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« Reply #620 on: September 12, 2008, 01:50:38 PM »

About that evening in C&C
Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ?
I have read somewhere that they waited outside
The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car.
Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday
I have the idea that joran told Natalee  that he will take a taxi and will bring her home
And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi
Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.)

June 14-2005
"NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee.

My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed.

My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates.

Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions.

Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.)

Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead.

The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car.

Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.)

It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention.

Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone."





Johan...there is a very early post on one of the Aruba boards by Alana's Mom that states that Natalee was last seen getting into a taxi.  This was 5/30 or 5/31. Noy sure if I have it, but will look.

J2K's stories about going back to the car and the their time in C&Cs just don't match up. Then their is the story about Natalee going back inside C&Cs and being escorted out by Deepak.

IMO Deepak was driving - cab driver- and there was another car.

I think is the post you are talking about?

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From what I've heard about the trip, there were excursions to all the bars. The legal drinking age is 18, and these were kids that graduated the day before. We knew there would be drinking. The hotel package was all-inclusive -- all you can eat, all you can drink. That last fact was not something I knew. I had told my daughter not to leave the hotel compound unless on a chaperoned tour/activity. But kids often have a false sense of safety -- especially when they've been told they ARE safe -- and after a few drinks I'm sure they wouldn't exercise the best of judgement. This girl was last seen waving to her friends from a taxi en route to the hotel (the others were walking). They had all exited the bar more or less in a group.

Please keep a tight rein on those kids, especially the girls. I can't figure out how so many people I've talked to recently somehow knew there was a "huge problem" of this sort in Aruba. The only "news" I've found via internet reads like a tourism brochure.

Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions. I will post when we find out something. It is agonizing to wait and not know anything...

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/help-police-how-contact-2244/
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« Reply #621 on: September 12, 2008, 01:51:05 PM »

Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you.
I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO!

Heh Wreck... I've been contemplating as well... you just HAVE to believe that Tim and the rest of the gang know full well by now what to expect from Mos and ALE.  So I don't think they expected a search to be allowed.  Why would they start cooperating now?  I have to believe they have this thing all planned and staged knowing what to anticipate.  Careful Aruba - the cowboys are "onto" your system now. 

I think Tim made a courtesy visit to Mos to ask permission because it is the right thing to do.  But I think they already had a Plan B in mind knowing Mos would be Mos.  Now I'm waiting for Plan B.  Maybe that's why the story was partially disclosed in the Diario.  I can hope.....
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« Reply #622 on: September 12, 2008, 02:00:00 PM »

Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you.
I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO!

Heh Wreck... I've been contemplating as well... you just HAVE to believe that Tim and the rest of the gang know full well by now what to expect from Mos and ALE.  So I don't think they expected a search to be allowed.  Why would they start cooperating now?  I have to believe they have this thing all planned and staged knowing what to anticipate.  Careful Aruba - the cowboys are "onto" your system now. 

I think Tim made a courtesy visit to Mos to ask permission because it is the right thing to do.  But I think they already had a Plan B in mind knowing Mos would be Mos.  Now I'm waiting for Plan B.  Maybe that's why the story was partially disclosed in the Diario.  I can hope.....
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« Reply #624 on: September 12, 2008, 02:07:44 PM »

About that evening in C&C
Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ?
I have read somewhere that they waited outside
The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car.
Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday
I have the idea that joran told Natalee  that he will take a taxi and will bring her home
And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi
Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.)

June 14-2005
"NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee.

My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed.

My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates.

Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions.

Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.)

Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead.

The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car.

Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.)

It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention.

Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone."





Johan...there is a very early post on one of the Aruba boards by Alana's Mom that states that Natalee was last seen getting into a taxi.  This was 5/30 or 5/31. Noy sure if I have it, but will look.

J2K's stories about going back to the car and the their time in C&Cs just don't match up. Then their is the story about Natalee going back inside C&Cs and being escorted out by Deepak.

IMO Deepak was driving - cab driver- and there was another car.

I think is the post you are talking about?

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From what I've heard about the trip, there were excursions to all the bars. The legal drinking age is 18, and these were kids that graduated the day before. We knew there would be drinking. The hotel package was all-inclusive -- all you can eat, all you can drink. That last fact was not something I knew. I had told my daughter not to leave the hotel compound unless on a chaperoned tour/activity. But kids often have a false sense of safety -- especially when they've been told they ARE safe -- and after a few drinks I'm sure they wouldn't exercise the best of judgement. This girl was last seen waving to her friends from a taxi en route to the hotel (the others were walking). They had all exited the bar more or less in a group.

Please keep a tight rein on those kids, especially the girls. I can't figure out how so many people I've talked to recently somehow knew there was a "huge problem" of this sort in Aruba. The only "news" I've found via internet reads like a tourism brochure.

Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions. I will post when we find out something. It is agonizing to wait and not know anything...

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/help-police-how-contact-2244/


Thanks BB...that is one of them...LOL...had a senior moment and couldn't think of arbeej's name. My poor brain can only take so much info these days!

I think there is one with the "known drug dealer"
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« Reply #625 on: September 12, 2008, 02:15:28 PM »

Which shoe was found and posted in Diaro??  Right or left???
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« Reply #626 on: September 12, 2008, 02:23:18 PM »

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Thanks BB...that is one of them...LOL...had a senior moment and couldn't think of arbeej's name. My poor brain can only take so much info these days!

I think there is one with the "known drug dealer"

Maybe this is the one you mean then Mum?

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Just wanted to warn everyone:

My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.

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« Reply #627 on: September 12, 2008, 02:29:06 PM »

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Hans Mos was sent to Aruba as a public relations ploy to convince Americans that they wanted to solve the case. His brash words and "cowboy-like" demeanor were supposed to appeal to us. His goal, however, was to close the case, and he almost succeeded. He had the three re-arrested and a mock-trial before the judge was performed. Working with an extremely limited case file containing only a few communications records (what happened to the 400 pounds of case files sent to Holland?) Hans knew all along the case would get tossed. Of course the judge, Rick Smid, shut the case down again and Hans quietly began shutting down the case, reducing the investigative staff to four "phone answerers."

Then Joran's confession threw a monkey wrench into their best laid plans. How could a confession by Joran be ignored? Hans and crew were totally caught off guard but, true to form, just as the Dutch officials in Aruba have done all along, they tossed it to Judge Smid who promptly shut down the case again.

Notice a pattern here? We've seen it since day one. Right now Hans Mos is doing his Karin Jannsen imitation. He is saying they are actively working on the case when in truth he is inactively working on it so he can officially close it again. That's why he wants nothing to do with witnesses and evidence. He is probably hoping Joran doesn't open his fat mouth again so he can quietly wait til the end of the year, close the case, and flee back to Holland, just as his predecessor Karin Jannsen did.
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« Reply #628 on: September 12, 2008, 02:29:13 PM »

About that evening in C&C
Joran was in C&C and Deepak & Satish also ?
I have read somewhere that they waited outside
The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car.
Joran told often to tourists that he was not from Aruba but also on holiday
I have the idea that joran told Natalee  that he will take a taxi and will bring her home
And that Natalee believed that she was In a taxi
Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.)

June 14-2005
"NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C's! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story 'cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that... It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, "Oh no! That was US!" It was definitely not Natalee.

My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C's closed.

My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates.

Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn't read his facial expressions.

Nat turned down my daughter's invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.)

Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel "with THEM," pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead.

The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car.

Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.)

It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention.

Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone."





Johan...there is a very early post on one of the Aruba boards by Alana's Mom that states that Natalee was last seen getting into a taxi.  This was 5/30 or 5/31. Noy sure if I have it, but will look.

J2K's stories about going back to the car and the their time in C&Cs just don't match up. Then their is the story about Natalee going back inside C&Cs and being escorted out by Deepak.

IMO Deepak was driving - cab driver- and there was another car.

I think is the post you are talking about?

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From what I've heard about the trip, there were excursions to all the bars. The legal drinking age is 18, and these were kids that graduated the day before. We knew there would be drinking. The hotel package was all-inclusive -- all you can eat, all you can drink. That last fact was not something I knew. I had told my daughter not to leave the hotel compound unless on a chaperoned tour/activity. But kids often have a false sense of safety -- especially when they've been told they ARE safe -- and after a few drinks I'm sure they wouldn't exercise the best of judgement. This girl was last seen waving to her friends from a taxi en route to the hotel (the others were walking). They had all exited the bar more or less in a group.

Please keep a tight rein on those kids, especially the girls. I can't figure out how so many people I've talked to recently somehow knew there was a "huge problem" of this sort in Aruba. The only "news" I've found via internet reads like a tourism brochure.

Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions. I will post when we find out something. It is agonizing to wait and not know anything...

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/help-police-how-contact-2244/

So all the student had the Idea that Natalee was in the taxi ,  because those look like regular cars.
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« Reply #629 on: September 12, 2008, 02:34:00 PM »

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Thanks BB...that is one of them...LOL...had a senior moment and couldn't think of arbeej's name. My poor brain can only take so much info these days!

I think there is one with the "known drug dealer"

Maybe this is the one you mean then Mum?

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Just wanted to warn everyone:

My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.

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« Reply #630 on: September 12, 2008, 02:37:47 PM »

Johan...that is how I understand it from what I have read. I believe Natalee thought she was getting in a taxi.
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Hans Mos was sent to Aruba as a public relations ploy to convince Americans that they wanted to solve the case. His brash words and "cowboy-like" demeanor were supposed to appeal to us. His goal, however, was to close the case, and he almost succeeded. He had the three re-arrested and a mock-trial before the judge was performed. Working with an extremely limited case file containing only a few communications records (what happened to the 400 pounds of case files sent to Holland?) Hans knew all along the case would get tossed. Of course the judge, Rick Smid, shut the case down again and Hans quietly began shutting down the case, reducing the investigative staff to four "phone answerers."

Then Joran's confession threw a monkey wrench into their best laid plans. How could a confession by Joran be ignored? Hans and crew were totally caught off guard but, true to form, just as the Dutch officials in Aruba have done all along, they tossed it to Judge Smid who promptly shut down the case again.

Notice a pattern here? We've seen it since day one. Right now Hans Mos is doing his Karin Jannsen imitation. He is saying they are actively working on the case when in truth he is inactively working on it so he can officially close it again. That's why he wants nothing to do with witnesses and evidence. He is probably hoping Joran doesn't open his fat mouth again so he can quietly wait til the end of the year, close the case, and flee back to Holland, just as his predecessor Karin Jannsen did.

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DaY Hiker

 i think that there  are higher powers and they all want to close this case  asap
I think also H powers  here in Holland
They don't like the boycott at all there in Aruba
Holland send someone to Aruba who is suspected of fraud  (karin Janssen ) and now mos  and again no action !

paul vd Sloot

Van der S. lived since 17 years  on the island an three years ago he become  judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. must stop with it . There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits.

so he did lawsuits !

why did they take that decision ? because he is a gambler ? because his son use  drugs ?  or was there more ?
declarations against his son  because of rapes ?



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« Reply #633 on: September 12, 2008, 03:03:08 PM »

Soon as Hans Mos (and company) learned of the new witness, who successfully passed two polygraph tests, placed Joran VanderSloot near the pond with muddy clothes, effectively filled in timeline gaps, and served as a break in the case...

What did he do next???
1) Immediately search the pond? NO
2) Accept a free offer from Tim MIller to search the pond? NO
3) Review the polygraph results with his "team of 20 lawyers'? NO
4) Get excited that there may be a break in the case? NO
5) Try to corroborate the witness statement? NO
6) Feel the need to re-open the case? NO

7) Reveal plans that the site would be drained, excavated, and built on. YES
Cool Send volunteer search group home. YES
9) Dismiss witness statement as unbelievable. YES
10) Disqualify validity of polygraph examination. YES

Does Hans Mos want this case: (a) solved, or (b) to go away??
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Hans Mos was sent to Aruba as a public relations ploy to convince Americans that they wanted to solve the case. His brash words and "cowboy-like" demeanor were supposed to appeal to us. His goal, however, was to close the case, and he almost succeeded. He had the three re-arrested and a mock-trial before the judge was performed. Working with an extremely limited case file containing only a few communications records (what happened to the 400 pounds of case files sent to Holland?) Hans knew all along the case would get tossed. Of course the judge, Rick Smid, shut the case down again and Hans quietly began shutting down the case, reducing the investigative staff to four "phone answerers."

Then Joran's confession threw a monkey wrench into their best laid plans. How could a confession by Joran be ignored? Hans and crew were totally caught off guard but, true to form, just as the Dutch officials in Aruba have done all along, they tossed it to Judge Smid who promptly shut down the case again.

Notice a pattern here? We've seen it since day one. Right now Hans Mos is doing his Karin Jannsen imitation. He is saying they are actively working on the case when in truth he is inactively working on it so he can officially close it again. That's why he wants nothing to do with witnesses and evidence. He is probably hoping Joran doesn't open his fat mouth again so he can quietly wait til the end of the year, close the case, and flee back to Holland, just as his predecessor Karin Jannsen did.


DaY Hiker

 i think that there  are higher powers and they all want to close this case  asap
I think also H powers  here in Holland
They don't like the boycott at all there in Aruba
Holland send someone to Aruba who is suspected of fraud  (karin Janssen ) and now mos  and again no action !

paul vd Sloot

Van der S. lived since 17 years  on the island an three years ago he become  judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. must stop with it . There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits.

so he did lawsuits !

why did they take that decision ? because he is a gambler ? because his son use  drugs ?  or was there more ?
declarations against his son  because of rapes ?




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Johan...Do you have a link, please?

My basic math on when Paulus went to Aruba is not taking me 1991...
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« Reply #635 on: September 12, 2008, 03:22:16 PM »

Johan...that is how I understand it from what I have read. I believe Natalee thought she was getting in a taxi.

******************************************************(!)Yes Mum and she thought she could trust the Taxi driver !
How many times did they USE this Trick?

Who lives there at the Matt Apartments ?

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« Reply #636 on: September 12, 2008, 03:32:03 PM »

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june -2005

   
'Happy' island is already a month grip of missing American girl

Raadsels in Aruba


Does Judge Paul S. his son helped a murder?
ORANJESTAD (Aruba), Saturday
The police station in the district 'North' in Oranjestad, Aruba, Thursday evening. Just now is the Dutch judge Paul van der S. fascinated inwards. Cameraploegen, photographers and dozens of journalists for the door to samengestroomd live report on the matter that Aruba is already weeks in his grip hold: the mysterious disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway.
In fact the American media en masse on Aruba are neergestreken. Large networks such as CNN, ABC and NBC have their own teams sent by the American people to keep the search for Natalee. The arrest of Judge Van der S. day before yesterday was' breaking news' on all major television stations in the U.S.. Teneur of the coverage: mainly with the American tourists so popular Aruba is no longer 'one happy island. "



Missing: Natalee Holloway (box). Only a speedy resolution of the matter seems to be the future of Aruba as a sunny holiday for American tourists to survive.



V.l.n.r. the Dutch judge Paul van der S., his wife Anita and their son, Joran. Hielp his son to leave the disappearance of Natalee? Of his arrest is an attempt by the Aruban justice to show that everything is done in order to resolve the matter?



Mother and father Beth Jug living between hope and fear. "The idea that Natalee is no longer here, is intolerable."

Criminal hotbed
The Dutch island in the Caribbean is a criminal hotbed where holidaying parents their daughters no minute can only ask, so let the reporters in their constituencies roaring reports know. Meanwhile, try the local authorities passionate image of Aruba to save. Only a speedy resolution of the matter seems to be the future of the island as a sunny holiday for American tourists to survive.
One outcome seems since day one step closer. Was Paul van der S. -- A former Cabinet of the Attorney General on Aruba - actually the person who helped his son Joran to let the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Or is the arrest of a wanhoopspoging the Aruban justice to the mighty American media does indeed show that all resources are used to refer the matter to be resolved?
Saturday, May 28. Natalee Holloway was in Aruba with 124 schoolmates neergestreken. The girl has the consent of her parents shut down the high school to celebrate with a rousing holiday in the Caribbean. Preface to the school incidentally resistance against the trip. In the very conservative staalstadje Birmingham in the state of Alabama, some parents but nothing that such a large group of children on a trip with a surveillance "only" seven chaperonnes. The school realizes that there are apparently also risks to the journey stick, because the parents who let their children do in that must sign a statement that the school immunity from responsibility for any accidents.
The group is housed in the Holiday Inn Hotel on Aruba, located on the beautiful snow-white beaches of Palm Beach. On Friday, May 27 met Natalee at the hotel Joran van der S., a 17-year-old boy who studies at the Aruba International School. Joran comes from a respectable family. His father has since 2002 courts in training and his mother teaches at the same school where her three children their lessons. The family Van der S. belongs to the upper-class of Aruba. Joran has his own apartment next to the villa with swimming pool where his parents live. He runs good at school, but is under treatment from a psychiatrist because he's a rather hot flushes character.
In the Holiday Inn shows the clicking between Joran and Naalee, after which the two decisions together the next day to see in the nightclub Carlos' N Charlie's. It is Natales last day on the island, so if Joran at the end of the evening still wants a piece of driving tackles them the chance of a avontuurtje. Two Surinamese friends of Joran, the brothers Deepak and Satish K., seated in the front seats, while the teenagers against each other in the back door and started to kiss. What then happened to this day unclear.
Natalee Holloway is undisputed that no more returns in her hotel. If the girl vanished the next day, is immediately beaten great alarm. Her parents divorced from flying over Alabama and the police warned. Until large misunderstanding of the Americans are Joran and his friends in the first instance only as witnesses heard. The investigation is slow to get off anyway because there are already direct disagreement arises over who should lead the rechercheteam. The Aruban Justice Minister Croes lives for some time onmin with top police and the prosecutor and the Minister does not want the Dutch Police Commissioner Jan van der Straaten the investigation leads. They will however support from the local politiebonden, which still Croes eggs for his money elect and Van der Straaten should stay on.
Soon, the highly experienced police, who are eve of his retirement, a dedicated police team meeting consisting of Aruban and Dutch investigators. The team will furthermore support of seven FBI experts. The initial witnesses' change soon as the three suspects in ever-changing declaration. Joran says that he first went home earlier and Natalee left behind with his two friends. The brothers, however, that they declare the girl at her hotel gedrieën have disposed where they would be drunk inwards gestrompeld. On the security cameras of the Holiday Inn Hotel is nothing to see.
The three were arrested after a week and the car in which the last ride took place with Natalee is for technical investigation into the politielab. The police get more and more convinced that the three know more of the disappearance of Natalee and gradually the research that the conviction by the police (who has trained nearly thirty detectives) that the girl was murdered by them. The search considers it most likely that Natalee was taken to the Light House 'on Aruba, an extinct spot on the northernmost tip of the island. In the eyes of justice would Joran and his friends have since sought sex with the U.S. to do so, but who would not be served and have tegengestribbeld. Natalee Holloway would then have been murdered and her body would leave one of the numerous spots on the island are abandoned or possibly even be dumped into the sea.

Joran father

What happened that night has happened and what further role father Paul Joran van der S. in the crime, remains a mystery. Van der S. seventeen years already lived on the island three years ago and was deputy judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. his duties should resign. There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits.
The police in Aruba begins his actions increasingly suspected to be found if the investigation reveals that Paul gives instructions and all the suspects they are trying to keep what they can and can not be explained. That means that Van der S. prohibiting his son still gets longer visits in the cell, after which the magistrate court proceedings for a short step to challenge this. Last Thursday decision Justice Paul van der S. to arrest on suspicion of involvement in the murder of Natalee. Keihard evidence is lacking so far, but the opaque attitude of Van der S. raises too many questions. Whether the indictment of murder in a later stage remains in force, only time will tell. Justice may also suspected to have landed Van der S. in insurance can say. The indictment could later be adapted for example in the removal of evidence.

Despair
Meanwhile the family of Natalee Holloway despair around. The father and mother of Natalee stay with their new partners already a month in the Holiday Inn Hotel. The Board of the girl is still in the same state as on the day of her disappearance. "We still have not found the strength to vacate the room," says Beth Holloway in the lobby of the hotel, where holidaying on her countrymen to a deafening racket.
"We live between hope and fear. I am now convinced however that the authorities here make every effort to resolve the matter. We are also very much support and love of the Aruban people. But the paradise that was for Aruba We turned into a nightmare. I have with one of those friends of Joran talks, which are now stuck. Unbelievable how cool aloofness and he did about the disappearance of Natalee. I thought that was immediately suspicious. My daughter was the dearest, cheerful and knapste girl that you can imagine. The idea that they are no longer is unbearable. But we do not know what has happened with her if possible even worse. I therefore remain in Aruba until there is clarity about. "



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« Reply #637 on: September 12, 2008, 03:44:48 PM »

Soon as Hans Mos (and company) learned of the new witness, who successfully passed two polygraph tests, placed Joran VanderSloot near the pond with muddy clothes, effectively filled in timeline gaps, and served as a break in the case...

What did he do next???
1) Immediately search the pond? NO
2) Accept a free offer from Tim MIller to search the pond? NO
3) Review the polygraph results with his "team of 20 lawyers'? NO
4) Get excited that there may be a break in the case? NO
5) Try to corroborate the witness statement? NO
6) Feel the need to re-open the case? NO

7) Reveal plans that the site would be drained, excavated, and built on. YES
Cool Send volunteer search group home. YES
9) Dismiss witness statement as unbelievable. YES
10) Disqualify validity of polygraph examination. YES

Does Hans Mos want this case: (a) solved, or (b) to go away??



All great points Buckeye. Three more things of note.

(1) Hans went in like a cowboy but what did he do after both judicial rulings in the suspects favor? He laid down. Rolled over. Put up no fight whatsoever.

(2) Hans re-arrested the three suspects under the thin, hilarious, ridiculous premise that they world talk. In fact, he said it would be to their advantage to talk. Of course they didn't, and Hans had no way of making them do so. This was part of his act. He knew good and well they wouldn't talk.

(3) Hans showed his true colors when he had Beth and Dave flown in and interrogated them worse than he did the three suspects. Hans treated Natalee's parents as if they were the criminals. In fact, Hans blamed Natalee's parents and the US media for screwing up the case.

Hans Mos is a puppet for a corrupt legal and judicial system.
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« Reply #638 on: September 12, 2008, 03:50:28 PM »

Soon as Hans Mos (and company) learned of the new witness, who successfully passed two polygraph tests, placed Joran VanderSloot near the pond with muddy clothes, effectively filled in timeline gaps, and served as a break in the case...

What did he do next???
1) Immediately search the pond? NO
2) Accept a free offer from Tim MIller to search the pond? NO
3) Review the polygraph results with his "team of 20 lawyers'? NO
4) Get excited that there may be a break in the case? NO
5) Try to corroborate the witness statement? NO
6) Feel the need to re-open the case? NO

7) Reveal plans that the site would be drained, excavated, and built on. YES
Cool Send volunteer search group home. YES
9) Dismiss witness statement as unbelievable. YES
10) Disqualify validity of polygraph examination. YES

Does Hans Mos want this case: (a) solved, or (b) to go away??

Well, if Aruba thought they had it bad before -- just wait until THIS hits!!! They ALL MUST be in on the cover-up because they are ALL willing to fall on their own sword.
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« Reply #639 on: September 12, 2008, 03:52:46 PM »


DaY Hiker

 i think that there  are higher powers and they all want to close this case  asap
I think also H powers  here in Holland
They don't like the boycott at all there in Aruba
Holland send someone to Aruba who is suspected of fraud  (karin Janssen ) and now mos  and again no action !

paul vd Sloot

Van der S. lived since 17 years  on the island an three years ago he become  judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. must stop with it . There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits.

so he did lawsuits !

why did they take that decision ? because he is a gambler ? because his son use  drugs ?  or was there more ?
declarations against his son  because of rapes ?




Johan, I don't think Paul had been there but 8 years but that was planty of time to gain powerful friemdships in Prosecutors office, the Judicialry, and Aruban Police Department. In fact we know he had close friends in each of these departments. He was very close friends with Jan van der Straten in ALE, who just happened to be assigned as lead detective on the case. He was very close friends with Ben Vocking who worked for Karin Jannsen in the prosecutor's office. And of course he worked with and was acquainted with all of the Dutch judges in the Netherland Antilles judicial system.

Joran had already has three rape charges leveled against him by underage girls before Natalee went missing and we know damn well he is a huge drug user. How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income?
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