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« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2006, 12:42:36 PM »

Karin Janssen herself was the one who brought premeditation into the picture.
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« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2006, 12:50:08 PM »

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Karin Janssen herself was the one who brought premeditation into the picture.


Hey San - I like your sig line.  Laughing

I probably should know this, but who decided to make Aruba be a tourist mecca and when?
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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2006, 12:52:09 PM »

hi Monkeys... going to read back... brb
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« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2006, 12:59:23 PM »

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« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2006, 12:59:23 PM »

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Morning, Monkeys.  Lots of theories and speculation going on and so much of it seems so plausible.  I think the truth would have put all the theories to rest, but I think SunFreak might be onto something.  Is this not when they were "driving fast?"  I think that was when they had a very seriously injured or dead Natalee on their hands.

CALL OUT TO MRS. RED:  There must be Waffle House's in the Northeast.  I saw the website of John Kerry's girlfriend and the theme song was by John Kerry, and he was singing, "I get my women at the waffle house."


Sunfreak - I have decided that they ran over her... it makes, in my mind, the most sense for a lot of things.

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, I promise I have never, ever seen one.... and Red and I drive all over the place.... LOL.  Kerry is just trying to "play" to the South...  Laughing
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Hi Yapperz. Did you see I'm famous now? San is quoting me.  Razz
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BT, I saw that   Shocked
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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2006, 01:04:58 PM »

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Morning, Monkeys.  Lots of theories and speculation going on and so much of it seems so plausible.  I think the truth would have put all the theories to rest, but I think SunFreak might be onto something.  Is this not when they were "driving fast?"  I think that was when they had a very seriously injured or dead Natalee on their hands.

CALL OUT TO MRS. RED:  There must be Waffle House's in the Northeast.  I saw the website of John Kerry's girlfriend and the theme song was by John Kerry, and he was singing, "I get my women at the waffle house."


Sunfreak - I have decided that they ran over her... it makes, in my mind, the most sense for a lot of things.

Tyler
, I promise I have never, ever seen one.... and Red and I drive all over the place.... LOL.  Kerry is just trying to "play" to the South...  Laughing
 




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Giario has put up the diario forum which has natalee holloway topics funny that it was started last yr yet no one knew of it till now   will past it below

 
 
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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:13 pm    Post subject: NATALEE HOLLOWAY  
 
 
 
I give up. I didn't mean to incite so much hate. I'm sorry.

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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Natalee Ann Holloway  
 
 
 
I find it strange that this forum was "formed" in July 2005. 1 month after Natalee went "missing" and yet, no one has used this forum except for 1 or 2 people and this forum is from Aruba. Thank you Diario for furnishing this forum and making it available for everyone to use.

For the last 15 months it could have been utilized to help in finding the truth of what happened to Natalee. SOMEONE in Aruba knows what happened but for reasons beyond our knowledge or imagination, that person or people, have withheld this information. WHY? Doesn't the family of Natalee deserve to know what and where their daughter is? Doesn't the good people of Aruba deserve to know?

If it were your daughter, sister, mother or another family member or friend, wouldn't you want these answers? It is not humane for a person to not let Natalee's fate be known. If you know the answers, is this something that you want to live with the rest of your life?

It would be more honorable to reveal what you know to these parents than to keep this information to yourselves. Remember, there is reward money to the person that helps this family. It will be done confidentially. You don't have to give your name. You can work with someone as a mediator. It can be done in the strictest confidence.

Remove this burden from your life, if you do know what happened. Be a hero! Be a silent hero, if you must. Give yourself some peace of mind but please, just give this family of Natalee Ann Holloway some closure of where she is or what has happened.

This whole situation could have been avoided if the truth had been told in the beginning. Too many people have been hurt because of this. The good people of Aruba have been hurt also, not just Natalee and her family. Did we, the USA want this for them? No! Everything was fine between these 2 great countries before this. What happened? Who caused this? Not the USA, but the people or person who caused harm to Natalee. As a result, you will find bitterness between some people, which was not there before. Bitterness and hateful remarks are becoming more and more obvious in blogs on the internet and in our own neighborhoods and countries.

I am sad to say, that the relationship between these 2 countries will never be the same again until these questions are answered. Sure, Aruba will still have some visitors come from the USA but then again, there will not be as many. There is no official boycott of Aruba. Just individual ones, that some people in support of Natalee and her family have chosen to take, until Natalee is either found or some honest person comes forward and tells the truth of what really did happen.

This case of Natalee Holloway will not go away for some of us here in the USA. Never!! The good hard working, deserving citizens of Aruba, will be the ones to suffer for it. I am sad to say this. It isn't fair to Natalee's family or for these people in Aruba either. Life will not be the same as it was before Natalee went missing. One person CAN make the difference. Are YOU, reading this, that ONE person? Or with what you may know, can you live with the knowledge of what happened, the rest of your life? Are you willing to live with this cancer that will eat at your heart, the rest of your life?

I personally never had the privilege of meeting Natalee but it seems now, that I have known her all of her life. Her life, has now become a part of so many other people's lives. She will never be forgotten, nor will the quest to find her, by so many people end. This is one missing person case, that will never be forgotten.

The people who have stayed faithful in this quest with her family, will not let Natalee be forgotten. There are too many people behind them and we will always be searching for the answers in Aruba. That is where the answers lie. One small Island with so much to offer. One small Island and someone knows where and what those answers are. One small Island with a thorn in it's side, now.  

Are YOU that someone that has the answers?? Do the right thing...

Sincerely, Jamie
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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject: Natalee Ann Holloway  
 
 
 
The above message was posted by myself, Jamie. It was not meant to have "guest" applied, as to confuse anyone. I take sole responsibility for it's contents.

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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject: This Forum  
 
 
 
How nice to find this forum here. We want to have a voice in Aruba to speak and hear more about the Natalee Holloway case and anything connected to it. Thank you, Diario, for this opportunity.

Please keep us informed. Most of us do not read Papamiento or Dutch, so we miss a lot of what is said.

Again, thanks.
 
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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject:    
 
 
 
Very nice to see Jossy has a forum to go with his paper. Seems like he is the only one out there that actually cares what is happening. I say horray for Diario, and keep the information coming. Would love to hear some kind of news soon, it has been very quiet.  
 
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 Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Go Jossy Go  
 
 
 
The truth lies in Aruba. We can only hope that Jossy and the Dario can help bring the truth forward for the family. Jossy's dedication to Natalee's story is encouraging and appreciated. Keep digging.  
 
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 Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject:    
 
 
 
I wanted to thank all of you for finding your way and coming here today. I found this forum by chance today and have tried to spread the word of it's existence. This forum had been started last July 2005 but no one had used it. Hopefully someone may offer some help in finding the truth about Natalee.

Lets please don't make this a bashing forum against anyone. This is NOT my blog or forum and I am not an administrator. Diario provided it and I only helped it come alive. Let's see where it goes from here.

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 Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:38 pm    Post subject:    
 
 
 
Thanks to Jossy for providing this forum.

To the people of Aruba:
It is evident that your island is suffering because of this case. In my heart I feel bad for the working people of your island who have family to support. Please help bring this case to a conclusion. Natalee's family deserves to have truthful answers and we want to see justice in this case.
I urge you to post any information concerning the Holloway case. People talk, you may have heard something over the past year that may seem like nothing, or gossip, but you never know what little bit of truth might be included. If you know or have heard anything that may be important, please post. Thank you.
 
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 Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:07 pm    Post subject: Holloway  
 
 
 
I do hope that Jossy and the honest people of Aruba will find their way through the maze of lies so the family of Natalee Holloway will know the truth and justice will be served. Thank you Jossy, for this forum (and thanks to the friend who pointed me here), and may God bless you and yours.
 
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 Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:59 pm    Post subject: Tips and Info needed  
 
 
 
For anyone with information who does not know, the reward money $$$$$ is still available. $250,000.00 US for information leading to Natalee's whereabouts, and $1,000,000.00 US for her safe return. If you have information and would like to confidentially provide it to the family, please let me know and I can put you in contact. Thanks in advance.
 
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 Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject:    
 
 
 
We will ALL remain voices for Natalee. We will ALL search until Justice is served.

Please, it only takes ONE TRUTH. Natalee's family deserves that TRUTH, they deserve to know what happened.
 
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 Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject:    
 
 
 
Support Natalee, her family and justice!

http://www.petitiononline.com/justnat/petition.html
 
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I am posting a special and separate e-mail address here, for anyone who has any information as to where Natalee is, or what may have happened to her. This is a secure, private home e-mail address of mine, that I have set up today and will not be used for my personal use except to correspond with you, if you have any information. Your identity WILL remain confidential. I am assuring you of this. Any information concerning the disappearance of Natalee Ann Holloway that you have to offer, WILL also be kept in the strictest confidence. I am not in the law enforcement or of any other government official status. I am a mother, sister, grandmother, just an average person, like so many others around this world, that this young lady's disappearance has effected so deeply. It has touched our hearts, souls and lives since the day she went missing. Those of us that care so much for Natalee and her entire family will never give up the Hope For Natalee.

Someone in Aruba OR the USA knows exactly what happened to this beautiful young lady. It could very well be that YOU are scared and at this point, don't know WHO to trust with what you may know. I understand this. I am offering to be a mediator between YOU and the PROPER authority. Please, rest assure that your information and identity WILL be protected. The only thing that will change is that YOU will have cleared your conscience and Natalee's family will have the answers they need. This family has gone through enough, for too long and we only want them to finally have peace. I pray that Natalee is still alive and that maybe someone is holding her against her will, and that whoever has her, will let her go home. But, if this is not true, then they especially need closure. This is breaking their hearts, of not knowing what has happened to their daughter. I don't know how they get through each day. I have never lost a child but to lose one and then not even know where she is, has to be the worst thing in your life to endure. I can not even imagine what all they are going through and I can't even pretend to know. I don't know how the people or persons responsible for Natalee's disappearance can even live with their self each day, knowing what they have done to this child.

The e-mail address that I have given is only for information that someone may have. It is NOT being seen or used by anyone other than myself. This is a direct link between YOU and myself ONLY. I am very sincere and honest! I want YOU to know that YOU will NEVER be identified to the public at anytime and no one will ever know that YOU had the courage to provide the information and answers that Natalee's dear family so desperately needs. The only connection between myself and Natalee is that we both live in the state of Alabama and I have a child her same age. And the fact that I care so deeply for this family and for them to know what happened to their daughter. Like so many others, there is not a day that goes by that I don't think of Natalee.

To anyone who may try to play games with me, at this e-mail address and send me things out of hate or spite, be aware now that your return address will be blocked. I will NOT tolerate your selfish and cruel behavior that I have seen or heard about from some of the blogs and forums out there. This is a real person's life we are talking about. Please have the human decency and give Natalee's family this respect. You would not want someone to do that to you, if your child was missing. Please really think about that.

Please come forward...Let's end this now. It has gone on for too long and so many innocent people are being hurt. It will not stop until YOU do what you know is RIGHT, in your heart. It is speaking to you now. The search for Natalee will continue until she is either found OR until those responsible have been found and the truth is known. The person and the name, Natalee Ann Holloway will forever be associated with ALL involved in her disappearance IF the truth is never told. She may not ever be found but we will never let her be forgotten.

I, and many others are pleading with YOU to find it in your heart to come forward now.

Sincerely,
Jamie

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Thank you Jossy! Your hard work is appreciated. We will find Natalee and bring her home. Thank's for all that you do.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: One child DOES make a difference  
 
 
 
 




By Elisa Waldron
Aug 24 2006 05:06PM

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/53120/the_worth_of_a_child_missing_children.html


Below are only parts of a story that Elisa Waldron wrote. Please take the time to read the entire letter at the link above. This letter has come straight from this ladies heart. Not only does it tell of Natalee Holloway but of others that have been murdered or missing. Please read the story below and ask yourself. Can just ONE child make the difference? What if it was YOUR child?


Natalee Holloway was an 18 year old honor student with a scholarship to the University of Alabama waiting for her when she disappeared on May 30, 2005. She was enjoying the paradise that is Aruba with her senior class when she walked out of a bar one night and into international headlines.
I have been watching this mystery through the eyes of a parent; I have two teenagers. I am easily able to feel a sense of horror, loss, fear and disbelief at that thought of a missing child. We like to believe that we can protect our children from harm. We have to believe that once our children leave our care the teachers, the other parents, the bus drivers, the religious leaders, the law enforcement officials…EVERYBODY is looking out for them. To be able to let our children grow up, to be able to confidently wave goodbye and maybe even tell our children “it will be okay”, we have to let go of our own fears and trust in God and all the other people on the planet.

The sad truth is that all the other people on the planet are not trustworthy. They do not all have the same goals or the same ideas of honesty and they certainly do not all love our children the way we do. I admire Beth Twitty so much. I really do. As Natalee’s mother it was she who kept her face and Natalee’s name in the news, in the headlines, at the water cooler. It was she who kept pressing the Aruba officials to, for God’s sake, do something. She was forced to trust what was being done, that it was being done correctly and that because a judge was involved that it wasn’t “Oh, it’s you, Judge…so sorry to have bothered you. Please, have a donut. You can go.”

Not only did she rush to the site of her daughter’s disappearance thousands of miles away, she remained firm and steadfast and able to lead the crusade into the details, the reconstruction of that night. She has said she is aware of sexual abuse against her daughter on that night. I am not sure how well I would handle hearing my baby was raped before she disappeared and where I would find the composure to keep standing in front of the cameras to do interviews and to keep telling the world my daughter is a person, please don’t forget her, please don’t let the bad people in the world know that one child will not matter.

I saw her on television explaining that young girls go missing on Aruba and are sold as sex slaves. I was wondering where she got her composure and understanding her hope that Natalee was still alive somewhere – anywhere—and hoping she would just be found and could go home again.

What I find interesting is that, in fact, one child does indeed matter.

What I would like to see are more people giving more time and effort into doing what they can to help others like themselves. Others who also work to provide for their family’s needs and who are faltering in the worst moment of their lives. The moment they realize their child is missing…the moment policemen knock on their doors to tell them their child is dead. What I would like us all to remember is that it could be us. It could be me tomorrow. It could be you. In your worst moment, wouldn’t you like to be able to look around and realize one child makes a difference? My child matters.


 


YES, one child does matter!!

Give Beth Holloway Twitty back her child, please!
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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2006, 01:05:20 PM »

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« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2006, 01:06:58 PM »

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In addition to Natalee's initiating contact with Joran and flirting with him at the bar, after ignoring him at the casino, the comments by Deepak in his 5/31 statement, that she told Deepak to drive around, and called out some boy's name from the car, are support for my theory that she left with Joran in part based on some sort of typical teenage agenda: Trying to make another boy jealous, or impress her friends, or something like that.  It certainly looks as tho she wanted to be seen leaving with Joran.  

Of course I understand why her parents prefer to believe that she was drugged and that despite being drunk and naive, she would not have gotten in a car with strangers.  However in truth it does a disservice to the family, for those of us who are more emotionally removed and objective, to ignore the strong circumstantial evidence pointing away from that scenario, and towards an impulsive crime of opportunity, date rape gone wrong.   Even if Joran is guilty, which I have no doubt he is, getting locked into the idea that she was drugged, as part of planned abduction and rape by all three suspects, takes you down the wrong path when it comes to such things as determining the most likely crime scene and cause of death.  It has I think even prevented the family from most effectively countering the attacks on Natalee... I suspect that the reason her family has never mentioned the incident of Natalee objecting to the nudity in the DVD that Satish put on, even tho it shows how Joran has been intentionally omitting details that don't fit the nutty/slutty image of Natalee he has been trying to portray, is that it also doesn't fit the idea that Natalee was a helpless prisoner or that she thought she was in a cab.  And furthermore if she was drugged, that leaves open the theoretical possibility that she would have consented to sex with Joran alone.  I've seen many comments by people who believe that Joran is guilty or are on the fence, to the effect of  "maybe she did want Joran, but not 2K as well..."  OTOH, if the truth is that 2K were just the drivers who dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach together,  and then Natalee died fighting against Joran alone (which is what I have concluded is the scenario most consistent with the evidence), that proves that Beth was basically right about who her daughter was, even with inhibitions lowered by intoxication, Natalee would not have consented to sex with a stranger.  So ironically the dogmatic belief on the part of most family supporters that this must have been a planned drugging/abduction/gang rape may actually be depriving Natalee of the moral credit she deserves.


Other than Joran and Deepak's statements - where have we ever heard that Natalee flirted with Joran?  I have seen pictures posted that show she was already dancing with another boy...Joran is NOT a delicious anything... so why would she even acknowledge him at CnC's if she hadn't at the casino? Also, by Joran's own admission he was after another MB girl.... I think they drugged Natalee because she was there at the moment of opportunity....

As for the disagreement regarding Natalee being drugged, even Jossy says quite plainly for $20 the bartenders will drug the drinks. Joran said that he paid $20 for the drinks, that could just be semantics.... I paid $20 for the drinks could also mean  - I paid $20 for each drink....
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« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2006, 01:08:20 PM »

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Morning, Monkeys.  Lots of theories and speculation going on and so much of it seems so plausible.  I think the truth would have put all the theories to rest, but I think SunFreak might be onto something.  Is this not when they were "driving fast?"  I think that was when they had a very seriously injured or dead Natalee on their hands.

CALL OUT TO MRS. RED:  There must be Waffle House's in the Northeast.  I saw the website of John Kerry's girlfriend and the theme song was by John Kerry, and he was singing, "I get my women at the waffle house."


Sunfreak - I have decided that they ran over her... it makes, in my mind, the most sense for a lot of things.

Tyler
, I promise I have never, ever seen one.... and Red and I drive all over the place.... LOL.  Kerry is just trying to "play" to the South...  Laughing


Waffle House - you can pick your state and it will tell you how many stores.

http://www.wafflehouse.com/default.asp

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« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2006, 01:09:58 PM »

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« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2006, 01:13:48 PM »

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Karin Janssen herself was the one who brought premeditation into the picture.


She is legally correct, if you arrive at a bar thirty minutes before closing, buy a girl the equivalent of six drinks in thirty minutes, offer to drive her back to the hotel, she never gets there, and is never seen again, the subsequent crime is never considered accidental, it is legally a premeditated action. The crime is no longer a crime of opportunity, it is considered premeditated. Thus the suspicion of premeditated murder. The purpose of the liquor was the same as a narcotic: remove the girls ability to consent.
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« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2006, 01:14:22 PM »

Mrs Red.. I agree. Natalee showed no interest (to our knowledge) in JVDS. IMO he went to CnC's with an agenda. He knew exactly what to do, when to do it & how to do it.
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« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2006, 01:17:45 PM »

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Mrs Red.. I agree. Natalee showed no interest (to our knowledge) in JVDS. IMO he went to CnC's with an agenda. He knew exactly what to do, when to do it & how to do it.

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« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2006, 01:19:55 PM »

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Karin Janssen herself was the one who brought premeditation into the picture.


She is legally correct, if you arrive at a bar thirty minutes before closing, buy a girl the equivalent of six drinks in thirty minutes, offer to drive her back to the hotel, she never gets there, and is never seen again, the subsequent crime is never considered accidental, it is legally a premeditated action. The crime is no longer a crime of opportunity, it is considered premeditated. Thus the suspicion of premeditated murder. The purpose of the liquor was the same as a narcotic: remove the girls ability to consent.

The premeditation charge was against Paulus.
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« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2006, 01:20:27 PM »

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Morning, Monkeys.  Lots of theories and speculation going on and so much of it seems so plausible.  I think the truth would have put all the theories to rest, but I think SunFreak might be onto something.  Is this not when they were "driving fast?"  I think that was when they had a very seriously injured or dead Natalee on their hands.

CALL OUT TO MRS. RED:  There must be Waffle House's in the Northeast.  I saw the website of John Kerry's girlfriend and the theme song was by John Kerry, and he was singing, "I get my women at the waffle house."


Sunfreak - I have decided that they ran over her... it makes, in my mind, the most sense for a lot of things.

Tyler
, I promise I have never, ever seen one.... and Red and I drive all over the place.... LOL.  Kerry is just trying to "play" to the South...  Laughing


Waffle House - you can pick your state and it will tell you how many stores.

http://www.wafflehouse.com/default.asp

Hi All!


I saw that... ME, CT, MA, RI, NH, NJ and NY are not even listed.... those are all my driving distance places.... and Red hates Waffle House... Shocked  he is all about Cracker Barrell... Laughing
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« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2006, 01:20:59 PM »

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Karin Janssen herself was the one who brought premeditation into the picture.


She is legally correct, if you arrive at a bar thirty minutes before closing, buy a girl the equivalent of six drinks in thirty minutes, offer to drive her back to the hotel, she never gets there, and is never seen again, the subsequent crime is never considered accidental, it is legally a premeditated action. The crime is no longer a crime of opportunity, it is considered premeditated. Thus the suspicion of premeditated murder. The purpose of the liquor was the same as a narcotic: remove the girls ability to consent.


Wolf Hunting Tactics

Wolves are primarily nocturnal animals that avoid the heat of day. They generally commence hunting at dusk.

Wolves detect prey by three primary means, sent (most common), tracking, and chance encounters.

After prey is detected, wolves may split up to search through brush, travel on ridge tops searching for the prey below, or test herds looking for signs of weakness.

It has long been recognized that wolves often take advantage of weak members of the herd. In 1804, Captain Clark of the famed Lewis and Clark expedition wrote that prairie wolves followed buffalo and fed "on those that are killed by accident or those that are too pore or fat to keep up with the ganges."

Just thought this was an interresting comparison  Wink
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« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2006, 01:22:59 PM »

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Mrs Red.. I agree. Natalee showed no interest (to our knowledge) in JVDS. IMO he went to CnC's with an agenda. He knew exactly what to do, when to do it & how to do it.


and again I respectfully disagree with Shiz's assessement of the statement  about the 20 x before....
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« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2006, 01:23:44 PM »

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Morning, Monkeys.  Lots of theories and speculation going on and so much of it seems so plausible.  I think the truth would have put all the theories to rest, but I think SunFreak might be onto something.  Is this not when they were "driving fast?"  I think that was when they had a very seriously injured or dead Natalee on their hands.

CALL OUT TO MRS. RED:  There must be Waffle House's in the Northeast.  I saw the website of John Kerry's girlfriend and the theme song was by John Kerry, and he was singing, "I get my women at the waffle house."


Sunfreak - I have decided that they ran over her... it makes, in my mind, the most sense for a lot of things.

Tyler
, I promise I have never, ever seen one.... and Red and I drive all over the place.... LOL.  Kerry is just trying to "play" to the South...  Laughing


Waffle House - you can pick your state and it will tell you how many stores.

http://www.wafflehouse.com/default.asp

Hi All!

No wafflehouse around here Laughing
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