without any concern. In fact they embraced it. So why is it that tourists would receive a different brand of treatment and justice? Since when does being under age get you a greater beating than, oh … let’s say participating in a homicide?

I had to  @ #13 post in the comments.... LOL
#13 Ray on August 24th, 2008 1:27 am
Any American that will go to aruba now,deserves a beating. Senor Frogs, BEAT HIM ONCE FOR ME.
As far as I care you can beat up every american tourist that comes to your P.O.S. of an island.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Maybe it's just me...but even if my family had a timeshare in Aruba, if I was one of Natalee's classmates...and I HAD to go there for family reasons...You wouldn't catch me in the club where she disappeared from...much less in the same pic with a Sloot!  JMO
 

Please excuse my ignorance but could you please identify Natalee's classmate in the photo & which one he/she is as I agree with you that one would think Senior Frogs FKA C&C's would NOT BE on a decent persons list of places to frequent IF one had to be on that devils island of perverts, but as I have said previously once Natalee was so mistreated PERVERTS are WHO TRAVEL to SUCH A PLACE OF INDECENCY, no matter what their name.

Altruist...I am not positive, but I think the one on the far right is Haleigh Uncalpher. Can't find a pic to compare in a quick search, and am going on the fact that it was reported her family had a timeshare on Aruba. If I get a chance later I will check Shango for the pics.

Pretty sure some-one will correct me if I have this wrong...LOL...I hope so!

Thanks Mum, that's who I believe it is..not sure about who those are with her.  I have several pics of Haleigh and her sister in Senor Frogs(formerly Carlos'n Charlie's)...and also have pics of Haleigh in Bahia, as well as Valentijn; although not in the same shot...on the same night this pic was taken.  The man behind Haleigh is in a lot of pics with her and her sister, if anyone knows who he is; please post it.  I can post more this evening if someone else doesn't..but I've got to get my day started at work.  Have a great day Monkeys!
 

[MumInOhio]

Bahia 8/20/08

So I wonder what happened to VvdS going to college in Mass? I should think he would already have been on his way........classes should be starting.

If he and Maki Wiggins are still planning on going to Emerson College...they still have a few days left to party before leaving.  Probably a lot of "going away" celebrations!

http://www.emerson.edu/registrar/upload/Academic-Calendar-2008-2009-8-20.pdf

TM...Do you have any info on Maki Wiggins? I know you posted a little while back about Graduation, but I guess I didn't catch the Wiggins name. TIA

[texasmom]

Bahia 8/20/08

So I wonder what happened to VvdS going to college in Mass? I should think he would already have been on his way........classes should be starting.

If he and Maki Wiggins are still planning on going to Emerson College...they still have a few days left to party before leaving.  Probably a lot of "going away" celebrations!

http://www.emerson.edu/registrar/upload/Academic-Calendar-2008-2009-8-20.pdf

TM...Do you have any info on Maki Wiggins? I know you posted a little while back about Graduation, but I guess I didn't catch the Wiggins name. TIA

Yes, lots at home Mum! 
Son of Marcus Wiggins, Owner of the Tattoo.  The Tattoo never changed ownership either according to an article I have.  Windsurfer/Kitesurfer?  One of those...even took some pics that CNN ran of a windsurfer during a hurricane a year or so ago.  He received an award at graduation, some kind of "cup"...I've got that picture too!  He and Valentijn were the most recognized of their class.  I've also got some Model UN pics with Maki, but apparently Valentijn didn't participate in that this year.  That's what I can remember without my computer. 

[MumInOhio]

Bahia 8/20/08

So I wonder what happened to VvdS going to college in Mass? I should think he would already have been on his way........classes should be starting.

If he and Maki Wiggins are still planning on going to Emerson College...they still have a few days left to party before leaving.  Probably a lot of "going away" celebrations!

http://www.emerson.edu/registrar/upload/Academic-Calendar-2008-2009-8-20.pdf

TM...Do you have any info on Maki Wiggins? I know you posted a little while back about Graduation, but I guess I didn't catch the Wiggins name. TIA

Yes, lots at home Mum! 
Son of Marcus Wiggins, Owner of the Tattoo.  The Tattoo never changed ownership either according to an article I have.  Windsurfer/Kitesurfer?  One of those...even took some pics that CNN ran of a windsurfer during a hurricane a year or so ago.  He received an award at graduation, some kind of "cup"...I've got that picture too!  He and Valentijn were the most recognized of their class.  I've also got some Model UN pics with Maki, but apparently Valentijn didn't participate in that this year.  That's what I can remember without my computer. 

TM...Thanks...All these Father and son combos are starting to get to me!!! Will check my notes on Marcus Wiggins. Do you recall a discussion a while back in the Forum about the reasons that Wiggins would lie for Steve Croes? I have searched for it a couple of times and couldn't find it. TIA

Mexcal...found some FP posts from Mexcal and also did a google search. I couldn't read some of the sites I went to and am pretty sure that I don't want to. No idea if it was the same Mexcal posting at these sites, but on one there was a poster "Sloot". I bookmarked the SM site, but if anyone wants to check out the others, in particular the one with Sloot I can find it.

[yapperz1]

Hiya Monkeys

[Lala'sMom]

Hiya Monkeys

Thanks for the photo Yapp...I have been looking for one where she is standing with Natalee...I can't find it any more.  That says a mouthful without saying one word.  Talk about a slap in the face...why am I not surprised?

[Lala'sMom]

I guess I should add that Uncapher was not really hanging around Natalee that much on the trip.  It is evident that she had little information during the FBI interview.  She claimed she didn't see Natalee very much while on the trip.  I think the real interesting thing here is being in a photo like that and knowing Val is standing right there too.  Hmmmm.  Time flies when you have a timeshare...

[Dolce]

OMG I can not believe she could be so callus, and then to post them on the web..I mean duh of course the Monkey's are going to get a hold of the pics!!  Beth needs to b*tchsmack that girl.

On another note, did someone mention that C&C was sending video of the beating to police?  Well, um where is all the video of Nat from the infamous night?  Is that available for public view and investigation? 

[dennisintn]

OMG I can not believe she could be so callus, and then to post them on the web..I mean duh of course the Monkey's are going to get a hold of the pics!!  Beth needs to b*tchsmack that girl.

On another note, did someone mention that C&C was sending video of the beating to police?  Well, um where is all the video of Nat from the infamous night?  Is that available for public view and investigation? 

assuming that there was a video that night, if it show natalee in a bad light or doing something that would make her look complicit in what happened to her, you can believe that we would have seen it on every newscast available from holland to washington state.   if the video show jvds, the minor, doing anything remotely suspicious, it will never be seen.
dennisintn

[Lala'sMom]

OMG I can not believe she could be so callus, and then to post them on the web..I mean duh of course the Monkey's are going to get a hold of the pics!!  Beth needs to b*tchsmack that girl.

On another note, did someone mention that C&C was sending video of the beating to police?  Well, um where is all the video of Nat from the infamous night?  Is that available for public view and investigation? 

assuming that there was a video that night, if it show natalee in a bad light or doing something that would make her look complicit in what happened to her, you can believe that we would have seen it on every newscast available from holland to washington state.   if the video show jvds, the minor, doing anything remotely suspicious, it will never be seen.
dennisintn

Liability.

[johan555]

Ben Vocking- Aruban public ministry official and close friend of Paulus van der Sloot " blocked "the search of the Van der Sloot property

Ben Vocking, also known as Ben King, is an Aruba public ministry official who worked with the prosecutor's office and was the former head of KIA prison on the island. Ben Vocking curiously took a leave of absence from his government job the day after Natalee Holloway disappeared to help his friend Paulus Van der Sloot as he dealt with his son's apparent participation in her disappearance. Joran Van der Sloot was arrested on suspicion of murder on June 9, 2005. Vocking laid low for two weeks purportedly staying at the Van der Sloot residence. He surfaced on June 15, 2005 at the door of the Van der Sloot home with Dutch Judge Bob Wit to block the search of the Van der Sloot property when the police and prosecution authorities arrived with a full search warrant. Vocking and Wit successfully limited the search of the Van der Sloot main residence and property to Joran's small apartment only. They would do so again two weeks later when the father, Paulus van der Sloot, was arrested on suspicion of murder. Why would a government official and friend of two murder suspects be allowed to intermingle and co-conspire with a judge to block a search of their residence? This is just one more piece of evidence that strongly suggests widespread corruption in the case.

my question is: how is it possible that a former head of KIA can block a house search ?
I think a judge give a order to search a house ,the position of a former head of the Kia is lower in order
Was judge Bob Wit also at the house at that moment ?
Who give the order to search the whole house ?
Why only Joran's small room ? When someone is a suspect in a murder case you have to search his whole domain and not only a part .
Was Paulas also at home at that time ? What had he or Joran  to hide ?

[SS]

I guess I should add that Uncapher was not really hanging around Natalee that much on the trip.  It is evident that she had little information during the FBI interview.  She claimed she didn't see Natalee very much while on the trip.  I think the real interesting thing here is being in a photo like that and knowing Val is standing right there too.  Hmmmm.  Time flies when you have a timeshare...

It is Haleigh Uncapher.  I am shocked that she would be in a picture in front of Val.  Even if she didn't know he was in the picture, she obviously knew he was in the club that night.  I wouldn't have been able to walk into that building.  Wasn't it Haleigh who was supposed to have introduced Natalee and some of the MB students to Lorenzo in 2005 because she knew him from previous trips to the island?  Haleigh, that photograph with Val is shameful.  Perhaps someone could send the picture to the local Mountain Brook newspaper.

[MumInOhio]

Aruba: Tourists Beat up by Bouncers at Senor Frogs … Wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot Underage?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/23/aruba-tourists-beat-up-by-bouncers-at-senor-frogs-wasnt-joran-van-der-sloot-underage/


Interestingly enough, wasn’t Joran Van der Sloot underage to drink at Carlos N’ Charlies in 2005 when Joran, Deepak and Satish road off with Natalee Holloway and she was never to be seen again? I do not remember him ever receiving this king of treatment by the security or bouncers. In fact, Aruba knew he was underage and allowed him in casinos and night clubs without any concern. In fact they embraced it. So why is it that tourists would receive a different brand of treatment and justice? Since when does being under age get you a greater beating than, oh … let’s say participating in a homicide?

I had to  @ #13 post in the comments.... LOL
#13 Ray on August 24th, 2008 1:27 am
Any American that will go to aruba now,deserves a beating. Senor Frogs, BEAT HIM ONCE FOR ME.
As far as I care you can beat up every american tourist that comes to your P.O.S. of an island.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Maybe it's just me...but even if my family had a timeshare in Aruba, if I was one of Natalee's classmates...and I HAD to go there for family reasons...You wouldn't catch me in the club where she disappeared from...much less in the same pic with a Sloot!  JMO
 

Please excuse my ignorance but could you please identify Natalee's classmate in the photo & which one he/she is as I agree with you that one would think Senior Frogs FKA C&C's would NOT BE on a decent persons list of places to frequent IF one had to be on that devils island of perverts, but as I have said previously once Natalee was so mistreated PERVERTS are WHO TRAVEL to SUCH A PLACE OF INDECENCY, no matter what their name.

Altruist...I am not positive, but I think the one on the far right is Haleigh Uncalpher. Can't find a pic to compare in a quick search, and am going on the fact that it was reported her family had a timeshare on Aruba. If I get a chance later I will check Shango for the pics.

Pretty sure some-one will correct me if I have this wrong...LOL...I hope so!

Thanks Mum, that's who I believe it is..not sure about who those are with her.  I have several pics of Haleigh and her sister in Senor Frogs(formerly Carlos'n Charlie's)...and also have pics of Haleigh in Bahia, as well as Valentijn; although not in the same shot...on the same night this pic was taken.  The man behind Haleigh is in a lot of pics with her and her sister, if anyone knows who he is; please post it.  I can post more this evening if someone else doesn't..but I've got to get my day started at work.  Have a great day Monkeys!
 

TM...I went back and checked the famous pic, thread 3 Shango around page 45...But I don't think it is him...It was just a thought!

[MumInOhio]

I guess I should add that Uncapher was not really hanging around Natalee that much on the trip.  It is evident that she had little information during the FBI interview.  She claimed she didn't see Natalee very much while on the trip.  I think the real interesting thing here is being in a photo like that and knowing Val is standing right there too.  Hmmmm.  Time flies when you have a timeshare...

It is Haleigh Uncapher.  I am shocked that she would be in a picture in front of Val.  Even if she didn't know he was in the picture, she obviously knew he was in the club that night.  I wouldn't have been able to walk into that building.  Wasn't it Haleigh who was supposed to have introduced Natalee and some of the MB students to Lorenzo in 2005 because she knew him from previous trips to the island?  Haleigh, that photograph with Val is shameful.  Perhaps someone could send the picture to the local Mountain Brook newspaper.

SS...I feel the same way...Read TM's post...Bahai as well!

Thanks TM, Yap and Lala's...