Natalee Case Discussion #767 8/5 through 9/9

[MumInOhio]

Anita...This is for you...Time to wake up and smell the roses...

Rick on June 11th, 2005 9:04 pm

THEORY ON NATALEE’S DISAPPEARANCE:

After looking at Joran’s now-removed websites on Tickle.com and MSN.com, the picture I got from him was a hard-partying kid who liked misogynistic rap music (his favorite was “Candy Store” by 50 Cent. Look up the lyrics if youre interested, but it’s all about degrading a woman who performs oral sex on the singer)… who fancied himself a gangsta/playa as evidenced by the numerous photos he posted of himself with girls, flashing make-believe gang signs.

I then heard the report on FOX from a DIARIO reporter who said that Joran was known to have anger management problems, something which he heard from several sources.

This to me is a euphemism for him having had problems with fighting, assault - and that he was either receiving professional treatment or punishment.

I then read the confirmed report that Joran was in a near-fight/shoving match with some of Natalee’s classmates…

And putting that all together, it seems rather likely that the kid has a very short fuse, and that he is obsessed with looking like a womanizing, heterosexual player…

Knowing that they took Natalee in his car, Joran in the back with Natalee, and his two friends in the front seat- it would have been not just embarassing - but it would likely have INFURIATED Joran - if Natalee refused him.

Flash back to the photo of Joran on his website, where he has a belt wrapped around a shirtless kid’s neck, Joran grinning, while the other kid looked pained…

.. And a scenario of assault, choking, rape - seems like a pretty likely outcome.

And if he did choke her to death, and knew he’d been seen leaving C&C with her, he’d have to come up with an alibi.

And a good alibi which couldn’t be checked would be to blame one of the faceless black security guards at that weekends music festival - knowing they were already off the island and that they wore all-black uniforms, whereas the HI security did not.

I believe Joran confessed, as Police Commissioner Dompig said there was one confession - His mother was at the police station that evening, visibly upset, and he seems like the likely candidate given his alleged history and the fact that he had befriended Natalee the day before and was her ‘friend’ - sitting with her in the back of the car as well.

That’s my theory - I havent read any reports that would disprove it, though Im sure there is much more to the story…

[wreck]

Does anyone know anything about this Jaime? Pretty sure the spelling is Velasquez.  From the FP...Sorry I didn't grab the link...TIA

Carol Armstrong on February 16th, 2008 7:00 pm

Anyone know who Jamie Velasquez (sp?) is?

Does anyone know if Jamie Velasquez knows Joran van der Sloot?

Does anyone know if Jamie Valasquez worked for a beach rental company (banana boat) in Aruba?
 
Does anyone know if Jamine Valasquez still lives in Aruba?

Does anyone know if Jamie Valasquez has (or had) a boat license in Aruba?

Does anyone know if Jamie has been questioned by the police?

OK, who is this guy?

That's what I would like to know, Lala's...I have the name Velasquez in my notes, though not Jamie....where is SS???

For wreck...

Amy has this news (not confirmed)

Blood has been found in the silver Honda Civic impounded Thursday by officials, this car is supposedly owned by the suspect detained in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot.
The biological parents of Natalee Holloway had supposedly taken blood tests yesterday, to confirm if the blood found in the car is indeed from Natalee. The results are known. Hopefully this will be revealed in the press conference of this morning at 10 AM. This news is yet to be confirmed TOM - It was not confirmed at the press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-sat-june-11/#comments


Can anyone help with the name of the Judge on 6/11 and the one whose plane was delayed two weeks later, please? TIA

Yes, i still think it is/was joran's car -- but, in this instance are they referring to the suspct (joran) or merely one of the suspects (meaning deepak)?

Wreck...I read this as Joran's car...he is the only suspect mentioned.

You're right! I read that too fast!!! Good catch! 

[johan555]

Posted by Jonathan45 at BFN:

JoranVDS is indeed a student at the Assumption University in Ayutthaya ,Thailand. A city, 50 miles north of Bangkok. This was the first international university in Thailand. They have a website.


My source is a reliable connection at the same university. In June 2008 I already tracked down IPnumbers in Bangkok and Ayutthaya from which Joran was also surfing on Scrux II.

I don't believe that at all,Joran is in Den Dolder
They want that we > think he is in Thailand 

[johan555]

AMSTERDAM - revealing broadcast of Peter R. de Vries, crimereporter  has been nominated for an Emmy Award.

Photo: BLUE, AB


Last week it was already clear that the globally famous reportage by the finalists Saturday, but now the official nomination is a fact. On Monday, 22 september, during a festive gala evening in New York known whether Peter R. de Vries the golden statuette actually receive it can take.

The geruchtmakende broadcast in which Joran van der Sloot known to the disappearance of Natalee Hollowaybetrokken in the U.S., has been nominated in the category Current Affairs. In addition to this broadcast of Peter R. de Vries, misdaadverslaggeverdingen three other productions from Canada, Brazil and Qatar bring to the international Emmy Award.

Peter R. de Vries is pleased with the official nomination: "In making such a report you're absolutely not concerned with things like win prizes. Of course I knew that the impact of the reportage would be great, but it is a nomination for an Emmy Award would provide is a very nice surprise and an expression of recognition. "

[MumInOhio]

Johan, CAPS said the Lions of Aruba had their own cemetary.  Do you have a picture of that????  Thanking you in advance.

Johan...can you help with this, please...Thanks in Advance...

[johan555]

Were is that cemetary mum ?

[MumInOhio]

Were is that cemetary mum ?

 

Johan...I don't know, for sure, but I thought it was by the capital or a church. Maybe Always1 knows more.

[johan555]

i try to find that cemetary mum

[MumInOhio]

i try to find that cemetary mum

Thanks Johan...

O/T... Missing Persons...

11 year-old Marizali Aponti has returned home safely 

[Lala'sMom]

Johan, CAPS said the Lions of Aruba had their own cemetary.  Do you have a picture of that????  Thanking you in advance.

Johan...can you help with this, please...Thanks in Advance...

Maybe Caps would give us a shout out and tell us the location? 

[johan555]

there is a lions club and a rotary club  with bobo's  VIP's 

[always 1]

I am here, the Cementary is in Orangestead.

[carpe noctem]

Also - another automobile fatality in Aruba.  Erwin M. Clemencia, born in Curacao 1951:


http://www.awe24.com/

Dialuna madruga a drenta informe di un accidente basta serio cu a sosode riba e caminda principal di Oranjestad pa Sanicolas na altura di e bahada pa Mahuma, A solicita presencia di ambulans cu urgencia y tambe a pidi pa e cuerpo di rescate di bombero. A bin resulta cu un auto deportivo cu 2 hoben aden tabata bayendo pariba y a pasa varios auto cu un velocidad basta halto y na cierto momento a topa cu un auto di famia bayendo pabao. E impacto tabata fuerte y a activa e airbag di e auto di famia cual e chofer E.C. no tabata tin su faha di seguridad bisti y a asina ela bay dal basta duro riba e stuurwiel cual lo a dune multiple fracturanan y a haya tambe sangramento interno. E hobennan den e auto deportivo tambe a resulta herida y a ser transporta cu ambulans pa Hospital.Mientras e otro chofer a keda pega den e auto y tabata tin mester di e equipo di rescate a corta e auto pa asina logra saca e chofer. Durante di e proceso di corta e auto pa saca e victima a descubri cu e chofer a fayece na e sitio di accidente mes. Dr yagua a presenta y a constata morto di Erwin M. Clemencia naci na Curacao 25 di decmber 1951 y cu tabata biba na Caya Juancho Kock 42. E victima tabata atende cu compania di Seguridad y diadomingo anochi e tabata encarga cu seguridad durante e evento di Sparkling Tour y na momento di e accidente e tabata rumbo pa su cas. Nos ta manda palabranan di profundo condolencia na famianan di e fayecido.

Holey moley!  If I lived in Aruba, I think I would buy stock in bandages and funeral directors.  I definitely would not buy stock in security.

I pray that those involved in this accident and their families can find the strength they need to bring them all peace.

It has a few dings in it ...


but in Aruba, that is considered a DANDY OLD RIDE.


I'll take it!

 

[johan555]

also safe on the road there carpe 

[Rob]

this came in the mail today - and it going right back

[Pita]

Posted at BFN by GBMW.....

Can someone that can post on SM please post something there for me?

Johan555 would like to know where he can find the Dutch article & BT scanned the article from Red....this is the link:

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=8240&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2600

Hope someone can help me out?

[johan555]

What do we know about this girl ?
and who is Fernando VIANA?



Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.

PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

[Lala'sMom]

Posted by Jonathan45 at BFN:

JoranVDS is indeed a student at the Assumption University in Ayutthaya ,Thailand. A city, 50 miles north of Bangkok. This was the first international university in Thailand. They have a website.


My source is a reliable connection at the same university. In June 2008 I already tracked down IPnumbers in Bangkok and Ayutthaya from which Joran was also surfing on Scrux II.

I don't believe that at all,Joran is in Den Dolder
They want that we > think he is in Thailand 

You are certain about this?

[Lala'sMom]

I am here, the Cementary is in Orangestead.

Do you happen to know the exact name of the cemetery?  Is it exclusive to Lions memeber only and are we talking like International Lions Clubs?  Or is this a private club for Aruba only? 

[always 1]

lALA - CAPS said it was given to the Lions.  He called it "the Lodge Cemetary"