Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[johan555]

Rob who lives here ? on the corner

[johan555]

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) —feb  2008
 Judges have rejected an attempt to re-arrest a Dutch college student in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a prosecutor said Friday.
An appeals court ruled Thursday that authorities do not have enough new evidence to arrest Joran van der Sloot for a third time, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told the Associated Press.
But Kruimel said the three-judge panel decided his statements in the recording conflicted with some of his previous statements to investigators and other evidence in the case.

three-judge panel   :: who are these 3 judges ?

[texasmom]

IMO, the USA would be able to take action itself against a corrupt government with the documentation that the same corrupt government was turning a blind's eye regarding the hunting, raping & we know of at least once the murdering of an American tourist, the USA does not need the Hague.  It may for some reason be decided that is an option.

IIRC, JVDS was identified by a HI staff member as identifying JVDS to Beth when located on the casino video, so in that instance it is not the Lorenzo that was being discussed at that time, it was JVDStoolscum.
All of my prayers that I have said for the lovely Natalee Holloway have included that ALL of the CORRUPT involved with keeping her from her family be brought to bear their responsibility, be stripped of their assets & never more have any influence to repeat their offenses.

What is really ironic when I think back on this horrible tragedy made worst with such corruption & lack of human decency is that MOST of those young adults that were stopped from going to this corrupt place by loving relatives, who may have even balked at their parents & relatives for denying them to go, WILL NEVER ALLOW THEIR CHILDREN in the future, so it is more than one or two decades that will keep their families far away from a place that deprives a family from knowing of their loved ones fate as well as hides the body, preventing the family from burying their loved one according to their religion for eternity & having a resting place to visit.  FOR AS LONG AS SUCH HUMAN INDECENCY IS KNOWN/CONTINUED & Natalee Holloway & her family are disrespected, there will be no forgiving of these actions that are absolutely, undeniably shown as corrupt & institutional corruption, these actions were not only taken against the Holloway family but to other American families as well & on both sexes.  American's are NOT SAFE, the have TARGETS on their backs on that vile island.

JMHO

Loving Natalee Pages 39-40

It's hard for me to believe that it's still the same day I was on my way home from a wonderful family weekend at the lake.  I'm supposed to be picking up Natalee and her friends at the airport in Birmingham right now, not in Aruba looking for her.  We arrive at the Holiday Inn, get out of the van, and go inside the open-air lobby of the hotel.  The coach and DEA agent are to our left, and we turn to walk toward them.  Suddenly everything in my line of sight is overpowered by the image of Natalee's purple duffel bag sitting on the table next to him.  My knees weaken as I continue to walk toward it and the coach.  Staring at the bag, I don't reach over to it.  Don't touch it.  Can't.  Her things immediately become sacred to me.  The coach said he was uncomfortable leaving everything in her room unattended and brought her things to the lobby with him.

I go straight to the DEA agent and begin telling him what we know.  How there is nothing about Natalee's history and character that would explain why she is missing.  How she has never been in any kind of trouble.  I figure the best thing I can do is help this agent understand who she is.

Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! Yes...yes...Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.  He is tall.  Good looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."  My mouth drops wide open.

"Where is he from?"  I ask her.

She replies, "He lives in Aruba."

I stutter, "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"

"Non, non," she says.

"He isn't staying at this hotel?"

"Oh, non!  Non, non..."

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.  I experience a sinking feeling.  My heart is in my throat.  But I'm so perplexed by this revelation that I can't really process it.  We try to figure out how to see what Joran looks like.  If he isn't a guest here, then we have to figure out a way to find him, so that once we locate the police, we will be able to show them who Natalee was last seen with.  Jug's nephew, Thomas, said he played cards with Joran in the casino.  We ask if there are videotapes of the blackjack tables.  Brenda at the front desk says that, since the Excelsior Casino operates seperately from the hotel, it will be difficult to locate someone at this hour to show us the footage from last night.  Maybe tomorrow.  

skip to page 43

It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage.  Scrolling through the videos we see images of Jug's nephew, Thomas, and immediately call him.  He tells us he was sitting with Joran at a blackjack table at the Excelsior Casino last night, Sunday night, before everyone went to Carlos' n Charlie's.  He describes the young man and the clothes he was wearing.  We see Thomas and stop the tape.  Over the phone we tell him what we see.  He begins to describe Joran and where he is sitting.  And bingo, there he is.  Now we have a mental picture of him to go with his first name.

[texasmom]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.msg153794

Chapter 1 of Joran's book: Island boy

some facts/statements from the first chapter titled "Island boy"

page 1

1. his parents had Joran when she was 30, something they choose to do because they first wanted to see something from the world before having their first child

2. he was conceived in Ecuador and his pregnant mother even traveled to Egypt while carrying him

3. she even went ice skating on a frozen lake while carrying him. She fell on the ice.

4. his dad at the time worked at the social legal aid office in Arnhem

5. his mother studied at the art academy and taught at the local Lorentz College

6. she is a painter and makes art/objects of art

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island

[texasmom]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.msg153794

   Chapter 4 - de pimps
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actual title "de pimps"

Page 1:

- aged 16 I had already understood that to chat up girls on had to be "ballsy"

- together with Freddy and Jaime Joran would trawl the beaches and swimming pools to chat up tourists

- Joran knows exactly what to do, confidently walk up to a girl, chat her up a bit, hang around a bit and ask her out. Flirting and all smiles helps a lot. I you walk up to a group of girls with a few boys it is even easier

- dutch boys hang around the bar drinking beer, they aren't up to "smooth talking" the girls. On Aruba there are a lot of hot tourist girls ready for a 1 night stand or holiday romance. If a girl doesn't take to you you will realize this pretty soon and move on. It is a lot easier than in the Netherlands.

- American girls are the loosest/wildest of the lot, Joran thinks it is due to the fact that you can buy a drink here when you are under 21 (American drinking age). Joran says in Aruba you can order a drink if you barely are taller than the bar itself

- tourists strip on the bar and join drinking shows. While girls squat, boys hold bottles of beer in front of their privates and girls drink from it. Everybody loves those things.

page 2:

- American girls are the easiest to get with from all the girls, then come local girls and after that dutch girls

- he likes chatting up best in English

- on the island girls too make the first moves on guys or show how they feel about guys by bumping and grooving into them at clubs. Also giving shows by kissing other girls in front of you.

- the best way to make a girl trust you (and not think you are a local beach bum) is to tell them you are a tourist also. This way they do not think you are just trying to get them into the sack. The more often you try this "lie" the easier it gets to score from it. He would say however that he used to live on Aruba, that they still owned a place there and that this is the reason he knew all the good places to hang at

- Freddy and a few of his friends called themselves "the pimpology crew". As a joke we used to call each other "pimp" when we were chatting up girls.

- Joran also met a lot of girls through sites like: Tickle, MSN, Zorpia, Myspace, Hi5. On these sites Joran had his own page with pictures and some girls from the US and the Netherlands made contact with him through these sites and them agreed to meet him on the island.

- He talks about visiting a girl from the US that he had met on Aruba. They had become friends. He had stayed there for a few weeks while going to a soccer camp in New Jersey

 

[johan555]

there was a case  Mansur VS Aruba

paul vd Sloot was the lawyer for Aruba  what was that for case ?

[johan555]

Press Freedom on Aruba ?

ARUBA

During this period there were no serious incidents against press freedom in Aruba or in the Netherlands Antilles.

The law on control of radio and television stations remains the same. This is an ancient law which still is in effect. But it has not been applied for the longest time.

However, recently, a discussion arose between Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Editor/.Publisher Jossy Mansur of Diario which ended in a court case. The Prime Minister and Mr. Mansur for quite a length of time, especially during the election campaigns have been in discussion. This year, at a certain moment during the campaign the P.M. asked all his party members not to place any advertisement of his party in the Diario. Mr. Mansur also says that the P.M. ordered to stop all government ads, but the latter has not happened.

The ongoing disagreement between Mr. Mansur and the Prime Minister dates back at least 10 years. During the campaign four years ago, the P.M.’s party even had stickers made stating “Don’t believe Diario.”

This situation is at present very delicate and warrants close attention as the P.M. and his party has won the elections and will be forming the new government.

[johan555]

on the NWO blog 

Renee Gielen has on evidence bordering  information that Joran is not the last who have seen  the heavily drugged girl.
The OM of Aruba and the Aruban police have several witnesses prohibited even longer to speak with Renee Gielen.
were is that evidence RG ?

[texasmom]

http://www.awemainta.com/edicionan/1/pdf/31.pdf

[texasmom]

9/6/08

[texasmom]

http://www.awemainta.com/edicionan/1/pdf/31.pdf

 
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 19 JULY 2006 under serial number 35062.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
 
Business address BOEGOEROEI 13-D, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  17 JULY 2006 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DOMPIG-NAAR, ANJELIE NIRMALA; 
Residing in  TUMBA 38, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 11 APRIL 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  17 JULY 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
DOMPIG, GEROLD GEORGE; 
Residing in  TUMBA 38, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  SURINAME, PARAMARIBO on 13 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  20 NOVEMBER 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN BEVEILIGINGS- EN BEWAKINGSBEDRIJF. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 

[Rob]

Rob who lives here ? on the corner

no one - it was just something I was interested in at the time.

[johan555]

Shocking
i found a "secret"    (48 pages) document about tortures   on aruba in police cells and the KIA

[Lala'sMom]

there was a case  Mansur VS Aruba

paul vd Sloot was the lawyer for Aruba  what was that for case ?

This is one of the primary reasons for the lack of effort on Aruba...it's all political.  The MEP and the AVP are fighting each other for dominance down there.  Elections will come again soon and this time AVP want's to emerge the winner. There are several other parties there, although small, have a voice also depending on who is in power. It will be interesting to see how the next election plays out on Aruba. At this point there is nothing to change the status quo.  MOO

[Lala'sMom]

Shocking
i found a "secret"    (48 pages) document about tortures   on aruba in police cells and the KIA

Interesting.  Hmmmm.  I see they list Deutekom as just a public prosecutor only.  No elevated status there...but Mos seems to be over good ole Frans.  Wonder how he feels about that since he's been in this game longer than Mos...or has he?

So many names just jump right out at me ...very interesting indeed!

[SS]

If young female American tourists were targets, I could see some sort of "hate crime" issue. Might rise to the international human rights level?? 

In order to start a case like this, would we need other American tourists to come forward and testify that they had been victims?

[SS]

I wonder if Paulass will try to leave Aruba before Jossy's Part #2 of the witness statement hits the papers on Monday????

[Slogger]

Didn't Mos say that in order to prosecute the case he would
need a witness or a confession?

Hey, Hans Mos, you have had both a confession and a witness.
When you gonna prosecute?

Well to Mos they don't jive...the confession was on the beach and the witness saw him at a pond. So that is Mos excuse this time, I suppose.

So pick one.  He said either or.
Supposedly there is yet another confession out there that has not been made public.
Joran made another confession since he has been in Thailand.

Well, I will say this...if the reason they denied Paulus compensation was due to someone seeing Paulus at the ATM in the jeep and this witness says he saw him too..then that tome is corroborating evidence.  But Mos won't see it that way...as far as he is concerned Joran said he was on the beach and she died accidentally that night.

Never thought of that, very good point. Corroboration.

Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am.
Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am.

Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night.
The operator was definitley not soundly sleeping in his bed as reported.
He did not seem to remember a phone call in the middle of the night.

Passenger was definitely not home looking at porn @315am.
Passenger did not ride home in a Honda.

Red jeep observed by witness at approximately 4am.

Red jeep observed at McDonalds with Joran (and Natalee) at approximately 4am.

Sounds like the red jeep was busy that night.

- - - -

VDS auto seen by neighbor, arriving home around 4am.

Two things we know about that night from Joran's babbling to Patrick:
1.  Joran was there when Natalee died.
2.  Joran had help . . . "Daury."

"Daury" is nailed to the wall.

mo

"Daury" is nailed to the wall.

[klaasend]

Posted at BFN today:

Joran was and is a smart killer who created the timeline, starting at 2.26am May 30, 2005.

What problems was Joran facing and which ones he had to solve that night ?

1 - his beachalibi to cover up the real crimescene. [ his apartment]
2 - the lie he had to tell his dad,who he feared most .
3 - the forensic evidence, the shoes, clothes, smell etcetera. [soccer pond]

Could the new witness statement be true ? Yes it could.
It confirms Paulus wasn't asleep.
It confirms that he wasn't at home.

First clue.

The behavior of Paulus after the arrival of Beth Holloway at the gate of the VDSresidence is showing that the lie Joran told them didn't fit with the lie Joran told him on the phone and in the Jeep.
Paulus is always present when the Kalpoe brothers are visiting Joran and on Tuesday, May 31 Paulus is seen by Beth in the lobby of the Holiday Inn hotel. [page 80 - Loving Natalee]

Paulus steering role started on Tuesday after he checked if someone [videocam] could have seen him being in and leaving the hotel the night Natalee vanished. Paulus' real alibi is the casino, which he had to hide from Anita, his wife. Joran involved his dad to escape from prosecution.
Joran has the Joker in this family secret.

Did Paulus, when Anita returned home on Wednesday, told her that he picked up Joran at around 4.05am on mondaymorning or did Paulus already decided to be ' asleep' all night ?

For Anita he was at home. He had to. He never told Anita that he asked Joran to babysit after Paulus picked him up the evening before at 10.15pm. {computer login Joran, around 10.30pm] Sunday May 29 2005

Two liars and Valentijn, a younger son and brother as a key witness.

Guilty until proven innocent

[KYcat]

Good Morning Monkeys,  haven't posted in a while but have been reading and keeping up.  I was so excited to hear of the witness coming forth and that he is protected now.  But now I am let down again as all the bullsh..t just keeps on coming from Aruba.  I want to make it clear that when I say Aruba I do mean all the corrupt officials, et al.  I do not mean the good people of Aruba who have been hurt by this case.  Anyone affiliated with investigating this case on the Aruba side (officials) are CORRUPT.  It is that simple.  I don't mean Jossy or CAPS or Johan or others that care about justice being done.   Everyone who cares is trying to be patient as we have for the last three years but this is SO IN YOUR FACE!  All the BS tactics, lies, destroying evidence, protecting the guilty is all so obvious that this case should have been solved loooooooooooooooong  ago! 

Any average intelligent person can see what has happened with this case, it sure as hell doesn't take a rocket scientist.  I realize that most of us do not know all that is known by the people closest to this case or the FBI  (most have much more inside info than I have) but with what is known and has been uncovered there should have been a conviction by now at least in the USA there would have been.  Of course, there is corruption in the USA just like everywhere else BUT like I said this is SO IN YOUR FACE!   So I pray that the FBI or State Department or WHOEVER will do what it takes to bring justice in this case.  WHERE ARE OUR COWBOYS?????  That is exactly what we need to bring closure because the Aruban officials will never, I repeat NEVER, do what it takes to bring justice.

Just needed to vent.  I am so pissssssssssssssssssed off.  JMHO