Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[wreck]

I want to see this new witness paraded on USA TV EVERY night for the next 50 years. I want our FBI President mentioning it a speech.

[johan555]

DaY Hiker

 i think that there  are higher powers and they all want to close this case  asap
I think also H powers  here in Holland
They don't like the boycott at all there in Aruba
Holland send someone to Aruba who is suspected of fraud  (karin Janssen ) and now mos  and again no action !

paul vd Sloot

Van der S. lived since 17 years  on the island an three years ago he become  judge in training. The judiciary was not satisfied with its internal functioning and had already taken the decision that Van der S. must stop with it . There was another place within the judiciary searched for him and Van der S. did all no more lawsuits.

so he did lawsuits !

why did they take that decision ? because he is a gambler ? because his son use  drugs ?  or was there more ?
declarations against his son  because of rapes ?

Johan, I don't think Paul had been there but 8 years but that was planty of time to gain powerful friemdships in Prosecutors office, the Judicialry, and Aruban Police Department. In fact we know he had close friends in each of these departments. He was very close friends with Jan van der Straten in ALE, who just happened to be assigned as lead detective on the case. He was very close friends with Ben Vocking who worked for Karin Jannsen in the prosecutor's office. And of course he worked with and was acquainted with all of the Dutch judges in the Netherland Antilles judicial system.

Joran had already has three rape charges leveled against him by underage girls before Natalee went missing and we know damn well he is a huge drug user. How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income?

that is a good one Dayhiker !!  (How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income?)

We all know he is a Bad poker player  so it cost him money !
There are also rumors that he is/was a drugs dealer  ,why was he hanging around the HI ?
Or his income is : to bring female tourists to the Matt /Lion Den complex  for Rape Movies ????

[Blonde]

thanks rob >>>>>>>>> panty boys is new for me 

No he found them

[texasmom]

I always scare everyone off after my "out-on-a-limb"  feelings! 

LOL! 

It's not you, it's me!

  Ya'll aren't scaring me off...just gotta book it back to work!  I love Wreck's "out-on-a-limb" feelings! 

 

are safe there in Texas >>> Texasmom ?

Hi Johan,
Thanks for your concern!  So far we are safe...most of the bad weather will move in later this evening and into tomorrow.  My internet was down when I got home from work...  
My son had already called the company and they hope to have it back on soon, not sure if the problem is weather related or not.  I'm afraid if we get much wind with the rain that we will lose electricity.  I came back here to work so I could catch up...I had a very busy day so I couldn't read much at all except during my lunch.

Hope all of our other Texas monkeys stay safe!

 

[coolhand]

I am freakin livid!  Is there any way we can find a pitbull reporter that will hound the shit out of Aruba until these little bastards get theirs.  I'd like to swim through IKE down to Aruba and kick Mos square in the balls!!!  Klaas please tell me their is someone in the media who will champion this cause!

cool hand with major red ass

[klaasend]

I am freakin livid!  Is there any way we can find a pitbull reporter that will hound the shit out of Aruba until these little bastards get theirs.  I'd like to swim through IKE down to Aruba and kick Mos square in the balls!!!  Klaas please tell me their is someone in the media who will champion this cause!

cool hand with major red ass

Jossy will be publishing part II in Diario on Monday.  Jossy and Tim Miller will both be on the Dana Pretzer show tonight.

[wreck]

I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game."

[Rob]

I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game."

so are you indicating that the Persistence found her in a trap or another scenario?

[Rob]

I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game."

she so are you indicating that the Persistence found her in a trap or another scenario?

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[wreck]

I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game."

she are you indicating that the Persistence found her in a trap or another scenario?

I have always thought the trap -- but the "shin bone"  that Jonathon45 has intrigues me too.

[always 1]

CAPS, are you here, do you have something new????

[klaasend]

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[Lala'sMom]

Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you.
I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO!

Heh Wreck... I've been contemplating as well... you just HAVE to believe that Tim and the rest of the gang know full well by now what to expect from Mos and ALE.  So I don't think they expected a search to be allowed.  Why would they start cooperating now?  I have to believe they have this thing all planned and staged knowing what to anticipate.  Careful Aruba - the cowboys are "onto" your system now. 

I think Tim made a courtesy visit to Mos to ask permission because it is the right thing to do.  But I think they already had a Plan B in mind knowing Mos would be Mos.  Now I'm waiting for Plan B.  Maybe that's why the story was partially disclosed in the Diario.  I can hope.....

This is exactly what is happening...they gave them one more chance..now it's time for the you know what to hit the fan....it's coming...I just feel it...

I said I would not get excited about this...I told myself I wouldn't do it...but I can hope this is the last time Mos can say he doesn't have enough evidence....

[Lala'sMom]

I don't think a search of the pond OR a crypt is going to find anything now anyways. If she was there -- she has already been moved again. I will still take odds that at least part of her has already been recovered. I think we are in the "end game."

Move over I want to sit on your limb with you...

[Dayhiker]

Well, after further contemplation -- I am even more confident that we are finally near resolution. Don't let Tim's departure discourage you.
I just don't think Tim would have gone down there unless they already had ALL their ducks in a row. I think this was one last effort to let Mos (et al) come clean. Apparently it is the same old BS from the local Arubans. My gut feeling is this was their last chance or face going down with the ship. I think this has been essentially solved since about March. JMO!

Heh Wreck... I've been contemplating as well... you just HAVE to believe that Tim and the rest of the gang know full well by now what to expect from Mos and ALE.  So I don't think they expected a search to be allowed.  Why would they start cooperating now?  I have to believe they have this thing all planned and staged knowing what to anticipate.  Careful Aruba - the cowboys are "onto" your system now. 

I think Tim made a courtesy visit to Mos to ask permission because it is the right thing to do.  But I think they already had a Plan B in mind knowing Mos would be Mos.  Now I'm waiting for Plan B.  Maybe that's why the story was partially disclosed in the Diario.  I can hope.....

This is exactly what is happening...they gave them one more chance..now it's time for the you know what to hit the fan....it's coming...I just feel it...

I said I would not get excited about this...I told myself I wouldn't do it...but I can hope this is the last time Mos can say he doesn't have enough evidence....

Joran's confession and Hans Mos' consequent lack of action, combined with Judge Smid's automatic rejection of it as evidence, exposed to the world the corruptness of their system. I hope Tim provides the tipping point to prove that the entire Dutch system as practiced in Aruba is a complete farce and abuses human rights.

How Holland has stood by and watched this favoritism and human rights abuse go on for 3 1/2 years is beyond me. It is obvious and appalling.

[texasmom]

I've had to resort to son's laptop and dialup...it sucks!   

Just wanted to say "Amen" Dayhiker!

Could someone please post the easiest link to Dana's show....still not sure I'll be able to do it, I am trodding in unfamiliar territory here for sure!

Am I already missing the show...it seems like it's taken hours to get here.   

[Dayhiker]

that is a good one Dayhiker !!  (How did he afford his drug and gambling habits with no visible means of income?)

We all know he is a Bad poker player  so it cost him money !
There are also rumors that he is/was a drugs dealer  ,why was he hanging around the HI ?
Or his income is : to bring female tourists to the Matt /Lion Den complex  for Rape Movies ????

Johan, one of the first things that came out in the press was that Natalee was kidnapped by a drug dealer. Then we found out that Joran was on the FBI/DEA watch list when he checked into US Customs on his trip to New York City. Since then we have found out through Patrick von Emm tapes that not only is he a heavy drug user, his chief ambition in life is to be a high stakes drug dealer.

Fold that together with the fact that there are many indicators that say Natalee was drugged by Joran, he was gambling and supporting his drug habits with no visible means of income, his legal bills were obviously fronted by someone who has much more money that his parents can afford, his US lawyer is a well-known MAFIA attorney and, well, it's not far fetched to think that not only was he dealing drugs but he and his father were involved in money laundering as well.

[Dayhiker]

I've had to resort to son's laptop and dialup...it sucks!   

Just wanted to say "Amen" Dayhiker!

Could someone please post the easiest link to Dana's show....still not sure I'll be able to do it, I am trodding in unfamiliar territory here for sure!

Am I already missing the show...it seems like it's taken hours to get here.   

Texmom, go to the front page and in the upper right hand corner there is a box with pic of a monkey with earphones on. Just hit that box and it'll link you there.

[Nut44x4]

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[klaasend]

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