Lively Case Discussion #521 9/7 - 9/9/2006

[dkpen]

From Deepak's Statement 5/31/05:

Joran asked me if we would go out.  He told me that he was at the Excelsior Casino and that he had won third or fourth in the poker tournament.

He was at the blackjack table on the video.

Supposedly JVDS and PVDS had been in the tournament and Dad went home early and JVDS wandered over to the blackjack table to meet the girls.

Yes he wondered over to meet the girls with daddy sitting at the same table.

Sure wish someone could prove the munchkins were still in Holland with AVDS at this time.

Wouldnt the airlines keep records of when someone has flown in and out of their Country?  Someone from the airlines should be able to provide that info....To Police, I mean during their investigation..

Yes they should, and they should of checked the video's to document accountability to Paulus story.

I was referring to when Anita and the two younger sons entering the airport upon arrival.

[Jacqueline]

Yes Crazed Automan...    

I meant the new investigation that should be taking place soon....

[Carnut]

File charges of obstruction and prosecute, dont just bring them in for questioning. The three have never faced any formal charges, just held on suspicion. Here is a charge that can be brought and prosecuted!

Ah, the "system" strikes back. As the beloved Ms. Schipper once explained it, somehow lying as a suspect erases lying as a witness. Which presented the twisted scenerio where it actually benefitted J2K to lie again when they were arrested. Should they have told the truth then, the lying witness statements would have remained in play.

Yeah, that aruban 'system' is pretty unique.

[the big hammer]

PERJURY / FALSE WITNESS CONFIRMED

spock writes: "...Here it is proof of a crime: False signed statement by a "witness" in a murder investigation. This is a crime anywhere in the civilized world including the Netherlands and Aruba. Arrest him and hold him on charges of filing a false police report as a witness! Enforce the law, put pressure on him, give no breaks. Best way to start is to prosecute for the obstruction of justice charge. Haul him in!"

AGREED!  And deepak should be target of prosecution for Perjury/ False Witness; Obstruction of Justice and Contempt of Court.

From an earlier post of mine, dated 8/15/06:

False Witness

Hubbylove writes: "I actually spent a couple of hours reading all of the statements last night and the way they framed those guys really makes me sick! Deepak just made it up and they had to spend what was it 10 days in jail. They should definitely be compensated..."

Yes. At a minimum. But for some strange reason, Aruba keeps these men (Mickey and Abe) in state of suspicion. They are still "suspects" in the case of Natalee. Odd?

While guards should be paid, as depraved paulus wins money in court...

But more to point, "somebody" needs to be prosecuted for bearing false witness, and who provided testimony to get Mickey and Abe arrested in first place. False witness is akin to perjury, and moreso in this system, which demands truthfulness from witnesses under penalty (as we have all been told numerous times). False witness is a crime, which can escalate to contempt of court and/or obstruction of justice quite quickly.

Somebody lied on purpose to put the guards in jail. This has been admitted.

So where is prosecution?

They say "NO" -- cannot ramp up charges. In the event false witness perp is convicted, later cannot press abduction, rape and murder charges.
(I don't believe this.)

But let;s say OK -- then prosecute ONE OF THEM for false witness. And we'll get to the rest later.

I propose deepak.

FALSE WITNESS. - Black's Law Dictionary, 3rd edition
One who is intentionally rather than merely mistakenly false. State v. Weston, 109 Or. 19, 219 P. 180, 189.

They were "INTENTIONALLY FALSE" in their witness statements.

[klaasend]

[Spock]

Jannsen can charge and prosecute the obstruction charge immediately and wait until later on the capital charges until later. Obstruction of a murder case is a serious felony with jail time of years in the States. Its a chared that could have been made and prosecuted yesterday.

This smacks of special treatment.

[San]

File charges of obstruction and prosecute, dont just bring them in for questioning. The three have never faced any formal charges, just held on suspicion. Here is a charge that can be brought and prosecuted!

If only they would Spock, if only they would.

But if memory serves me, Karen Janseen said she wanted to charge them of a bigger crime, not a lesser crime. And if they charge them of a smaller crime they can't re-arrest them of the bigger crime. How much of that is true (thinks it's bs Aruba made up law) who knows.

The smaller charges would have stuck that's why she wants to go after the bigger charges.  She knows there is no evidence that would convict them in the bigger charge.

If she charged them with the bigger crime can she still go after them for the smaller crime.  It probably works both ways.

[dkpen]

File charges of obstruction and prosecute, dont just bring them in for questioning. The three have never faced any formal charges, just held on suspicion. Here is a charge that can be brought and prosecuted!

Ah, the "system" strikes back. As the beloved Ms. Schipper once explained it, somehow lying as a suspect erases lying as a witness. Which presented the twisted scenerio where it actually benefitted J2K to lie again when they were arrested. Should they have told the truth then, the lying witness statements would have remained in play.

Total and unbelievable bs is what that is. Made up and concocted bs.

[klaasend]

Jannsen can charge and prosecute the obstruction charge immediately and wait until later on the capital charges until later. Obstruction of a murder case is a serious felony with jail time of years in the States. Its a chared that could have been made and prosecuted yesterday.

This smacks of special treatment.

Ya think?

[Spock]

Jannsen can charge and prosecute the obstruction charge immediately and wait on the capital charges until later.  Obstruction of a murder case is a serious felony with jail time of years in the States. Its a charge that could have been made and prosecuted yesterday.

This smacks of special treatment.

edited for the typos...

[Spock]

Jannsen can charge and prosecute the obstruction charge immediately and wait on the capital charges until later.  Obstruction of a murder case is a serious felony with jail time of years in the States. Its a charge that could have been made and prosecuted yesterday.

This smacks of special treatment.

edited for the typos...

Its simply not true that they cant be prosecuted for lying as witnesses. Dont believe the BS, they can be.

[igsigs]

File charges of obstruction and prosecute, dont just bring them in for questioning. The three have never faced any formal charges, just held on suspicion. Here is a charge that can be brought and prosecuted!

Ah, the "system" strikes back. As the beloved Ms. Schipper once explained it, somehow lying as a suspect erases lying as a witness. Which presented the twisted scenerio where it actually benefitted J2K to lie again when they were arrested. Should they have told the truth then, the lying witness statements would have remained in play.

Total and unbelievable bs is what that is. Made up and concocted bs.

Hello dkpen. I agree, BS. I wonder if lying as a spokesperson erases lying as a suspect which erases lying as a witness which erases...well, you get the point

[Carnut]

File charges of obstruction and prosecute, dont just bring them in for questioning. The three have never faced any formal charges, just held on suspicion. Here is a charge that can be brought and prosecuted!

Ah, the "system" strikes back. As the beloved Ms. Schipper once explained it, somehow lying as a suspect erases lying as a witness. Which presented the twisted scenerio where it actually benefitted J2K to lie again when they were arrested. Should they have told the truth then, the lying witness statements would have remained in play.

Total and unbelievable bs is what that is. Made up and concocted bs.

Hello dkpen. I agree, BS. I wonder if lying as a spokesperson erases lying as a suspect which erases lying as a witness which erases...well, you get the point

Nah, the simple of it is that White Dutch Boys don't get in trouble for harming American Tourist Girls.

[klaasend]

Need to get some work done, will be lurking for a little while.  

[igsigs]

Nah, the simple of it is that White Dutch Boys don't get in trouble for harming American Tourist Girls.

And there ya have it...

[Jacqueline]

I think so too Carnut...

But I don't think they would get in trouble for harming Aruban or Dutch girls either...

I think the real discrimination here is one of gender....

Women don't seem to count for very much over in Aruba....

[dkpen]

I wish, oh how do I wish, that the Interpol would arrest all ALE, Officials and Prosecution for the crimes of falling short of their duties, collecting evidence imporperly, allowing statements to be altered, allowing witnesses to come forward and lie without fear of reprecaution, ect. Damn how I wish Interpol would slap a big fine on Aruba and the ICJ would come in and just SHUT ARUBA DOWN.  grrrr

[Spock]

The fact that Jannsen has had this statement  for over a year and not charges the lying witnesses has really gotten me upset. A Dutch law professor was asked about this question a year ago and said they should be charged and convicted of interferring in a murder investigation (if the statements were there).

It takes alot to get me upset, but after seeing Jannsen sit on this for over a year while the suspects go out partying, really has me mad.

[San]

I think so too Carnut...

But I don't think they would get in trouble for harming Aruban or Dutch girls either...

I think the real discrimination here is one of gender....

Women don't seem to count for very much over in Aruba....

I agree.

[Buckeye]

I think so too Carnut...

But I don't think they would get in trouble for harming Aruban or Dutch girls either...

I think the real discrimination here is one of gender....

Women don't seem to count for very much over in Aruba....

I agree.

Me too.