Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[Rob]

This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news.  That means there are two independent people that saw this happen.  Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there.  Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years.  He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news.  Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing.  Now if this witness can help we could be making progress.  Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing.  Let's keep our fingers crossed here.

 
It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week.

but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement.

and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever

CAPS

Was this funeral on June 2, 2005?

on the 6th

Caps - back a page - are you saying that this is the Ms. Wever who had her funeral on the 6th or is this person a mason and unknown to us?

[johan555]

do you understand dutch caps ?

Yes I do

heeft deze Jalitza Marie Wever  ooit bestaan ?
kent iemand haar op aruba ?
ik heb op diverse forums gezocht en gevraagd maar niemand kent haar


eng
was this Jalitza Marie Wever  a real person ?
who know her on aruba ?

because i found this  Marie Wever Family History and Genealogy

and her name is not on any list

[Destiny]

This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news.  That means there are two independent people that saw this happen.  Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there.  Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years.  He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news.  Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing.  Now if this witness can help we could be making progress.  Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing.  Let's keep our fingers crossed here.

 
It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week.

but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement.

and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever

CAPS

TEST given was in the USA last week

Caps...I was told he was given and passed 2 tests....Great Work Caps!

[ldstlou]

Caps,
You are totally blowing me away!! What an angel you are!!! So glad to see you vindicated also!!!
Saying a pray of thanks for all you have done and a prayer that Natalee is indeed in the crypt, that would be the very best news!!!

Thank you Caps!!

[johan555]

do you understand dutch caps ?

Yes I do

heeft deze Jalitza Marie Wever  ooit bestaan ?
kent iemand haar op aruba ?
ik heb op diverse forums gezocht en gevraagd maar niemand kent haar


eng
was this Jalitza Marie Wever  a real person ?
who know her on aruba ?

because i found this  Marie Wever Family History and Genealogy

and her name is not on any list

this is that list  .... without her name

http://www.museumstuff.com/zg.cgi?ln=Wever&fn=marie

[ldstlou]

I am getting so emotional...have to leave my office because of it!!!

I finally have hope!! Talk to you tonight Monkeys!!!

[CapsLockWizard]

do you understand dutch caps ?

Yes I do

heeft deze Jalitza Marie Wever  ooit bestaan ?
kent iemand haar op aruba ?
ik heb op diverse forums gezocht en gevraagd maar niemand kent haar


eng
was this Jalitza Marie Wever  a real person ?
who know her on aruba ?

because i found this  Marie Wever Family History and Genealogy

and her name is not on any list


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She does exist and the only paper I found her info in where in the newspaper from curacao. LA Prensa

Now she was married and what got my attention is that her ex husband is in the news in Alabama new paper..

the other this is that everyone has a douppleganger and Julitza is Natalee double..

I have asked this question before ...was there a wake helt on the 6th for Natalee and in what church in Aruba ....and the answer was YES.

now Why would they over the Famaly a peace pipe.??

Remeber it is a case of DOUPPLE GANGERS...

Johan,,heb je met Pablo in Aruba gepraat over the overlijden van Julitza? Ik wat interesante uitvindingen gekregen van iemand die Jultiza kende. zij is overleeden van Kanker. maar the vraag is waarom was zij niet begraven in Santa Cruz...zijn adress was Hooiberg...dus district Santa Cruz. Zij is begraven in Oranjestad

[Rob]

Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba.

what is that person's name? if you know..

tia

[johan555]

and this is also strange :

she lived here : geb. Wever   Jalitza M      3/21/1962   Aruba   Hooiberg Kavel 2D

i have someone on  skype ( internet phone )  a dutch woman  and
she live there (Hooiberg area)  for many years .

i asked her if she know this Jalitza and she said to me :
 i know everyone in this area but not this girl Jalitza

[Rob]

and this is also strange :

she lived here : geb. Wever   Jalitza M      3/21/1962   Aruba   Hooiberg Kavel 2D

i have someone on  skype ( internet phone )  a dutch woman  and
she live there (Hooiberg area)  for many years .

i asked her if she know this Jalitza and she said to me :
 i know everyone in this area but not this girl Jalitza

so if I am understanding this correctly in three languages -

Jalitza exists or does not exist.

she may not exist and was created to have a body / funeral to place Natalee's body in her crypt.

she does exist and she and Natalee are in the same crypt.

Natalee's family was offered a peace offering and either did not understand what was happening or turned down the offer.

is that about right?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Besides the Jalitza Marie Wever discussion, Caps, there was also that break in at one cermetery where crypts were disturbed including those of Wevers & other notable names....do you think there is a connection?  We did talk about the possibility...I think it was in 2006.

[SS]

CAPS - it is so good to see you here and to know that you are safe.

[johan555]

and this is also strange :

she lived here : geb. Wever   Jalitza M      3/21/1962   Aruba   Hooiberg Kavel 2D

i have someone on  skype ( internet phone )  a dutch woman  and
she live there (Hooiberg area)  for many years .

i asked her if she know this Jalitza and she said to me :
 i know everyone in this area but not this girl Jalitza

so if I am understanding this correctly in three languages -

Jalitza exists or does not exist.

she may not exist and was created to have a body / funeral to place Natalee's body in her crypt.

she does exist and she and Natalee are in the same crypt.

Natalee's family was offered a peace offering and either did not understand what was happening or turned down the offer.

is that about right?

yes i think so Rob

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba.

what is that person's name? if you know..

tia

The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary.

[johan555]

is it sure that that crypt is in Oranjestad Caps ??

[CapsLockWizard]

This witness does not sound like Caps witness...that is good news.  That means there are two independent people that saw this happen.  Caps witness was a person that lived on Aruba and had a family there.  Caps knew this witness for about 3 1/2 years.  He said he lived in a house on the road where the pond is. So if this is a different person then... that is good news.  Mos has all the info on Caps witness and has done nothing.  Now if this witness can help we could be making progress.  Mos kept insisting there be more than one witness that could corroborate the same thing.  Let's keep our fingers crossed here.

 
It is my witness and to test the withenss in to see if he did not made the story up, he took the test. it was last week.

but the pond was where they hide the body, the next step was a funeral arrangement.

and that involved the Sumerians (the undertaker) = Wever

CAPS

TEST given was in the USA last week

Caps...I was told he was given and passed 2 tests....Great Work Caps!

yes he is solid...

[CapsLockWizard]

is it sure that that crypt is in Oranjestad Caps ??

YEP

[Pita]

Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba.

what is that person's name? if you know..

tia

The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary.

Caps, is Stephen Daal the Grand Master?

[Buckeye]

Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba.

what is that person's name? if you know..

tia

The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary.

Caps, is Stephen Daal the Grand Master?

Looks like he is now...but perhaps Karel Wever, in 2005...

http://www.vrijmetselarij.net/el_sol_naciente/index1.htm

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps - at the corner of LG Smith and and either Havenstraat or Shelpstraat is a statue to the founder of the freemasons on Aruba.

what is that person's name? if you know..

tia

The Sol Naciente is the Mason that has a link to the Mason in holland and is control by the grand master..They have their own cemetary.

Caps, is Stephen Daal the Grand Master?
[/quote

There is Judge Wiks and other that belong to the sol Naciente like Ben Vonking. Duetekom and lawyers...

but the big cahuna is Vrieswijk...but that was long time ago...

Now the new grand master is in Holland....have his name but we are now in ricepaper steps...the time is not right yet...later...