Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[Rob]

Rob, where are you?

I think it was Rob who mentioned that Thailand doesn't have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands.  I guess this means that if something does break in Aruba, they won't be able to arrest Urine????  Is he in Thailand on a student visa?  Could Thailand revoke the student visa?  Rob, do you know more about this extradition stuff?

someone posted that, and I remembered it - and then it seems caesu corrected it.

There is a Dutch Consulate in Los Angeles - I will call them tomorrow and see what they say.

[SS]

Rob, where are you?

I think it was Rob who mentioned that Thailand doesn't have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands.  I guess this means that if something does break in Aruba, they won't be able to arrest Urine????  Is he in Thailand on a student visa?  Could Thailand revoke the student visa?  Rob, do you know more about this extradition stuff?

someone posted that, and I remembered it - and then it seems caesu corrected it.

There is a Dutch Consulate in Los Angeles - I will call them tomorrow and see what they say.

Rob - I posted this on the previous thread.  It sounds like they don't have treaties, and it's a matter of reciprocity.  Reciprocity isn't a guarantee.

The Extradition Act of 1929 allows for extradition of criminals in absence of a treaty onthe subject. Under the Act, the Royal Thai Government may at its discretion surrender to foreign States persons accused or convicted of crimes committed within the jurisdiction of such States,—provided that under the laws of Thailand the crimes are punishable with imprisonment for noless than one year.“ Historically, Thailand has extradited persons to countries with whichThailand does not have an extradition treaty on the basis of reciprocity

[Buckeye]

I believe the Netherlands does have an extradition treaty with Thailand.

Posted by caesu in June 2008:

in 2004 a extradition treaty was signed with Thailand.
came into force april 1st 2005.

precondition was that first 8 years of the sentence were passed in Thailand.

http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/persberichten,2004/08/wots_verdrag_tussen_nederland_en_thailand_getekend.html

Machiel Kuijt was extradited in march 2007. and immediately freed over here.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2898.msg388602#msg388602

[texasmom]

 
 
Post by angelalala at BFN


I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road
 
 

[San]

 
Post by angelalala at BFN


I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road
 

Thank you texasmom for bringing that over.

I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found.

[wreck]

 
Post by angelalala at BFN


I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road
 

Thank you texasmom for bringing that over.

I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found.

Although those "in the know" here can't say anything -- it seems as though it is different this time. 

[klaasend]

 
Post by angelalala at BFN


I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road
 
 

MOS probably wouldn't allow him to search

[echosofangels]

 
Post by angelalala at BFN


I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road
 

Thank you texasmom for bringing that over.

I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found.

Although those "in the know" here can't say anything -- it seems as though it is different this time. 

  what do you mean wreck?

I try my best to stay positive and keep the faith. But, I have to admit....This makes it REALLY Tough.

[AnnieMW1]

Hello Monkeys - Can someone give me a quick update?  Remember 9-11...always.

[wreck]

 
Post by angelalala at BFN


I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road
 

Thank you texasmom for bringing that over.

I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found.

Although those "in the know" here can't say anything -- it seems as though it is different this time. 

  what do you mean wreck?

I try my best to stay positive and keep the faith. But, I have to admit....This makes it REALLY Tough.

It seems that this time "really big guns" are involved. I take that to mean our State Department or higher.

[klaasend]

Hello Monkeys - Can someone give me a quick update?  Remember 9-11...always.

Hi Annie - read the front page of SM.  We were told though that Tim Miller is on his way back home from Aruba already though...just heard that a couple minutes ago.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/

[Poochy]

SS if anyone does it's Klaas, but hopefully she's still asleep !

dutchlady was the first poster to relate a theory regarding a crypt and that was in the end of summer/early fall just months post Natalee's disappearance. I think we all assumed it would be in the graveyard around the corner from Paulus' home, I believe St Anne's? I'd have to look back at my notes from dutchlady and Hammer to be sure.....

I actually never heard of a Masonic cemetary.........

Caps, godspeed and be safe.

Hi there!  Do you still have any of that info?  It would be great if we could repost it in here.  Thanks!

Just home and haven't read to end of thread.  Not the crypt, but I remember the dogs and matchsticks.  The dogs woke the witness??

Dutchlady  June 2005:

....Today, I asked spirit guide for help, and like previous cases the message was the song  with a vision.
‘Matchstick and matchstick cats and dogs, on the street … with the marching clogs’
This without any prompting was repetitive with an image of like straw or hay, as in pickup sticks as a bundle covering the thing they wanted me to see. My spirit guide is strangely Anita 'Conswala' ( it is how they give it to    me as sound) who has not come in before. The place where Natalee is will be found by the Texan dog’s. The bundle of  sticks is near WATER,  that pond?, no it is  near the house. A bin is in the scene, it is red....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1518.msg229651#msg229651

Sorry to be rehashing from few pages back (just catching up) but I saved some old email correspondence from dutchlady.

I'll put together some things (minus personal info) and post here. I recall she explained to me in an email what she thought the 'matchsticks and clogs' meant.

[Pita]

Posted by angelalala, BFN

I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road.

 

Klaas, you can remove my post.  I didn't realize it was already posted.  Thank you!

I did remove it but I'll leave this...it doesn't really matter

[texasmom]

 
Post by angelalala at BFN


I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road
 

Thank you texasmom for bringing that over.

I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found.

Although those "in the know" here can't say anything -- it seems as though it is different this time. 

  what do you mean wreck?

I try my best to stay positive and keep the faith. But, I have to admit....This makes it REALLY Tough.

It seems that this time "really big guns" are involved. I take that to mean our State Department or higher.

Wreck, I pray you're right!  

[Magnolia]

I am still hopeful!

Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the
lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search.

As far as we know Tim went alone.  Maybe a crew is coming
with equipment to search if permission was granted.

[Blue Moon]

I take it this is a game of chess?  One move at a time and hopefully in the end Natalee and her family can call check mate.  God bless them all. It has been too long and the disappointments keep coming.  I pray that BIG, BIG people are involved and watching who in Aruba are covering this up and why.

[Rob]

I am still hopeful!

Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the
lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search.

As far as we know Tim went alone.  Maybe a crew is coming
with equipment to search if permission was granted.

so much for the goodwill of trying to find Mr. Tromp.

[echosofangels]

 
Post by angelalala at BFN


I have some news that will "seem" like ... bad news. I believe Tim will be coming home tomorrow. I don't believe any search was conducted. However, please also know... even assuming this disappointing news becomes fact... IT IS NOT THE END. I've also been told the next article from Diario will be on Monday. We need to hang onto our hearts and our hopes. I firmly believe... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ... we are not alone on this road
 

Thank you texasmom for bringing that over.

I am a firm believer in never say never and I believe Natalee will be found.

Although those "in the know" here can't say anything -- it seems as though it is different this time. 

  what do you mean wreck?

I try my best to stay positive and keep the faith. But, I have to admit....This makes it REALLY Tough.

It seems that this time "really big guns" are involved. I take that to mean our State Department or higher.

Thank You, Wreck.  I'll Be Praying!!!!

[texasmom]

I am still hopeful!

Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the
lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search.

As far as we know Tim went alone.  Maybe a crew is coming
with equipment to search if permission was granted.

Hi Magnolia!
I'm still hopeful too!  I think your "maybe" is a good possibility! 

 

[Rob]

I am still hopeful!

Maybe.... Tim went to Aruba to hand deliver the results of the
lie detector test to Mos and ask for permission to search.

As far as we know Tim went alone.  Maybe a crew is coming
with equipment to search if permission was granted.

Hi Magnolia!
I'm still hopeful too!  I think your "maybe" is a good possibility! 

 

I'm still hopeful also.