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« on: August 09, 2008, 10:08:12 PM »

Shango's first post was a challenge to Simian:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Simian and the posters are talking about Steve Croes.  Simian says the music man’s song was not on the bill.  Shango is trying to let everyone know that others are involved in “singing the wrong tune”.   This is not a “solo” performance.  There is an “orchestra”. When he writes ‘A Babylonian’ it is not a question.
Shango posted directly to Simian, yet Simian would not respond.  Simian ad responded to most all other posts...but not to Shango's.

Then:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost.
Will one of the cards sing?

Shango let's Simian know that HE knows who that Babylonian is.  Shango later in the evening posts that Dirty Hand was one of the cards that was played...and lost.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Someone high up found out what Dirty Hand (Van Der Straaten, imo, had done.  That is why Shango believes that card is lost.)

Shango posted directly to Simian, yet Simian would not respond.  Simian had responded to most all other posts...but not to Shango's.

Then:


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost.
Will one of the cards sing?

Shango let's Simian know that HE knows who that Babylonian is.  Shango later in the evening posts that Dirty Hand was one of the cards that was played...and lost.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Someone high up found out what Dirty Hand (Van Der Straaten, imo, had done.  That is why Shango believes that card is lost.)

Simian does not yet respond to Shango.  Shango makes his next post:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

No mention of Arawaks by either poster yet and I believe Shango uses Sumerians to refer to the native people on Aruba...basically the people that no longer have control of the island.  Simian has already used the term Babylonians.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pm
The Simian knows the Babylonians. They need to plan the legal checkmate perfectly. They know that the elder knows his way around the palace. All gates need to be shut.

Historically speaking the Babylonians conquered and ruled the Sumerians.  This is why I think the term Sumerians was used by Shango, but Simian never used that term at all.  Simian seemed to prefer the term Arawak as in the early indian tribes that settled on Aruba.  Either term would apply to those who were there first being overtaken, if you will, by another culture or group.

Around 1900 B.C. Semitic-speaking invaders from the Arabian Desert entered southern Mesopotamia and captured the city-state of Babylon. About 1790 B.C., led by their king, Hammurabi, they conquered the other city-states in the Tigris-Euphrates valley and formed the Babylonian Empire. The Babylonians adopted and built upon the prevailing Sumerian culture.

http://home.cfl.rr.com/crossland/AncientCivilizations/Middle_East_Civilizations/Babylonians/babylonians.html


Shango has now made three posts directed at Simian, with no response.  His fourth post is a question:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

Simian has been posting about a package from the Hague.  Shango is baiting Simian because he seems to know that nothing will be revealed about evidence from the Hague.  He implies that this lack of information from the 'package' Simian tells everyone will come is now hurting the locals on Aruba.  I believe Shango uses Eden as a reference to the "Garden of Paradise"...One Happy Island.  This whole thing has been bad for the island and Simian is not helping matters.


Simian still has not taken the bait.  Shango keeps trying:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant

Shango implies that there never was to be any information to be revealed from the Hague.  The return of "One Happy Island" was not about to happen. 


Simian begins to nibble:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:27 pm
The cowboys have only so much gold.
The territory is rough.
There are many secrets, but the Arawaks are helping.
The palace is open to all, but the palace is a maze to most.

Simian now counters Sumerians with the term Arawaks and paints them in a good light.  They are helping the cowboys.  This is Simian at his most cryptic to date.  He mentions a palace and maze.  Now...does palace refer to The Hague?  Is The Hague really open to all?  I don't think it is even though it is the location of the "World Court" so to speak.  I think palace in this post refers to the court system of Aruba.  While the courts are available to all on Aruba, not everyone understands how the system works...especially foreigners.  This can be a disadvantage to the foreigners seeking justice using the confusing system (maze).

Shango tugs on the line a bit:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks  So it will remain “cowboys and indians” The posse was too late

Shango is telling Simian that he was either dead wrong or he has been leading people on with his claim that evidence from The Hague will answer many questions.  Shango all but implies that Arawaks are the indians because Simian implies that the Arawaks are helping the cowboys.  But Shango seems to think it is too late.


Simian backs away a bit.  His next post tries to separate the Babylonians from the judicial process.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The Babylonians don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
They are running out of options.

Simian seems to imply that the Babylonians (which I believe refers to those who seem to run things on the island...the Dutch and the political party leaders along with the casino owners) cannot control the judicial system...which we all know is not true.  In fact, the Babylonians actully had all the options from the very beginning.  They did influence the judges as we all saw in the following months.


After this Simian takes a break from posting for about half an hour.  He comes back with this post:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.

While he was "away" Shango continued:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late Eden is still distant

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:37 pm
Why don’t the Arawaks to play the Babylonian Card ?
The posse is far from the fort and the loot is gone
The indians can’t count on the cowboys
The arawaks need to audition the singing card

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
The key does not exist
The Arawaks knew Babylonian involvement would prove futile
That is why the cowboys left the fort and a searching with the indians

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:45 pm
Shango is not limited to any location, orixas are his messengers

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
Elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage
To agree to remain silent is to agree not to hum any tune
The Arawaks are desperate, they fear for the tribe, they do not want war with the cowboys
But the loot remains hidden
And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well
The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
The Arawaks may not need to play the singing card
The cowboys won’t hear the music and the teepees will be safe
Wampum is needed as the doors closed on Eden

Did Shango shake the wire?


While Shango is composing this post:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

Simian provides this defense of the system:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:10 pm
The system is built so that innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.


Shango responds with:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Simian your Dopple has resumed position
Bird on the wire

No one has posted as Simian during this time.  We have often thought Shango's reference to Dopple (short for doppleganger) meant someone else posting as Simian.  But...the actual definition is a ghostly double or counterpart of a living person.  I believe Shango was referring to whoever it was that was telling Simian what to say.


Simian does not post again until 9:27 pm.  For over five hours Shango holds the attention of audience for the early evening hours.  Could Simian be in a "strategy session" during this time?


I know that conversation was not exclusively between Shango and Simian.  Simian was communicating with other posters and ignoring Shango.  Shango, on the other hand, was communicating with Simian only at this point.  He was trying to "draw him in".  I find that more interesting that just coming straight out and saying to everyone that Simian was wrong about The Hague and telling everyone on the site that Simian was a fraud..  He is addressing his posts to Simian...Simian wants no part of a conversation with Shango.  He communicates with others on the site...but not Shango.
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 10:12:58 PM »

When Simian does return he resumes posting with this:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

Shango counters with this:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

Shango posts a few more times and then Simian comes back with:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down.
They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Then Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

I believe these two were posting to each other in this sequence.  I know some have wondered what this last post from Shango meant.  The idea of porn videos has been discussed.  Given this possible exchange between Simian and Shango I believe this may have more to do with the casino security tapes.  Paulus had to come clean?  She spent her nights at their table?  Simian is holding a carrot on a stick.  Is Shango telling Simian that he knows what Simian is talking about?  Simian would not be able to say what the evidence was and Shango is letting him know that he knows what it is?
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 10:15:35 PM »

Over the next two days both Simian and Shango post their cryptic messages.  They take small jabs at each other, but nothing stands out as a post made in anger.


Then...on 06/28/05:

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:52 am
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:01 am
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping.
Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.
The Simian is angry. Over and out.

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:09 am
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:18 am
f*** the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:21 am
The Simian doesn’t make predictions. Only gives the group information ahead of time. Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.
No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.

Seems Shango may have gone too far in Simian's opinion.  Was Shango's post about David revealing too much?
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2008, 10:18:02 PM »

While Simian is ranting and telling everyone that they have been pinged, Shango slips into doppleganger mode himself posting as Robalo33: note-I saved these posts in reverse time order so it will make more sense if you read them from bottom to top.


Robalo33

Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?

(best translation I can get: Simian your I do not speak to anything of veridad todavia ta always the same case with you cabron?)

Jun 28, 2:22 AM



Robalo33

J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian

(translates: I like to better spend times with a woman like you Simian)
Jun 28, 2:21 AM



Robalo33

what has simeon said that came out true?

Jun 28, 2:16 AM



Robalo33

also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset. i believe that is a simeon poser

Jun 28, 2:15 AM


Robalo33

someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus, which is an early man, not a monkey.

[At 11:48 on June 27 Shango uses the term austrolopithecus. (Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:48 pm - The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague  I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus )
 At 02:10 am on June 28 Robalo33 uses that very same term, yet does not attribute it to Shango.  He immediately posts again at 02:13 am to attribute the use of this term to Shango.]

But simian. more of the stuff this shango says seems more real than your predictions.

Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.
u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

Jun 28, 2:13 AM

Robalo33

The simian is wrong
The simian said the Hague was coming

The simian is an austrolopithecus

Jun 28, 2:10 AM


Robalo33

I have been watching this post for a few days now. This Shango does not seem to waver in his basic themes, but it seems like he is detatched.

I think he is a remote viewer. Not connected, but with a special eye.

Psychics do exist you know

A lot of what has been said makes a lot of sense. And if if this people are speaking in riddles, they are still providinf info to the masses.

just a thought

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 10:42:05 PM »

The spat heats up.  Shango returns from his stint as Robalo33 and the two openly argue with wach other:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:23 am
?

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:24 am
This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:27 am
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought which would not usually leave the MainStream

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:28 am
Cabron seras tu, pendejo. Yo trato de pasar la informacion antes de tiempo, pero Uds. no entienden y creen que todo se soluciona por ser gringo. No hago predicciones y tampoco nunca dije que sabía que paso esa noche.
Je ne compris pas quesque tu dire. Que je suis une femme? La vie n’est pas comment tu pense.
 
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:29 am
Babylon is Falling
The Arawak teepees will be crushed
will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion
to make the cowboys smile

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:32 am
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na liña. E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor mañan. Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.
Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi. Nan lanta na porta di bo cas mañan, no spanta.
not place do you self at cord. the cosnan cu you have talk today can haci’bo dolor tomorrow. close do you mouth y not talk of thing do you not know. go sleep, pace is late. much person is read thing are you skibi.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:39 am
The arawaks must hunt the lions
in the place of darkness
house of secrets

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:45 am
Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a Primate

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:50 am
As opposed to? Crack a book some time…

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:50 am
The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
they lost to the lions
dirty hand knows
the elder knows
and so do the arawaks
the cowboys are far from the house of babylon
the maze shall remain dark to all but the arawak nation and the elders

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:53 am
Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.
You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 3:02 am
Yo solo trato de pasar información antes de que se presente en las noticias. Primero, porque no se dicen las como se deben en Fox News o en CNN.
Sinembargo me encuentro ahora con un idiota que se cree hacer predicciones de cosas que no sabe. Alavez, claramente yo tampoco por no haber estado alli. Una vez mas yo solo paso informacion que tengo de gente que estan conectados en la sociedad Arubana.
Estoy muy disgustado hoy de leer como esta idiota que se hace llamar Shango esta jugando con los sentimientos de estos gringos y alavez de oír a Nancy Grace hablar de situaciones que ella ni siquiera entiende.
Single I try to pass information before she
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 10:46:53 PM »

Oops...here;s the rest of Simian's post:
Single I try to pass information before she appears in the news. First, because they do not say as they must in Fox News or Cnn.
Sinembargo I am now with an idiot who is created to make predictions
of things that do not know. Alavez, clearly I either by not having been alli. Once again single I pass information that I have of people which they estan connected in the Arubana society.
Very I am displeased today to read like this idiot who are made call
Shango this playing with the feelings of these gringos and alavez to
hear Nancy Grace speak of situations that she not even understands.



Shango makes one more post on June 28th and then takes the day off (from posting as Shango):

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 3:06 am
Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect.  His lordship brought nothing from the Hague  the simian listens to whisperings of the arawak tongue foolishly thinking he is an insider.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2008, 10:59:03 PM »

Simian posts once more in the eary morning:

Simian says: June 28, 2005 at 3:10 am
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.
If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes.

He returns in the late afternoon:

Simian says: June 28, 2005 at 4:59 pm
Que español mas chimbo habla ese impostor. El Simio jamas escribirÃa tantas bobedades. Hoy es la primera vez que estoy en linea.
Le Simien est ma nome du plume.

And then nothing until later that evening:


Simian says: June 28, 2005 at 8:14 pm
This will all take a tumble very soon.

Simian says: June 28, 2005 at 8:28 pm
The Babylonians want to swim up stream. They are fed up with the silence in the brook. Why did they hide him from them? They are liars too.


This is all we hear from Simian until nearly noon the next day.

Nothing from Shango.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2008, 01:13:54 PM »

Simian returns on June 29th with a few posts, most of which center around the MB kids and how there was a guy from MB that needs to be questioned.  These are his posts from that day.  They are in the "Simian posts (real, not fake)" thread so read thme in reverse order of the posting:


22.   Name: Simian | E-mail: | IP: xx
This one Babylonian is a sure shot. The boy and the Hindus are closer than you would think. They believe all of their fingers are burned. The Babylonians think she’s on her way to Panama with the help of the Carib.
Posted Jun 29, 4:29 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Lets work together to Find Natalee” | View Post
23.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
A Babylonian capo whispered to me. They have too much on the boy and the Hindus.
Posted Jun 29, 4:19 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Lets work together to Find Natalee” | View Post
24.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
A Babylonian capo whispered to me. They have too much on the boy and the Hindus.
Posted Jun 29, 4:18 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Lets work together to Find Natalee” | View Post
25.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
His ticket was changed. Needed to stay two more days on the island. Why don’t the others say that they saw him? He was with them!
The Babylonians know that the federales are on him. He needs to answer some questions. Can’t figure out which position he plays. America’s passtime.
Posted Jun 29, 12:02 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; June 29 Morning Update” | View Post
26.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Mis disculpas por el error. Lean de nuevo.
Posted Jun 29, 11:59 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; June 29 Morning Update” | View Post
27.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The departure date was changed. Two more days on the island. Didn’t come with the group. Didn’t leave with the group.The federales should go to a baseball game. Is he slugger or a fielder?
The girl caller came to see her. Why didn’t he come with the group?
Posted Jun 29, 11:58 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; June 29 Morning Update” | View Post
28.   Name: Simain | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The dirt is surfacing. The boys from the neighbourhood travelling to the pearl in Caribs. They were on their own. Everybody saw them. They are liars too.
The departure date was changed. Two more days on the island. Didn’t come with the group. Didn’t leave with the group.
The federales should go to a baseball game. Is he slugger or a fielder?
Posted Jun 29, 11:45 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; June 29 Morning Update” | View Post



Shango does not post at all on June 29th.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 01:16:38 PM »

Shango returns in the early morning hour of June 30th.  These are his last known posts.

Shango on June 30th, 2005 1:49 am  All of Shango’s information comes from the higher power, Olorum  Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company  Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity. 

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation  Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope  The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark, while the lions pace silently in the bush.  Dirty Hand is the link!  The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor  If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.
 Threadsurfers listen!   

The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.  The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.  A new key must be found to open unknown doors. 




The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.  But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.  DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.  The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made. 

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.  The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.  DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.  But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.  The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.  The gift the cowboys ask of the king of the Arawak Nation is a mere trifle.  All ye who sing in the cyber-chorus lower your voices not!








It has been proven that the lamb, the shivas, and the elders are not the breach in Arawak Armour!  Let us hunt Lions, The King, and Dirty Hand.  The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.  Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.  The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.  Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.  If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.  Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.  He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder


Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation


I must feed the messengers

The gods are talking


Shango on June 30th, 2005 1:58 am Shango does not fear the Simian
Shango feels the Simian speaks speculatively desiring to know, but remaining clothed in darkness


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:04 am Observe all communications from Shango and judge from their worth….DirtyHand is the the Keystone!The lamb is in ther fold, and the shivas.  Threadsurfers, if they cannot out a lamb to manger, how will they deal with lions?DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid   attention from the cowboys and the fort


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:07 am If the keystone
falls, it will crush the lamb, the shivas, and the elder  the noise of the crashing arch shall scare the lions from their den  DirtyHand is the key to All!


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am
All Secrets are hidden in Plain View


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:13 am
The Arawaks make the cowboys dance so the smoke signals are lost in the wind
How can one hunt for lions without a local guide?
How can one hunt for lions with fishing gear?
DirtyHand still commands Arawak war parties, confusing outlanders…
Time is the enemy of the cowboys
and friend to the Arawaks, the Babylonians, and the hunted Jungle beasts


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:14 am
Shango did not mention a Handicap
That was the fetid Simian


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:18 am
For those who think Shango has danced with the lions
or walked the maze
they have not read diligently
Eyes of God see from afar
If ye have truth, ask not how it was begotten…


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:26 am
In your senseless rage you wave your sword recklessly
as such you would sever the limb even of a defender of the faith  If a bird whispers an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!  Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.   Believe.  When olorum speaks, lesser gods listen  but do not ask how it is they hear


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.   He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den

   watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:36 am
Casanostra is standing at a window looking onto Babylon…

   casanostra on June 30th, 2005 2:35 am
I picked the casanostra as a name after doing much research as to their relationship to the island of Aruba and the drug trade, as well as other things that go along with it. Do some googling and find out for yourself. I think that Natalie is alive and that there are people on the island, and those that pass through the island that no one wants to mess with. There lies the predicament. You have a criminal element more powerful than the authorities and a chess game is being played. I think Joran is being protected, but he is also guilty of something. Not murder, but leading Natalie into something very sinister. I apologize if my speculation is in any way disrespectful to she or her family, but I find this very intriguing and it goes much deeper than what is implied on television.




Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:39 am
Why would the Arawaks fear a lamb, tiny toothed little beast?  The chieftan would sacrifice the lamb,
but the demons would not leave for such a petty sacrifice  The Lamb knows, but doesn’t rule
Lambs aren’t knigs of the Jungle

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:50 am
Always remember that what is unseen is greater than what is seen
All has been seen from afar
and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son
I must leave to feed the messengers
The gods are talking
Good Night
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2008, 01:20:12 PM »

Simian begins his June 30th posts at mid-morning.  He picks up where he left off regarding the MB students and the "boyfriend".   Again, these are from the real Simian posts section so read them in reverse (bottom to top):


6.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The music man will lose to a lettuce at a spelling bee. Do not accuse the man of being special.
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7.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Annamaria, the Simian really does not understand the e-mail routine. The Simian has been in a fox-hole for a couple of days. The doppelganger was very fastidious.
The Simian is for real. The Simian doesn’t have much respect for Shango.
Listen to the Simian when he says that the federales are looking at the many forked tongues that live where the Yellowhammer calls home.
PS it is 149. Ivy cualified.
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8.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Linkeloetje, wat voor een soort banale commentaar was dat nou. Het systeem op Aruba is een koninklijke aanegelegenheid. Nou, als je heel even naar de namen kijkt van de mensen in de top van de Arubaanse Openbare Ministerie dan zie je gewoon Nederlanders. Steen echte Nederlanders. Dus ineens zou jij zo graag willen discrimineren on Arubanen an Surinamers “langzaam” te noemen. I k had anders van jou verwacht. Het ging zo goed met je bijdragen.

 (Linkeloetje, wat voor een soort banale commentaar was dat nou.    Het systeem op Aruba is een koninklijke aanegelegenheid. Nou, als je heel even naar de namen kijkt van de mensen in de top van de Arubaanse Openbare Ministerie dan zie je gewoon Nederlanders. Steen echte Nederlanders. Dus ineens zou jij zo graag willen discrimineren on Arubanen an Surinamers “langzaam” te noemen. I k had anders van jou verwacht. Het ging zo goed met je bijdragen.)

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9.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.
The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.
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10.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Simian says that the cowboys will not find the gold. Where is she then?
The Babylonians think that there are a lot of forked tongues where the Yellowhammer calls home.
It’s very hard to find things that don’t want to be found.
The theory about The Picaros has been thrown out the window.
American Special Interest are making the island hold hands. If there is a chink in there profit chain, they will make sure their paysans understand. Americans will not hurt their own interests.
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12.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Simian has an IQ of 149 as measured by Gringos.
All of the words of the cohorts of the boy and the Hindus have been hi-jacked. For weeks already. The confrontation of yesterday was brutal. More lies woven. The boy has to fall apart. The Babylonians have their swords ready…
North American special interests have organized a “human chain of prayers” in Aruba. From the Wyndham to the Holiday Inn. Are afraid for their multi-million dollar investments? The Simian heard from the Gringos say they are doing OK. The bread won’t be taken from them. They will just sit this one out.
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13.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Babylonians don’t believe in any stories that include The Picaros.
The lies have to stop. Time is running out. They know it, but they trust that the dirt is enough to keep him. They think the cowboys won’t find what they were looking for. They believe that the girl has joined the Carib on a journey to Panama.
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14.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in? They have an agenda and they always prove their point.
The Babylonians still have the boy and the Hindus pinched. The Hindus and the boy met again yesterday. The boy fell apart. Another patch is woven. There are no Picaros here, only a boy. So do the Babylonians think.
A slap in the face did the Babylonians receive yesterday from the ones who own the block and the hammer. The boy can recieve the elder. Ha! Their words will be committed to magnet.
The elder is not a capo in the Palace. The palace servants all think he is a failure, but he sure knows his way around. He did break one gate already.
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15.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx
The American boy who is the ex. That has been on the Aruban media for the last couple of days. Sadly not really on the American media. CNN and Fox News speculate with everything else, except with the notion that some ex-boyfriend joined the group on his own and then changed his ticket to leave two days later than he is supposed to.
What was he doing during those two days? Did anyone check his room? What was the dynamics of his realtionship with Natalee?
Have you stopped to think that Joran really doesn’t know anything. Don’t underestimate the Aruban Police. The only thing that f***ing up the investigation is media pressure to move in a certain direction.
Who told you that the Paulus told the boys to blame black security men? That is not true? Do you knwo something? Maybe you should be questioned.
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16.   Name: Simian | E-mail: | IP: xx
Could be something. Thing is nobody has mentioned him. Nobody has had the chance to question him. Why doesn’t the FBI take him in? He certainly would have motive. Wrap your mind around that.
Why don’t the other girls dish on Natalee? Simple, because they were also part of the proceedings. They also partied out in Aruba. Puritanical mindset would not allow them to let Mom & Pop know.
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17.   Name: Simian | E-mail: | IP: xx
So you are quoting the lead presecutor. Great. Hear Paulus himself in dutch. Have someone translate it for you.
La eloquencia no paga con alguna clase de gente este blog.
So the diversion for Joran could be the American boy, but never Joran being a diversion for the American boy. Nice. Very well put.
Did anybody check his room those two days? The FBI was in Aruba immediately. Did they go for the American boy? I don’t think so. The mother was/is convinced the girl was kidnapped. The initial posters said KIDNAPPED. Not MISSING or HAVE YOU SEEN? They all said KIDNAPPED. Was there a fear all along for such a thing to happen?
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18.   Name: Simian | E-mail | IP: xx
The Simian got friggin’ tired. I.e. the Simian never mentioned any Sumerians. What does that mean? By the way, in Caribbean slang the “Babylon” is the Police.
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19.   Name: Simian | E-mail | IP: xx
If you understand the Dutch language, you would know that Paulus did not say “if there is no body, there is no crime”. He said “I explained the procedure to them”. That bit about a body was added by CNN and Fox News. Makes for a better story.
He also said that he was arrested, because some people in the group that visited his house at 01:00 in the morning “heard” him say that he picked up his son at 4:00 AM. Meanwhile the police officer reported that Paulus said 11:00 PM. So based on two “witnesses” with the group he was arrested.
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20.   Name: Simian | E-mail: | IP: xx
It is common knowledge that the some tickets were changed and that the ex-boyfriend left two days later than he intended. It has also been in the Aruban media. I mean why was this proposition never questioned?
All along authorities have been pushing in one single direction. They are changing their options. They want to know what happened during those days prior. Who was the girl with? Why was she not sleeping in her room? What were the group dynamics? Why since the start did all the other student failed to mention that the ex-boyfriend joined the group on his own?
That the boy is arrogant. Fine. He is a dutchman. We Arubans think all Dutch are arrogant. That the father sweats a lot. Fine. We Arubans know that northern Europeans sweat and stink a lot when in the Caribbean. Nothing new to us Arubans. It’s even kind of funny.
So the Mother still believes the girl was kidnapped. Obviously Joran did not kidnap her. That she was sold into slavery is ridiculous. Was she taken by the FARC? Why hasn’t the FARC made it public yet? They always do. If the mother’s first thought was kidnapping, who are her enemies? People don’t get kidnapped in Aruba. Why a Holloway then? Maybe she knows something we don’t?
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21.   Name: Simian | E-mail | IP: xx
The local parlant is that the police are opening up other options in this investigation with the help of the FBI and other international agencies. Especially concerning the ex-boyfriend. See, it is difficult for the Aruban police to have access to that young man, since he is a US citizens and they are never asked to leave the country to attend some kind of interrogation.
The name of that boy has been circulating on the island since the week-end ans his actions are also being placed into question. It is not nothing new what I am writing down here, since it has vene been commented on local radio yesterday.
I find it odd too, that only fourteen postings were made on the page concerning the mother’s interview with an Aruban radio station. It is too bad you could no t hear the interview. Try to read what the lady is saying.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2008, 01:24:04 PM »

Then Simian, for some reason, begins using different names to post.  We do not see anything else posted under the name of Simian that is identified by SM as the real/original Simian:

1.   Name: Baboon | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The FBI was with a group in Aruba. Some left, some stayed.
There is no plea barganing in Aruba or the Dutch Kingdom. What they do is reduced sentences for the for the lesser crimes.
The case where the gentleman was “beheaded” was solved. The girl was picked up and she is awaiting for her charges and subsequent trial.
A case of a drive-by shooting was also solved and the involved have been arrested. Nobody was killed they just shot in the air. One is the son of really, really rich and influential people in Aruba. Not like Joran, which by Aruban standards is just the son of a judicial employee.
Some have to start coming to grips that maybe something else happened to the girl.
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2.   Name: Baboon | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Nurse:
Transporting Aruban marines? Would you mean Dutch Marines?
The US Coast Guard, FOL, Dutch Marines and the Aruban Coast Guard work together to counter drug-trafficking. Why would that be funny?
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3.   Name: Mono | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
El Mono se canso. De impostores y de imitadores.
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4.   Name: Mono | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Claro que lo de tus pataletas era en broma. No hay vaqueros en la costa. Se dice que se estan acostando muy tempranos. Este cuenta va a tomar una vuelta inesperada muy pronto.
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El Mono no hace predicciones. Solo pasa informacion. Chica Nueva, no pongas tus pantaletas en un nudo.
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2008, 05:06:44 AM »


thanks for this thread ...
the throwdown is one of my favorite things

theory re why shango appeared:
the TES Moko quarry search

the original plan was to have the body recovered
in the water at the quarry but that changed
or
recovering the body in the quarry was never planned:
false info was floated to smoke out a leak/mole

sim was posting teasers re what about to occur
and shango showed up to say: nuh uh


Saturday June 25
7:59 pm
simian: The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon. The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk.



Sunday June 26
shango appears the day before the search.
Paulus is released ... Steve Croes' release is ordered
but he doesn't walk out until the next morning

2:58 pm
simian: The music man’s song was not on the bill.

3:09 pm
shango: Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

3:18pm
simian: The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

3:18pm
shango: Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?

3:26 pm
shango: Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key, the door never existed

3:30 pm
shango: Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks.

3:33 pm
shango: Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist

3:40 pm
shango: The key does not exist


shango keeps saying that something changed,
which simian refuses to believe.
something re the evidence/a witness did not go as planned

Paulus is released, a fact not announced to the media
for 2 more hours:
4:04 pm
simian: The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.


then simian is silent for many hours

shango knows what simian doesn't, at this point:
there will be no damning evidence sent from the hague

4:12 pm
shango: The key to edens door did not exist. The refrain has already begun


shango stresses that Joran will take the fall, in that,
even w/o a body as proof of murder,
he will forever be known as the one last seen w/ Natalee

4:50 pm
shango: We must have a sacrifice. Hide dirty hand. Light the fires!

4:55 pm
shango: If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls. we must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys. they go back to the fort with no loot.

4:58 pm
shango: Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze.
 
No loot, but many answers. Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.

5:02 pm
shango: Do not listen to cowgirls who cast shadows on the walls of doubt…. There will be a sacrifice. The cowboys will be happy. The house of Babylon won’t fall and crush the teepees. There will be a sacrifice. Soon many will see smoke signals. Cowboys will go back to fort. But first we need the sacrifice

5:04 pm
shango: Prepare the fires. We need a sacrifice A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot

8:04 pm
shango: The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys. All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat. The gods are talking.

DirtyHand is alive and well.


simian returns, referring to Paulus/saying I told you so.
what has simian been told?
there is no loss of confidence

9:27 pm
simian: The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, 'cause the bird would fly away. The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

9:30 pm
shango: Who knows what song the elder will sing

9:32 pm
shango: His lordship is there to preserve babylon, not the elder. Remember dirtyhand!

9:34 pm
shango: The struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden. The arawaks awaited the key.

His lordship said no. The door to eden remains closed. They are preparing the fire.


eden/garden of paradise could also describe
where Beth et al would be if they found answers

9:36 pm
simian: All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

9:43 pm
shango: Did the babylonians like to make movies? From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

9:48 pm
simian: The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours. The confrontation was brutal. So who heeded his call? Who switched places? People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep. They accuse him to be Bifrons.

10:24 pm
simian: The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone. The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes. This is all a “lugubrious game” to them. They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads. One of them needs to be pinched.

10:26 pm
simian: The Simian only speaks for himself.

10:56 pm
shango: The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden


sim is still confident that the info is correct,
the body will be recovered/evidence disclosed tomorrow

10:59 pm
simian: The package is still due.

11:01 pm
simian: If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow or forever remained closed

11:05 pm
shango: DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

11:09 pm
simian: The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened, but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block. The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague.

The trias works infallibly. The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax. He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.

11:12 pm
shango: Even Flying Birds Sing. If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed

11:19 pm
simian: The Simian asks that his words not be confused with anyone else’s.

11:23 pm
simian: Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.

11:28 pm
babalu: Simian

Any ideas how many days ago. Help me here please.

11:30 pm
Anne: Who took the boy there and home….the blue van with the big speaker. My guess.

11:37 pm
simian: How can so many gamblers be wrong about the girl? This is unbelievable.
The Babylonians need to pinch the ravers. That will need to happen tomorrow.

The Simian is leaving.

11:53 pm
Ragalee: OK, before I sign out, in laymans terms, who would like to make a prediction or educated guess of what will happen tomorrow if anything new?

12:00 am
babalu: Tomorrow they’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I don’t know if he’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

12:19 am
Concerned: Very disjointed
Dirty Hand is casino link to crimes involving, but bigger than, Natalee missing.

12:21 am
Concerned: Arabs are related to this Island????

12:24am
Concerned: Is the kasino owned by Arabs?? Anyone??

12:26 am
Concerned: Arabs do not equal terrorists. I understand that.
Is Dirty Hand an Arab?

12:30 am
Babalu: Concerned, no, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says.So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

12:39 am
simian: Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you.

12:54 am
simian: I am leaving. I am done.

4:00 am
shango: Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting



Monday June 27
the day of the quarry search.
there are late-morning reports that 2 search dogs have "hit"

9:13 am
simian: Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence. The cowboys are looking everywhere, but the land and waters hold many secrets. The Babylonians need to keep an eye on the cowboys. The process muct be protected. The ravers need to be pinched.

10:51 am
simian: The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters. The dead dogs are stinking.

10:59 am
simian: The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen. The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.

11:14 am
simian: The road from the boy’s home leads to the dirty water. Look for Noord and look for Moko. The cowboys feet are wet. They are not quickdraws, they will creep by the inch. It’s deep and wide. The Babylonians need this, before time runs out

11:33 am
simian: Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko. Let your fingers connect the dots.

The cowboys feet are deeper in the dirty water. The vultures are hanging around and are ready to pounce. Hang on to your tubes. The Simian doesn’t want to be right.

12:12 pm
shango: Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting.

If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found

12:26 pm
shango: Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his12:30 AM posting.
 
Simian your Doppleganger is with us

12:28 pm
shango: Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting


nothing is recovered/revealed that day/during the TES search
sim/shango are silent for hours

9:41 pm
shango: One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

9:44 pm
shango: Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:30 A.M. Post. DirtyHand is alive

9:46 pm
shango: Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered

9:48 pm
shango: Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

10:30 pm
drax: Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles= they weren’t on the beach?

10:32 pm
shango: THE DRAX SCORES

10:45pm
shango: Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

10:56pm
Lucy: Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

10:57pm
drax: DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

11:01
shango: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer

11:04 pm
shango: Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

11:13 pm
shango: Lucy spoke at 10:56

11:15 pm
new girl: Lucy Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

11:17 pm
subdude: Per Shango’s last post: DH is in the polis, I think the Chief who is apparently buddies with PVDS. Sorry I missed 36 hours or so of posts> Van Der Straten? Who and how connected?

11:18 pm
shango: DirtyHand does not play with the lions
but he has entered the maze
the lamb is a scapegoat
DirtyHand knows
So does the Elder

11:22 pm
drax: Shango says: Lucy spoke at 10:56

DirtyHand = someone in the police force

11:23 pm
shango: Follow the music
into the maze
the lions know they are being stalked
the gamblers and other Rollers talk
tell the cowboys!

11:46 pm
edie: Where has the simian been tonight?

11:48 pm
shango: The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague. I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen.

The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus

11:52 pm
shango: Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions. Without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys, they will leave without loot

11:59 pm
shango: Only those who cRave music go into the Maze



Tuesday June 28
12:04 am
shango: The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
the music which holds the answers lies within the maze
the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings
backs turned to the maze
never hearing a single note
from the poison song

12:05 am
subdude: Okay Arubans, where are Rave spots on the island. Somebody out there knows. Answer, please.

12:09 am
subdude: Yliana -
Raves as in XTC parties.

12:11 am
shango: All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

12:13 am
Yliana: Subdude: well, there is definitely C&C, Club Havana (when it’s open), Cafe Bahia - those 3 are the most known as far as I’ve heard.

12:13 am
Big Pappy: Well, you said many mazes before, now you mention that the locals know the specific rave which is the bad one (poison songs).

12:14 am
shango: How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes

12:14am
Yliana: And of course you have what we call the mobile pharmacies (aka drug dealers)

12:18am
Big Pappy: Yliana, Can you name some places immediately associated with music and young people on the island other than the bars?

12:22am
Yliana: pappy - we don’t have many places like that - kids usually hang out on the streets or in clubs because there are no other places to hang out. Oh, I forgot a big one - Moomba beach - (near Holliday Inn) - oooh a big one!

12:23 am
shango: Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

12:23am
subdude: Yliana: Why a big one?

12:26am
Yliana: Subdude - Moomba beach is near the beach under the dark skies and it’s known that bartenders serve more than drinks. Especially when it’s full moon party night

12:28 am
shango: Not all lions leave their den

12:30am
Yliana: Most of the cafes are Dutch owned. The Paddock and the Black Hog Saloon are two wild places where the Dutch frequent - not much of a young crowd though. Clubs in hotels come to mind too

12:34am
Yliana: There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held. And these houses are not really mazes but have different rooms where things can happen

12:34am
subdude: Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I believe.Arawaks are Arubans. Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids meeting with Arubans “under cover of delusion” — thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.

12:35am
Yliana: But I seriously doubt there would have been a party on a school night in a country house. It was after all Tuesday!


(it was a school night but not a tuesday)

12:37am
shango:Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon

do not stray from your paths

you hold the key in hand
 
12:39 am
shango: The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon
be careful of the lions
DirtyHand does not have them tamed
but he can enter the den
tell the cowboys

1:05am
subdude: Yliana, Shango mentioned we had opened windows to the heart of Babylon just after our exchange regarding countryhouses. Dutch kids and Arubans meeting out in the country thinking no one noticed. Country house of the dealers which the police chief has been in.

Shango?

1:11 am
shango: See Subdude / Iliana 12:34

1:19am
jetline: Shango, Do you know all of this because you were at the rave and witnessed what happened to Natalee or did someone else at the rave witness what happened and confide in you? Either way you need to report this to the appropriate authorities. If your story happens to be true and you knew it all along, you could be facing serious criminal charges. Otherwise, I think it is safe to assume that you are playing some kind of sick game and leading all readers on a wild goose chase. If the latter is true, I think your IP should be blocked.
 
1:32am
shango: For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye to know it is there


after hours of silence, sim returns/packing attitude:

1:43am
simian: The Simian has a handicap of 12.

1:52 am
simian: The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings. The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading. All things must pass.

1:55 am
shango: Find the music. Only David left the den alive
 
2:01 am
simian: The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping. Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool. The Simian is angry. Over and out.

2:09 am
simian: The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers. Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.

2:13am
Robalo33: someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus, which is an early man, not a monkey.

But simian. more of the stuff this shango says seems more real than your predictions.
Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.

u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

2:15am:
Robalo33: also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset. i believe that is a simeon poser

2:18am
simian: f*** the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

2:21am
simian: The Simian doesn’t make predictions. Only gives the group information ahead of time. Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.

No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.


translation: I will not be mocked. I am bothered by the bobedades (?) of Shango and Shock and Checkme.  They are believed, but should not be.

2:21am
Robalo33: J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian

 
translation: I would rather spend time with a woman like you Simian.

2:23am
Robalo33: Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?


translation: Simian you still do not speak anything true, is it always the same with you, bitch?

2:23am
shango: ?

2:24am
shango: This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.

2:27 am
shango: Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought which would not usually leave the MainStream

2:28am
simian: Cabron seras tu, pendejo. Yo trato de pasar la informacion antes de tiempo, pero Uds. no entienden y creen que todo se soluciona por ser gringo. No hago predicciones y tampoco nunca dije que sabía que paso esa noche.
 
Je ne compris pas quesque tu dire. Que je suis une femme? La vie n’est pas comment tu pense.


translation: You're the bitch, asshole. I try to pass the information ahead of time, but you do not understand and think that everything is solved, being a foreigner. I do not make predictions and I never knew what happened that night.

I don't understand what you're saying. You think I'm a woman? Life is not like/not what you think it is

2:29 am
shango:Babylon is Falling
The Arawak teepees will be crushed
will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion
to make the cowboys smile

2:32am
simian: Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na liña. E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor mañan. Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.

Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi. Nan lanta na porta di bo cas mañan, no spanta.


translation: Shango, get real, do not place yourself at the center. The things you say today can cause sorrow tomorrow. Close your mouth and do not talk of things you know nothing about. Go to sleep, it is late.

Many people are reading the things you are writing. They arise/arrive at the door of your house tomorrow, not [spanta].

2:38 am
chimes: The Simian and authentic others speak the language of Idiom:
A speech form or an expression of a given language that is peculiar to itself grammatically or cannot be understood from the individual meanings of its elements, as in keep tabs on.

2:39 am
shango: The arawaks must hunt the lions
in the place of darkness
house of secrets

2:45 am
shango: Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a Primate

2:50 am
simian: As opposed to? Crack a book some time…

2:50 am
shango: The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
they lost to the lions
dirty hand knows
the elder knows
and so do the arawaks
the cowboys are far from the house of babylon
the maze shall remain dark to all but the arawak nation and the elders

2:53 am
simian: Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.
You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.


translation: Go to sleep! It is late.

2:59 am
shango: The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

3:02 am
simian: Yo solo trato de pasar informacion antes de que se presente en las noticias. Primero, porque no se dicen las como se deben en Fox News o en CNN.

Sinembargo me encuentro ahora con un idiota que se cree hacer predicciones de cosas que no sabe. Alavez, claramente yo tampoco por no haber estado alli. Una vez mas yo solo paso informacion que tengo de gente que estan conectados en la sociedad Arubana.
 
Estoy muy disgustado hoy de leer como esta idiota que se hace llamar Shango esta jugando con los sentimientos de estos gringos y alavez de Nancy Grace hablar de situaciones que ella ni siquiera entiende.


translation: I only try to pass information before it appears on the news. First, because it is not said as it should be on Fox News and CNN.

Now I find myself with an idiot created to make predictions of things they do not know about. At the same time, clearly I do not know either, not having been there. Once again, I only pass information that I have from people in aruban society.

I am very disgusted today to read this idiot called Shango playing with the feeling of these gringos and at the same time Nancy Grace talking of situations she does not understand.

3:06 am
shango: Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect
His lordship brought nothing from the Hague
the simian listens to whisperings of the arawak tongue foolishly thinking he is an insider.

3:10 am
simian: Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.

If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes.


(no more sim/shango posts that night)

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