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« on: July 24, 2008, 04:44:58 PM »

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/24/obama-urges-renewed-alliance-with-europe-in-berlin-speech/



Obama Urges Renewed Alliance With Europe in Berlin Speech
by FOXNews.com
Thursday, July 24, 2008
 

Barack Obama, summoning images from the Cold War, told a Berlin audience Thursday that America and Europe cannot let new walls divide them as they face down common threats.

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee spoke before a crowd of 200,000 people, according to police estimates. It was the first major speech of his overseas trip, and it drew his largest audience to date.

Expectations were high, and he was already under criticism from Republicans for staging what they said amounted to a campaign rally in Germany.

The Obama campaign pitched the address as a speech on trans-Atlantic relations, and the Illinois senator hit that theme hard.

“We cannot afford to be divided,” Obama said, urging Americans and Europeans to renew an alliance that has soured in recent years. “… the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another. The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand.”

Obama called on European support to help the United States battle terrorists in Afghanistan and stop the spread of nuclear weapons. He likened the battle against extremism to their fight against communism.

“This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it,” he said.

Obama pointedly acknowledged and criticized the distrust that exists between some in Europe and the United States.

“In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help us make it right, has become all too common. In America, there are voices that deride and deny the importance of Europe’s role in our security and our future,” he said.

“Both views miss the truth — that Europeans today are bearing new burdens and taking more responsibility in critical parts of the world; and that just as American bases built in the last century still help to defend the security of this continent, so does our country still sacrifice greatly for freedom around the globe.”

He said neither the U.S. nor Europe can “turn inward” as they face common challenges.

He spoke in front of the Tiergarten’s 226-foot-high Victory Column. Throngs of onlookers held Obama signs and chanted “Yes We Can!” as he casually strolled to the podium at the start of his speech.

The crowd cheered when Obama talked about bringing the Iraq war to a close. And he called on Europeans to join in the fight against global warming, AIDS and human rights abuses in Africa and Asia.

“People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time,” he said.

Earlier, he sought to limit comparisons to famous speeches that Presidents John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan made in Berlin during the Cold War.

“They were presidents, I am a citizen,” he told reporters ahead of the speech, claiming the event was not a political rally.

John McCain, meanwhile, visited a German restaurant in Columbus, Ohio, where he poked fun at Obama.

“I’d love to give a speech in Germany. But I’d much prefer to do it as president of the United States rather than as a candidate for president,” McCain told reporters.


Indeed, Obama’s speech cannot be delivered outside the context of his candidacy, said Linda Hobgood, director of the Speech Center in the Department of Rhetoric and Communication Studies at the University of Richmond.

“To get that crowd size and those backdrops … it does give you pause. Who is he appealing to who is not going to vote for him already? Which voters will come over to him by virtue of this moment, by virtue of this speech situation? To tell you the truth, I can’t come up with too many,” Hobgood said, calling it “absolutely” a campaign speech.

“Would he have been there if he wasn’t a candidate … if he had lost to Senator (Hillary) Clinton?” she asked.

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds called the event a “premature victory lap.”

“Barack Obama offered eloquent praise for this country, but the contrast is clear. John McCain has dedicated his life to serving, improving and protecting America. Barack Obama spent an afternoon talking about it,” he said in a statement.


The Berlin address came toward the end of a high-profile overseas trip that has taken him to Afghanistan and Iraq, and then to Jordan, Israel and the West Bank. Along the way he met with U.S. troops and several foreign dignitaries including Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and on Thursday German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Their meeting featured “very open” and wide-ranging talks, Merkel spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm said in a statement issued after the hourlong session. Obama and Merkel also stressed the “great significance of close and friendly German-American relations,” he said.

Other topics included Pakistan, the Middle East peace process, the trans-Atlantic economic partnership, the global economy and “the need for cooperation on the international level and in international organizations to solve important global questions,” Wilhelm said.

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 10:40:23 PM »

What the mass media will NOT tell you, however, is exactly why such a crowd showed up.  Attendees were treated to a free rock concert, free bratwurst, and FREE BEER. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 12:03:12 AM »

Hi Steve,

What is the source of your comment re bratwurst and beer?

Thank you, Louise
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 12:17:22 AM »

Hi Steve,

What is the source of your comment re bratwurst and beer?

Thank you, Louise

Hi Louise! I'm not Steve, but I did hear the free beer comment on CBS's coverage of Obama's speech. I tried to find it in print briefly, and came up with this:

excerpted from an article with this link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080724/pl_nm/usa_obama_germany_dc

His comments were cheered by a huge crowd, some wearing Obama badges, t-shirts with the campaign slogan "Yes We Can" and carrying American flags. A reggae band played and people gulped down beer under clear skies in a summertime party atmosphere.

Not exactly what you were looking for, but thought I'd share it. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 01:32:10 AM »

Thank you, CBB.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 11:19:20 AM »

From the translator at Babelfish -

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It prevailed to party tendency. With beer and small sausage above all many recent spectators and families waited strained for the appearance of the US president shank candidate. First Patrice and the GermanIrish volume Reamonn played their largest hits. Why straight so many Germans came specially because of it, only few could explain. „It brings somewhat freshness and new into the policy “or „if it the next president of the USA becomes, then I it at least times live saw “were only some, but nevertheless very frequent answers.


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Before the hotel cut Carl clay/tone at the Potsdamer place have then also still Passanten the luck to meet Obama completely unexpectedly - in Jogging suit and trainers. A small excursion in the Fitness studio and the Wellness range, where Obama probably recovers a little for the large appearance in the evening at the victory column. Before that already in the afternoon thousands met. To the folk festival with fried sausage, beer, Obama shirt, two somewhat small guessed canvases - and a stage for the superstar from America.

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 10:37:02 PM »

If you would like, send me the original German. Babelfish is pretty good but I can refine it better. I took four years of German in school but ya know -- I cannot speak German. But I can read it pretty well.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2008, 10:35:27 PM »

I saw this on Fox news the other morning getting ready for work.  Many attended for the free concert, food and beer.  I'll have to see if I can find it in print as well.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2008, 11:13:46 AM »

I saw it too Dihannah, on FOX news.

My son (all of age 20) made the remark yesterday that he likens Obama to Paris Hilton, an instant celebrity with form over substance.

Thank heavens he's a critical thinker but then he also made the remark that he cannot understand men who toss their wives for "trophy ho's" at middle age, something I'm not sure is appreciated either by some on this forum.


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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2008, 05:32:08 PM »

The links in my post go to the original German site, in German.

I use the German Google at - http://www.google.de/

Looks like the English version, works the same way.  Also the following are handy -

www.google.nl (Dutch)
www.google.fr (France)
www.google.ca (Canada)
www.google.co.uk (United Kingdom)
www.google.it (Italy)
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2008, 06:10:23 PM »

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One world? Obama's on a different planet

By John Bolton  July 27, 2008

Senator Barack Obama said in an interview the day after his Berlin speech that it "allowed me to send a message to the American people that the judgments I have made and the judgments I will make are ones that are going to result in them being safer."

If that is what the senator thought he was doing, he still has a lot to learn about both foreign policy and the views of the American people. Although well received in the Tiergarten, the Obama speech actually reveals an even more naive view of the world than we had previously been treated to in the United States. In addition, although most of the speech was substantively as content-free as his other campaign pronouncements, when substance did slip in, it was truly radical, from an American perspective.

These troubling comments were not widely reported in the generally adulatory media coverage given the speech, but they nonetheless deserve intense scrutiny. It remains to be seen whether these glimpses into Obama's thinking will have any impact on the presidential campaign, but clearly they were not casual remarks. This speech, intended to generate the enormous publicity it in fact received, reflects his campaign's carefully calibrated political thinking. Accordingly, there should be no evading the implications of his statements. Consider just the following two examples.

First, urging greater U.S.-European cooperation, Obama said, "The burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together." Having earlier proclaimed himself "a fellow citizen of the world" with his German hosts, Obama explained that the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Europe proved "that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one."

Perhaps Obama needs a remedial course in Cold War history, but the Berlin Wall most certainly did not come down because "the world stood as one." The wall fell because of a decades-long, existential struggle against one of the greatest totalitarian ideologies mankind has ever faced. It was a struggle in which strong and determined U.S. leadership was constantly questioned, both in Europe and by substantial segments of the senator's own Democratic Party. In Germany in the later years of the Cold War, Ostpolitik -- "eastern politics," a policy of rapprochement rather than resistance -- continuously risked a split in the Western alliance and might have allowed communism to survive. The U.S. president who made the final successful assault on communism, Ronald Reagan, was derided by many in Europe as not very bright, too unilateralist and too provocative.

But there are larger implications to Obama's rediscovery of the "one world" concept, first announced in the U.S. by Wendell Willkie, the failed Republican 1940 presidential nominee, and subsequently buried by the Cold War's realities.

The successes Obama refers to in his speech -- the defeat of Nazism, the Berlin airlift and the collapse of communism -- were all gained by strong alliances defeating determined opponents of freedom, not by "one-worldism." Although the senator was trying to distinguish himself from perceptions of Bush administration policy within the Atlantic Alliance, he was in fact sketching out a post-alliance policy, perhaps one that would unfold in global organizations such as the United Nations. This is far-reaching indeed.

Second, Obama used the Berlin Wall metaphor to describe his foreign policy priorities as president: "The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down."

This is a confused, nearly incoherent compilation, to say the least, amalgamating tensions in the Atlantic Alliance with ancient historical conflicts. One hopes even Obama, inexperienced as he is, doesn't see all these "walls" as essentially the same in size and scope. But beyond the incoherence, there is a deeper problem, namely that "walls" exist not simply because of a lack of understanding about who is on the other side but because there are true differences in values and interests that lead to human conflict. The Berlin Wall itself was not built because of a failure of communication but because of the implacable hostility of communism toward freedom. The wall was a reflection of that reality, not an unfortunate mistake.

Tearing down the Berlin Wall was possible because one side -- our side -- defeated the other. Differences in levels of economic development, or the treatment of racial, immigration or religious questions, are not susceptible to the same analysis or solution. Even more basically, challenges to our very civilization, as the Cold War surely was, are not overcome by naively "tearing down walls" with our adversaries.


Throughout the Berlin speech, there were numerous policy pronouncements, all of them hazy and nonspecific, none of them new or different than what Obama has already said during the long American campaign. But the Berlin framework in which he wrapped these ideas for the first time is truly radical for a prospective American president. That he picked a foreign audience is perhaps not surprising, because they could be expected to welcome a less-assertive American view of its role in the world, at least at first glance. Even anti-American Europeans, however, are likely to regret a United States that sees itself as just one more nation in a "united" world.

The best we can hope for is that Obama's rhetoric was simply that, pandering to the audience before him, as politicians so often do. We shall see if this rhetoric follows him back to America, either because he continues to use it or because Sen. John McCain asks voters if this is really what they want from their next president.

Views expressed by the author do not necessarily reflect those of israelinsider.

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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2008, 01:07:16 PM »

Looks like if they are going to get a say-so in our elections, we should get one in theirs.  Bring back Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair and never, never, never again let Jacque Chirac near any well of policy.... get conservative leaders in France, get conservative leaders in Spain, get conservative leaders in Germany, get conservative leaders in Italy.  Oh, wait, they have already done that.  They have thrown out all their socialists in the past few years.  It seems the Europeans have voted for conservatives all around since Bush has been in office, but hey, they forgot to tell you this big crowd was not for Obama but to see two rock bands that the Obama campaign paid to get the crowds there and ginned up.

"In Germany, it was all wunderbar. Addressing the throng [in Berlin] as a 'proud citizen of the United States,' but also 'a fellow citizen of the world,' Obama seemed to be giving Europeans a role and a voice in an election in which they have no vote. . . . Who can forget Operation Clark County? That was the campaign waged by British paper the Guardian that encouraged Brits to write to voters in a swing county in the swing state of Ohio to urge them to vote for 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry -- because 'the result of the U.S. election will affect the lives of millions around the world, but those of us outside the 50 states have had no say in it.' Well, they had their say, and Clark was the only county in Ohio to switch from supporting Gore in 2000 to Bush GOP in 2004"


-- San Francisco Chronicle columnist Deborah Saunders, on the potential political impact of Barack Obama's overseas trip.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2008, 01:10:29 PM »

What the mass media will NOT tell you, however, is exactly why such a crowd showed up.  Attendees were treated to a free rock concert, free bratwurst, and FREE BEER. 

Yes, some of the mass media did announce it, such as CNN, NBC, MSNBC, WASHINGTON POST, NYTIMES, ABC and all the press across Europe. It was free beer, free brachwurst before and after Obama, and one concert before and one after, of very popular hip bands across Europe which were paid to draw crowds. 
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2008, 01:41:15 PM »

Here is one report of free beer -

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The Just Say No Deal Coalition issues a response to Senator Obama’s address

By Online  Monday, July 28, 2008

The Just Say No Deal Coalition issues the following in response to Senator Obama’s address at the site of the Victory Column following a free rock concert on July 24, 2008 in Berlin , Germany .

"While coverage of Senator Obama’s Berlin speech provided audiences here at home nothing less that a visual “shock and awe,” it neglected to mention that the well-hyped speech had an opening act: a gratis concert by two wildly popular groups, Reggae artist Patrice and rock band Reamonn (pictured below with Barack Obama).  While we appreciate the Obama Campaign’s hospitality, on behalf of furthering US international relations, offering free bratwurst, pizza and even beer for three hours during the free rock concert, we question whether or not the monies might have been better spent here on financially strapped US citizens.

Furthermore the Just Say No Deal Coalition identifies this pattern as deceptive to media consumers.  Similarly, back on May 20, 2008 in Portland, Oregon, the critically acclaimed local band The Decemberists performed a rare free concert prior to Senator Obama’s appearance (note: there are no reports of free refreshments being served during this appearance). While news stories generated by both appearances focused on the enormity of the crowd size, few reports mentioned the accompanying perks, leaving some to question whether revelers are showing up for Senator Obama or for free food and entertainment.  Without this additional information, Just Say No Deal contends that Americans are being misled about the presumptive Democratic nominee’s true popularity.”


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4158

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2008, 01:47:37 PM »

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'New Democrat Thoroughbred, Or Just Another Jackass?'

By JB Williams (07/28/08)

As I watched last week’s campaign spectacle, our illustrious American press corps fawning like a bunch of eight year old girls at a Miley Cyrus concert, over the DNC’s empty suit international Messiah on tour, I found myself pondering...

I don’t know which I find more disturbing?


a) The fact that Obama is so popular with international socialists who hope to see America knocked off its perch as the last remaining super-power,

b) The fact that he had to rely on beer, brats and a free rock concert in order to create that impression,

c) Or that the crowds were full of the same foul mouthed 19 year old children he draws in the states…

I had to settle on (d), all of the above…

Clearly, folks around the globe who don’t like America much seem to like Obama just fine. What should I take from that?

If it had been McCain on tour, the headlines would have read “Old man interrupts free rock concert to foolishly talk American politics in Germany, and nobody knows why.” But since it’s the Obamessiah, the headlines are “Obama draws 200,000 in Germany!” (No mention of the beer, brats or rock concert)

What does it all mean though?

Obama didn’t seem to get much of a bounce in the polls, considering every TV network in American was 24/7 ObamaTV all week long. In fact, some polls indicate that his international pander-fest might have cost him a point or two back home.

It didn’t help much that while he was campaigning for international money and support abroad, his fellow Democrats were back home poking angry voters in the eye by continuing to hold domestic oil production hostage, guaranteeing high gas prices through the election cycle.

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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2008, 02:08:30 PM »

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    Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.
      - Euripides

He has a seat on his campaign aircraft marked "president". He has taken a shot at creating his own presidential seal, complete with Latin motto. He has laid claim to personal control over the world's oceans and seas. He has repeatedly attempted to dictate how and on what level he, his ideas, and his activities may be discussed. He has encouraged a portrayal of himself as a messianic figure, including a portrait of himself as Christ, complete with halo. He is even now completing a triumphant grand tour of the old world, during which he attempted to shanghai an ancient monument for personal use without consulting the host government.

The operative term here is "hubris". A word of Attic Greek origin, hubris was a major concept animating classical Greek thought. Hubris is overweening pride, an arrogance so profound and so visible as to affront the gods themselves. Hubris was a quality often identified with Greek tragic heroes. The hero allowed simple human pride in his accomplishments and station to burgeon to offensive proportions, at which point the wheels of fate began rolling. The ending was never good -- the valiant Ajax stabs himself to death at a lonely spot, the kingly Oedipus is transformed into a howling, self-blinded wreck.

Barack Obama embodies hubris in chemically pure form. Not that he's a tragic hero, or a hero of any sort, to anyone apart from his deluded legions of college freshmen. Beyond cleaning Hillary's clock, he has no accomplishments to speak of, and as for his station... A glance at Trent Lott, Robert Byrd, and Ted Kennedy clearly reveals that "U.S. senator" is not a position of particular pride.

But even if he hasn't founded cities, destroyed monsters, or led men into battle, Obama does share one quality with the heroes of the ancient world: an absolute conviction that he is superior to the ordinary run of humanity. Like them, Obama believes himself a man of destiny, and like them, Obama will go over the edge.

The only question is whether he gets to take the country with him.

He's nearly blown himself up several times previously. In the case of Jeremiah Wright, he felt himself so far above the controversy that he failed to so much as acknowledge it until it had already boiled over, leaving him no choice but to repudiate his longtime mentor. More recently he went so far as to accuse one of the oldest and most liberal publications in the country of impiety. There is no other word for it -- the entire case against The New Yorker was based on the premise that Barack Obama, of all living individuals, is beyond the reach of satire due to the sacredness of his person, a claim never, to my knowledge, made in a previous American election.

Over the past week, he has thrust himself into negotiations with a crucial American client, a client even now involved in the final stages of a lengthy and debilitating war, for the sole purpose of bolstering his campaign. Again, it's impossible to think of a previous candidate who ever behaved in this fashion.

All these incidents -- and plenty of others that could be mentioned -- mark the steps taken toward catastrophe. Obama is edging closer and closer to his climactic moment.   

Give this boy Boroch free reign, $10 and some garden fertilizer and he will blow his own plane up since his knowledge of all common sensical things that all boys learned before the age of 12 is limited to his own self-worship, the learning curve which may have stopped at about the age of self-gratification.
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2008, 06:36:32 PM »

I don't think Obama has ever been blessed by or even listened to the sage advice of "be careful what you wish for". My son remarked he doubted he would escape assassination for one term as president, I asked him why he was so convinced he was at risk of assassination. My son related that already Obama is angering the young black male population (guess Jessie Jackson is young at heart?). I asked him where he heard this, he said from the majority of his football team. He said his own chosen race, black american is talking about this risk for him in the here and the now, and relating he increases his own risk by 'turning on' the black american nation.

As you have noted in your post Tyler, it appears Obama is so full of his own reflection that he cannot filter through the realities here.

I really think the New Yorker cartoon stuck many nerves, some far too close to home for Obama and particularly Michelle - who appears to be a very angry woman at times.

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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2008, 05:52:47 PM »

Interesting opinion -

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THE PEOPLE SPEAK: Don’t need to be a citizen of the world

July 31, 2008 05:03 pm

— I’m glad Obama has told me under his leadership that I will become a citizen of the world. I consider myself an occupant of the world and a citizen of the greatest nation ever, period.

Of course, Europe loves the guy. Politically he's one of them, a socialist, Marxist.

Why would any American envy Europe? They will never approach our lifestyle unless they allow more free enterprise, become more capitalistic.

Of course, there are large movements today that can and will bring my great country down if they are successful. There are many people kneeling at the altar of the world’s biggest phony religion, that of man-made global warming. C02 Jean, who lives across the river, is one of them.

The objective of this movement is to destroy my country as you and I know it today, not anything else. Larry, who lives down the road, calls Bush a fascist. A partial dictionary definition of fascism is dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise. The latter is the opposite of the Bush administration, but it is what the left wing of the Democrats want to accomplish.

If there was a Leningrad Boulevard in his town, that's where you would find Larry.

I can’t forget Blue Jeans, another person who truly believes the government is the answer, who lives up the road. Forgetting to take care of yourself will make a wuss of all of us.

If a tree falls down in your yard, call FEMA. Guess what, in 1900, Galveston was blown off the map, no FEMA, nothing. Did it ever survive on its own. Duh. Learn some history, you ripe-to-be-taken-over so-called Americans.

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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2008, 06:01:00 PM »

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Obama's omission

By Jane Dailey
July 30, 2008

Looking out at the crowd of 200,000 that stood between him and the Brandenburg Gate last week, Barack Obama remarked on the difference between himself and other American leaders who had spoken in Berlin. Inviting his listeners to look beyond that difference, Obama emphasized, "I know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city."

This was not, strictly speaking, true. In September 1964 an American who "looked like" Obama addressed a capacity crowd at the Waldbuhne, an open-air concert space in Berlin. At the invitation of West Berlin Mayor Willy Brandt, civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. spoke at a commemoration ceremony for President John F. Kennedy, who was and remains a hero in Berlin for his denunciation of communism and the Berlin Wall. It was JFK, not MLK, who Obama's spinmeisters were aiming to associate with the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate last week. It was Kennedy's 1963 rally at the Brandenburg Gate that Obama tried to recreate.

There are many photographs of Kennedy's 1963 speech at the Brandenburg Gate and of Kennedy gazing over the wall into East Berlin. King did more than look: He went. Invited by an East German church official, King was determined to speak directly to East Berliners. The U.S. State Department was equally determined that he would not. The American embassy confiscated King's passport and recalled his German guide and translator. Undeterred, King went to the wall. King had just been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize; surely someone would recognize him at Checkpoint Charlie? But his face was not enough for the East Germans. Informed that he had to prove his identity, King flashed his American Express Card.

Three hours later, King preached a sermon of non-violence and universal brotherhood to an overflow crowd in East Berlin's Marienkirche, praising the American students who had demonstrated in the American civil rights movement that they "would rather go to jail than live with degradation but without equality" and promising the East Germans that "we will [all] be free one day."

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