Lively Case Discussion #522 9/10 - 9/12/2006

[Tylergal]

I can't wait to see Joran's 5/31 witness statement. I have a feeling he mentioned a walk on the beach by the fisherman's huts.

Do you not think those statements were all 'prefab' statements meant to "stick to the same story" as coached by Paulus VanderSlaughter.

[Ono]

Random thoughts:
The Kalpoe's buy their own booze according to this statement.  
Satish was wearing a blue cap?
Why does the 15 minutes spent at Joran's apt. (printing out homework) between the Kalpoe's arrival and the departure for C&C's always get mentioned? I wonder if the trip into the room in the main house, where the family computer is, was also a visit to the VDS's well stocked bar.
Why do they never get asked what was discussed in the car on the way to C&C's?  None of them have ever said what the topic of conversation was and it is important.

I've wondered the same thing regarding the time spent inside Joran's apartment...I think there's a reason why they have to pretend that whatever it was that they were doing there, it was as innocent as schoolwork.  I don't believe it.

[San]

DEEPAK'S 5/31/05 STATEMENT:

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 00.00, I went to pick up Joran at this house.  I went together with mt brother named Satish Sharma KALPIE to pick up Joran at his house.  Satish and I remained approximately 15 minutes at Joran's house.  I must note that Joran lives in an apartment beside the dwelling that his parents live.  Around 00.25, Satish, Joran and I left for "Carlos & Charlies".  I must note that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies at around 00.40.

SATISH'S 5/31/05 STATEMENT:

After Joran was ready, all three of us left for Carlos& Charlies.  Around 11:45 we stepped into the bldg.

[Kat_Gram]

Satish was sitting in the front, passenger seat yet he noticed that Joran was "fingering" Natalee.  I can imagine the Deepak, the driver watching the backseat activities in his rearview mirror but Satish would have had to turn around to see that.  I doubt if Natalee would allow that.

Well, it never happened. Deepak phoned Satish and told him what to say. Then, when he saw Satish, he went over it with him. That is likely why Satish said that he wasn't going to say any more.
With the difference in these details, why did they arrest the guards ?

[mrs. red]

Tyler, I am such a dork.... NOW, I get it!!!

[Anna]

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Good Afternoon, Monkeys,

I read Satish's statement that Joran printed the homework in his apartment.  This would indicate the presence of yet another computer than the one in the main house we have been led to believe was the only one for the entire family.  Satish does not say he and Deepak waited alone in the apartment while Joran went to the main house to print the alleged homework.  I do believe we are missing one entire computer by the time ALE moseys over ten days later.

Not that it would matter.  The computer analysis is the sorriest piece of work I have ever seen by alleged professionals with its disclaimer that they could not read anything that had been deleted and is a joke anyway.  It certainly does not take an expert to read what is left on a hard drive which is all that report even claims to do.

But is there statement to the fact that Joran left the two Kelpoes alone in his apartment and went to the Big House for printing of the homework anywhere?  I mean early in the reports and not after they did away with Joran's computer from his apartment.  Allegedly.

[Smish]

DEEPAK'S 5/31/05 STATEMENT:

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 00.00, I went to pick up Joran at this house.  I went together with mt brother named Satish Sharma KALPIE to pick up Joran at his house.  Satish and I remained approximately 15 minutes at Joran's house.  I must note that Joran lives in an apartment beside the dwelling that his parents live.  Around 00.25, Satish, Joran and I left for "Carlos & Charlies".  I must note that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies at around 00.40.

SATISH'S 5/31/05 STATEMENT:

After Joran was ready, all three of us left for Carlos& Charlies.  Around 11:45 we stepped into the bldg.

Yup,I noticed Satish seems to be off on his time line that night.
Also,in Satish's statement,Dennis Jacobs is the only one taking this statement?Wasn't there a Kelly ALE and Jacobs taking Deepak's 5/31 statement?In Satish's statement it almost sounds like Jacobs is translating from Satish's statement....doesn't sound like Satish is acually giving his statement directly to Jacobs.

[igsigs]

With the difference in these details, why did they arrest the guards ?

I do not believe a reasonable answer to this question exists.

[Anna]

I put Google Earth on my computer the other day, and last night I was looking at Aruba. From the air, that whole place looks like a Gosh-forsaken heck hole.

Except for that one strip of hotels, it all looks like a vast wasteland. Could someone tell me again why the place is supposed to be an island paradise?

Good question...for one thing, it was constantly being 'sold' as the safest place in the Caribbean.  Also, I think the thrill of "flying off to an island" is appealing? Little did anyone dream of just how many pirates still roam the landscape there and just how dangerous Aruba really is.

The "beautiful beaches" are for the most part manmade and developed primarily by the resorts which are mostly American franchises.  They are NOT naturally occurring beaches at all.  I wonder if they have to be maintained or if they would revert to the way the rest of the island is if not maintained by off-shore dredging, etc. should the big hotels cut back or even decide to leave because of lack of business.  

That is why the rest of the island looks as it does, that is how it was before "development" created the resort area.  More of the desert isle than any tropical paradise for sure.  Even the vegetation is stunted, warped by the wind and of the semi-arid variety.  I have been told that the soil is even very poor in many areas with high salt content.  Basically a big block of salt onto which some soil has accumulated over time.  Aruba owes a lot to tourism, that's for sure.  

[Kat_Gram]

We don't have Waffle Houses here in the North. It is cold here today. Winter on its way.
So, my SIL house's is the Waffle House. Big Round Belgian
Homemade waffles, fruit. warmed REAL MAPLE SYRUP from Quebec trees. Sometimes, ice cream on top.
Or Hot Maple Syrup poured on hard packed snow, then use a stick to wrap it up. Straight sugar...

[LilPuma]

Just read Satish's 5-31 statement.  Interesting that he says Joran danced with Natalee, says they went to the lighthouse; both of which Joran denies.   Satish does not mention Deepak going out to the car first, as Deepak has told us, does not mention Deepak being separated from him and Joran.  He also says they left C&C at 1:15, went to the lighthouse, and drove back to the Holiday Inn by 1:45 a.m.   They drove Joran home and were at home by 2:45.  Doesn't add up.

[the big hammer]

SO When Does Satish Arrive at C&C's?

San writes: "...SATISH'S 5/31/05 STATEMENT: After Joran was ready, all three of us left for Carlos& Charlies. Around 11:45 we stepped into the bldg..."

YES!

I have also noted same from Satish's later statement.  This is the SECOND time he provides arrival timing at C&C that is nearly an hour earlier than what both deepak and jvds give...

Do we believe that Satish, therefore, makes the same error in his story TWICE -- during two separate polis interrogations?

This first time I read Satish's later statement, I posted question re: their arrivals.  Note too that deepak puts Satish as the driver to sloot house to pick up jvds, and then to C&C's.  Why?  Joran clearly states that deepak was the driver to C&C's...

It looks to me that deepak and jvds may also be covering for Satish --

-- it is not clear that all 3 arrived together and at the same time: Satish may have been at C&C's earlier.

[bleachedblack]

Good afternoon Monkeys! I just finished reading Satish's statement. Thank-you for posting it and all the others. Does anyone here think that
INTERPOL is going to be going to Aruba to arrest whomever it was that the 3 amigoes handed Natalee over to after they finished driving her around in the car? Maybe then whenl she was unconscious due to the drugs they gave her, they handed her over to MP?

[LilPuma]

SO When Does Satish Arrive at C&C's?

San writes: "...SATISH'S 5/31/05 STATEMENT: After Joran was ready, all three of us left for Carlos& Charlies. Around 11:45 we stepped into the bldg..."

YES!

I have also noted same from Satish's later statement.  This is the SECOND time he provides arrival timing at C&C that is nearly an hour earlier than what both deepak and jvds give...

Do we believe that Satish, therefore, makes the same error in his story TWICE -- during two separate polis interrogations?

This first time I read Satish's later statement, I posted question re: their arrivals.  Note too that deepak puts Satish as the driver to sloot house to pick up jvds, and then to C&C's.  Why?  Joran clearly states that deepak was the driver to C&C's...

It looks to me that deepak and jvds may also be covering for Satish --

-- it is not clear that all 3 arrived together and at the same time: Satish may have been at C&C's earlier.

It could also be that Satish picked up Deepak from work, they picked up Joran from the casino and did ????? until about 12:30.  No homework, no dinner at the Kalpoes, no Paulus pickup from McDonalds AND at least one of the MB guys says they saw Joran in the Kalpoe's car that evening, before C&C.  Melody's posts from last summer say she saw Joran before 12:00 a.m., but she didn't say if it was or wasn't near McDonalds.

[Shizaru]

here's a scenario that follows the same general outine of what I believe ocurred but has greater involvement by 2K:

They head for lighthouse but never get there (explaining why guard didn't see them) because Natalee passes out in the car first.  They stop at deserted spot on Arashi where Deepak says he took a leak, there Natalee gets molested by all 3.  They then head back to her hotel and Joran tells 2K to stop north of Marriott so he can have sex with Natalee on the beach there, he carries her from car to beach and 2K drive off.  One thing I do find suspicious about the trio's statements regarding the beach dropoff, is that none of the three mention Natalee saying a word at that point, no "Why are we stopping here", "Woohoo, the beach!", nothing.  Nor do they mention Joran giving her any reason why they are stopping there, they just describe her getting out of the car and walking off with him.  I think at a minimum 2K are probably lying about her condition when they reached the beach, and if she was conscious she was extremely intoxicated, disoriented and unable to walk without support.

[San]

SO When Does Satish Arrive at C&C's?

San writes: "...SATISH'S 5/31/05 STATEMENT: After Joran was ready, all three of us left for Carlos& Charlies. Around 11:45 we stepped into the bldg..."

YES!

I have also noted same from Satish's later statement.  This is the SECOND time he provides arrival timing at C&C that is nearly an hour earlier than what both deepak and jvds give...

Do we believe that Satish, therefore, makes the same error in his story TWICE -- during two separate polis interrogations?

This first time I read Satish's later statement, I posted question re: their arrivals.  Note too that deepak puts Satish as the driver to sloot house to pick up jvds, and then to C&C's.  Why?  Joran clearly states that deepak was the driver to C&C's...

It looks to me that deepak and jvds may also be covering for Satish --

-- it is not clear that all 3 arrived together and at the same time: Satish may have been at C&C's earlier.

Was Satish the one scoping out CnC's to see who would be the best target.  When Joran and Deepak arrive he tells them who would be the best target.  Was Satish really at CnC's with Koen first.

[bleachedblack]

Shizaru your post fits with my recent thoughts......the reason nothing is mentioned is because she was unconscious by this time.

It is unbelievable to think that none of the three TALKED while jailed and interrogated. I believe, if not in the first couple of months, then at some point since....one of the three have spilled the can of worms. hence the comments about carrying guns, and the completion of the case in a few weeks . The Netherlands knows they are going in after the big boys. Oraganized crime/cartel boys.......

[yapperz1]

Proof Kalpoes did not pick JVDS up at his home?

1. Saturday 5-28-05: Melody went to a party. (Made notation on her calendar)
2. Sunday 5-29-05: Melody went to the movies with her new BF. (noted on calendar because it was when she & new BF shared their 1st kiss)
3. Says she saw JVDS leaning against a pillar very near Seaport Casino (turn corner & cross the road from theater?)
4. JVDS saw her with new BF & his face turned into a "hurt" face.
5. Says she knows the time was b4 12am (midnight)
6. Checked the current schedule for Seaport Cinema: Wednesday thru Tuesday earliest show is at 4:10pm, late shows are 10:10pm & 10:20pm
7. Deepak works @ Cyberzone Internet Cafe, Seaport Mall. (Sunday hours: 2pm - 10pm)
8. **On 8-3 BETH stated to "CNN” that while she was in Alabama BETH learned from a “Mountain Brook High School” male 2005 graduate that on 5-29 at 11:00 PM Prime Suspect J. SLOOT was already with Current Suspect D. KALPOE (he was not leaving the “Holiday Inn,” he was not walking towards or at the “McDonald’s” as he claimed, and he was not with Current Suspect P. SLOOT) and Prime Suspect J. SLOOT offered another “Mountain Brook High School” male a ride back to the “Holiday Inn.”
(from World Journier timeline)
 
So, if JVDS was already with Kalpoe by 11pm, where did they go b4 Carlos n Charlies? Sounds like PVDS changed the time he picked JVDS up @ McDonald's to again cover for the lying sporter

[friend of monkeys]

I put Google Earth on my computer the other day, and last night I was looking at Aruba. From the air, that whole place looks like a Gosh-forsaken heck hole.

Except for that one strip of hotels, it all looks like a vast wasteland. Could someone tell me again why the place is supposed to be an island paradise?

Good question...for one thing, it was constantly being 'sold' as the safest place in the Caribbean.  Also, I think the thrill of "flying off to an island" is appealing? Little did anyone dream of just how many pirates still roam the landscape there and just how dangerous Aruba really is.

     
yes....and i hear it is getting worse....desperate really....
i will never go back

[Leslie]

Friend of Monkeys:  How tall are Mickey John and Abraham Jones?