Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #3

[Puzzler]

Hi ldstlou - I'm torn about the grandparents.  Just when I start feeling sorry for them I find out something that makes me wonder how much they know. 

I was just watching Greta and the entire panel believes this is a case of homocide, either accidental or intentional.  They don't think LE can charge her with that right now until they get all the evidence back from the car etc.  They are building the case but according to them, ALL OF THEM, the direction this case is going is clear. 

I know Klaas...I've seen your compassion towards Cindy. They have to know...George was a cop for crying out loud!!! They want to scream LOOK FOR CAYLEE!!!! Hope wants them to search for her...but their gut knows there is no shot in hell she is still alive or they WOULD be searching for her.
I think Gearge and Cindy are just so frustrated...they have to kiss Casey's ass or she will cut them off...which she did with Lee today...the wench!!! and then they have no shot in hell of getting info from her...in the meantime..the cops are not looking for Caylee, which means they know something they don't...and aren't sharing. These people are caught between a rock and a hrd place and to me it is heart breaking.

It does seem to stand out that the police haven't searched the wooded area behind the Anthony's home.

[sirensong]

Wound up at this site

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/07/audio-from-case.html

and am wondering, has anyone looked into Mike Walker and Patrick Bourgeois?  I think this phone visit is weird too.  If already discussed, sorry.

[sirensong]

This is also an interesting point, may be why the Antony's are stretching the truth:

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TV8NHF2H0UT1ITEFJ/p5

"The initial lie by the Anthony conclave prevents Casey from being arrested for the felony of deliberate abandonment. The law only has her now for unprovable neglect. Hence she cannot admit she left Caylee in the car "and 'someone' took" her. She cannot give that much away."

[Bearlyhere]

ANNOUNCEMENT!!!! I'm making redquartz an avatar...............nobody move!

CBB, I have been stuck at this post for over an hour, is it okay to move now?

[iris44]

Hi, I am a long time lurker from the Natalee pages.

It seems like Jesse (ex-fiance) must be involved in the cover-up of probably accidental death of Caylee.  If Casey made those 12 phone calls to her parents that were unanswered (as per Mark Furman on Greta), I agree with a previous poster that she must have left Caylee in her carseat when she fell asleep soon after they left the house).  When the parents didn't answer, Furman said she made 2 other calls, she probably called Jesse, and he probably scared her that she would be charged with negligance or something and they decided to cover it up.  It also seems a little odd that an ex-fiance would call to say he quit his job.  Then Jesse threw off the timeline by saying he heard Caylee during that phone call.  My son is a cop, he often works side jobs at apartment complexes in bad neighborhoods; could Jesse have made a call at Sawgrass or worked a side job and had access to the records and saw Zenaida's name and provided it to Casey? I would have thought Furman would have checked that out already, but I haven't heard anything.

[crazybabyborg]

ANNOUNCEMENT!!!! I'm making redquartz an avatar...............nobody move!

CBB, I have been stuck at this post for over an hour, is it okay to move now?

  Yes, Bearly, stretch your legs!

[crazybabyborg]

Hi, I am a long time lurker from the Natalee pages.

It seems like Jesse (ex-fiance) must be involved in the cover-up of probably accidental death of Caylee.  If Casey made those 12 phone calls to her parents that were unanswered (as per Mark Furman on Greta), I agree with a previous poster that she must have left Caylee in her carseat when she fell asleep soon after they left the house).  When the parents didn't answer, Furman said she made 2 other calls, she probably called Jesse, and he probably scared her that she would be charged with negligance or something and they decided to cover it up.  It also seems a little odd that an ex-fiance would call to say he quit his job.  Then Jesse threw off the timeline by saying he heard Caylee during that phone call.  My son is a cop, he often works side jobs at apartment complexes in bad neighborhoods; could Jesse have made a call at Sawgrass or worked a side job and had access to the records and saw Zenaida's name and provided it to Casey? I would have thought Furman would have checked that out already, but I haven't heard anything.

Hi iris! That's a very thoughtful idea and I hadn't considered that!

WELCOME here, and I hope you post often. Would you like an avatar........maybe an Iris?

[iris44]

CBB, Thanks, an avatar would be nice; either an iris or a horse, Iris is my horse's name.

[crazybabyborg]

CBB, Thanks, an avatar would be nice; either an iris or a horse, Iris is my horse's name.

Sure! Give me a few minutes to see what I can come up with. If you need to leave , just check back here when you come back! 

What's your horse look like? Color?

[iris44]

CBB, She's a bay (dark brown, with black mane and tail) trakehner breed dressage horse. But any horse will do!

[crazybabyborg]

CBB, She's a bay (dark brown, with black mane and tail) trakehner breed dressage horse. But any horse will do!

Almost done, iris! Be right back!

[iris44]

One more thing on Jesse, on Greta tonight they said Cindy said Casey's pants she took from the car and washed also smelled like smoke (in addition to a dead body), and that Casey's old boyfriend smokes.

[crazybabyborg]

Would this do, iris?


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/iris.gif

[iris44]

CBB, Perfect, I saw her do that move yesterday.  Thanks again.

[crazybabyborg]

CBB, Perfect, I saw her do that move yesterday.  Thanks again.

Do you know how to get it up and going? You have to go into your profile tab. If not, Klaas can fix you up tomorrow. She's the only one that has access to that for other posters, but I'll be glad to leave her a message and she'll take care of it so that it will just be there when you post tomorrow. 

[crazybabyborg]

Because no one at Sawgrass apts. remembers Casey at all, I do think it's possible she had some help, and that someone else could have likely seen Zenaida's inquiry card.

[crazybabyborg]

The phone records should show a call to Jessie, if Casey called him, right? Jessie might have decided to stay away from reporters because he's involved and knows rather than just being noble.

There are several key "quirks" that don't make sense or are a phenominal coincidence in this case. Some have obvious answers, and others do not. I'm not considering her parents in this, because IMO, no matter what they've done after Caylee went missing, at least I'm going on the premise right now that they weren't involved in what happened to Caylee. I'm just focusing on Casey. I think it might prove helpful to look at them individually and collectively.

1. The ladder on the pool isn't accounted for.

2. Zenaida Gonzalas does have a connection to Sawgrass Apts but doesn't know Casey.

3. A flurry of calls on the 16th, but no message left on anyone's phone Casey was calling? (SURELY police have checked that!)

4. Casey had used Zenaida's name before anything happened to Caylee, as Caylee's babysitter. She was able to take police to an apt that would produce at least a loose connection to that name.

5. Solved, but the gas can reported theft WAS a quirk, before it was resolved.

6. Where was Casey when her parents thought she was at work all that time before Caylee went missing?

7. The decomposition smell in the car.

8. She was stealing money and spending lots of money.

9. The shovel Casey borrrowed from the neighbor. Why?

10. She backed into the driveway which was unusual.

11. Casey's nervousness about George getting into the car.

12. She told her parents she was in Jacksonville.

[iris44]

The phone records should show a call to Jessie, if Casey called him, right? Jessie might have decided to stay away from reporters because he's involved and knows rather than just being noble.

There are several key "quirks" that don't make sense or are a phenominal coincidence in this case. Some have obvious answers, and others do not. I'm not considering her parents in this, because IMO, no matter what they've done after Caylee went missing, at least I'm going on the premise right now that they weren't involved in what happened to Caylee. I'm just focusing on Casey. I think it might prove helpful to look at them individually and collectively.

1. The ladder on the pool isn't accounted for.

2. Zenaida Gonzalas does have a connection to Sawgrass Apts but doesn't know Casey.

3. A flurry of calls on the 16th, but no message left on anyone's phone Casey was calling? (SURELY police have checked that!)

4. Casey had used Zenaida's name before anything happened to Caylee, as Caylee's babysitter. She was able to take police to an apt that would produce at least a loose connection to that name.

5. Solved, but the gas can reported theft WAS a quirk, before it was resolved.

6. Where was Casey when her parents thought she was at work all that time before Caylee went missing?

7. The decomposition smell in the car.

8. She was stealing money and spending lots of money.

9. The shovel Casey borrrowed from the neighbor. Why?

10. She backed into the driveway which was unusual.

11. Casey's nervousness about George getting into the car.

12. She told her parents she was in Jacksonville.

I agree the parents definitely were not involved in what happened, and are in shock and trying to accept their daughter's involvement. I'm sure they were good parents and can't understand how Casey could have done this, especially since their son seems to have turned out so well.  I'm sure they are blaming themselves, wondering how they went wrong with raising Casey, and wishing they could have protected Caylee.  They seem like good, honest people who at this point just want and need the truth to come out.  Unfortunately, Casey will probably stick to her story to the bitter end.

1. I agree with the poster who said that Casey may have tried to revive Caylee in the pool. 

3. As for all the phone calls, if she was in a panic, she needed to talk to someone immediately, leaving a VM would not help.  Per Mark Furhman, the police would not name who the other 2 calls were to.

4. Only Casey's and the family's word on Casey talking about Zenaida before the disappearance.  Seems like at the beginning Cindy wasn't saying they recognized the name.  She incorporated that later, didn't she?

6. Caylee must have been with Casey.  Maybe she was an escort, and brought Caylee with her.

7, 10 & 11. Those to me, mean Caylee is not alive.

8. Stumped on the spending money, unless the stress of losing Caylee caused compulsive shopping.  If she has borderline personality disorder, compulsive behavior under stress is one of their big issues.

9.  Furhman also said Casey made another bunch of (unanswered) cell calls to the parents the day she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor.  She was probably mad that the shed was locked and called her parents to b*tch and find out where the key was.

12. Probably a lie.

[nonesuche]

Reading some of the supposition here around possible heat stroke impacting Caylee and causing her death, I was reminded of a comment that Cindy the grandmother made when describing the "pizza". I remember her stating something to the effect of you all know how hot it's been here lately........I thought it was the kind of comment a guilty person would say, or someone trying to cover something up via qualifiying statements to support a lie.

Just a random thought, cycling off Klaas' post regarding having mixed feelings about Cindy, which I do too.

[Rob]

I noticed something in the Girdle show last night.

Mike Cordoza - one of my favs and this guy is right on 99% of the time - said that if they charged Casey, right now with some form of homicide - they would get it. Meaning that a jury would come back and convict. I don't think he was saying as a matter of spite - but simply justice. Jeannie Pirro disagreed and felt it was a weak case right now and all ducks were not yet lined up - said it's getting there - but just not yet. (but the way, Jeannie is not only beautiful - she's brilliant - my favorite combination).

Cin Cin - pants are now located on back seat. They have moved around the inside of the car and now according to Cindy, she found them on the back seat. This is interesting because that's where the child seat was located and there is only going to be so much room after the child seat takes up half the back seat. First reference here was - found on front floor.

It hard to keep track of all the inconsistencies and still give the Anthonys the benefit of the doubt.

Let's face it - Cindy's husband was a cop. It's hard for me to believe that she has no idea what the procedures are for evidence. I know most cops do not like to take their work home with them because it leads to divorce, but come on, she has to know that washing those clothes was not a good idea. Cindy made a statement saying just that last night. She absolves herself publicly and she feels no worse for the wear. Terrible in my opinion.

George's gas station - why lie about something as simple as the gas can theft and the identity of said thief? That's not only plain ole wrong - it side tracked the investigation and George eventually admitted he lied. If he's lying about something as simple as the gas cans - he could literally be covering up anything - his credibility is shot. We're still not talking about a lost cat here - this is a missing child - and a member of society. My alliance is to the missing child and not George or Cindy. When they start telling the truth and not half truths and a trickle at a time, I start to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I googled this combination - "a family member helped dispose of the body" and guess what??

That brought out 297,000 combinations of those exact words. Not all were a total match in that exact layout - but many were.

When the police clear Casey, George, Cindy and Lee, I'll apologize - but not until and quite frankly, I don't think I will have to. Remember, family members often know the whole story long before the police, the media and the rest of us - it just takes time to get the entire story.

Most of us have been following missing person cases for a long time and are not new to what makes people tick in these circumstances. It's not a set pattern, but there are commonalities that seem to run in most cases involving family members and the people they think they are protecting.