Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[johan555]

where was the (Alex )old SPICE Night Club  ?

[johan555]

strange diario is offline 

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

[SS]

strange diario is offline 

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

I wonder if they are updating their website for the day or if ALE has possibly cut off their internet access.

Is TES involved in the search and rescue that is going on along the Texas coast?

[johan555]

strange diario is offline 

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

I wonder if they are updating their website for the day or if ALE has possibly cut off their internet access.

Is TES involved in the search and rescue that is going on along the Texas coast?

updating ? no no i think the site is hacked

i remember this post on the ducth nwo blog

   February 28th, 2008 at 16:00
Warning to anyone who dares Renee Gielen ask questions about sources: you get fraudulent phone calls and your computer is hacked. I dare not even to say who I am but will be very grateful for this information sharing
  I stop posting here , it's too dangerous.

Renee, please be honest and tell everyone that you are a friend of Joran and his mother and the official spokesperson of the Van der Slors family, therefore, they can understand your motives more clearly.

[johan555]

strange diario is offline 

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

I wonder if they are updating their website for the day or if ALE has possibly cut off their internet access.

Is TES involved in the search and rescue that is going on along the Texas coast?

updating ? no no i think the site is hacked

i remember this post on the ducth nwo blog

   February 28th, 2008 at 16:00
Warning to anyone who dares Renee Gielen ask questions about sources: you get fraudulent phone calls and your computer is hacked. I dare not even to say who I am but will be very grateful for this information sharing
  I stop posting here , it's too dangerous.

Renee, please be honest and tell everyone that you are a friend of Joran and his mother and the official spokesperson of the Van der Slors family, therefore, they can understand your motives more clearly.

this will no say she (RG) did this

[johan555]

Here is to show Julia/Glenda she is wrong again.  There are lights on the courts near Monstrat pond.... And I was told they were on at night.  Guess Glenda is on one of her delusional rants.

All the light on in the middle of the night ????

[SS]

I wonder if Red can get us a translated version of the article from another source.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time
(2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???)
(3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in
(4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish)
(5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish)
(6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish)


Questions:
Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish?

Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time?

Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit??

What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how?

Miscellaneous:
Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man.

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement.

Who dropped off Joran at or near the pond?  Could Natalee have been in a coma at that time?  Perhaps she was left in the middle of the pond while still alive along with JVDS shoe?  No hope of surviving?  Three witnesses to her condition, the drop off driver, JVDS, and Natalee?

Could ALE or someone have recovered the body from the pond?  Would the body show that Natalee expired before being put in the pond?  Or, that she drowned (or something like that) after being put in the pond?

Is it possible that 2K did not drop Joran off anywhere but home or the VIP club?

Could J2K have recovered the body the following night and perhaps it was in the trunk of the Kalpoe vehicle when the posse arrived?  I wonder if Joran's clothing was wet at some point that night?  IIRC, they were a described as a bit dirty and not in casino appropriate clothing.  Maybe there was another person involved in pulling the body?  Or, the pond was searched early on, and the body planted there later?

I also wonder about the witness that reported the Kalpoe vehicle headed to JVDS home in the early morning hours.  How many witness may have come forward with car sightings?  IIRC, the Kalpoe vehicle was distinctive and loud.  jmho

[echosofangels]

Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time
(2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???)
(3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in
(4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish)
(5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish)
(6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish)


Questions:
Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish?

Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time?

Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit??

What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how?

Miscellaneous:
Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man.

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement.

What about that person we all thought was Paulus in the casino that fateful night-was that ever proven to be, or not to be, him ?  [ That's one contact & then ? ---Helping Joran  hide her body ? ]...

It has been reported Not to be Paulus. but, With all the lies and cover up......Can that Be believed?  I Think not.  MO

[SS]

At one point, we were told that three cars were involved.  Car #1 was the Kalpoes who had gone home and returned. Car #2 was DTKM (Dirty Hand/Daury?) and another official in the car. Car #2 called Paulass to pick up Urine who was walking.  Paulass became Car #3.

[Sharon/Tx]

strange diario is offline 

http://www.diario-aruba.com/

I wonder if they are updating their website for the day or if ALE has possibly cut off their internet access.

Is TES involved in the search and rescue that is going on along the Texas coast?

I keep watching and listening but have not heard anything about TES.  Their area also got hit hard so I presume many volunteers are without power.  If I hear anything here in Houston, I will post.

[BUCKSHOT]

Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time
(2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???)
(3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in
(4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish)
(5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish)
(6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish)


Questions:
Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish?

Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time?

Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit??

What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how?

Miscellaneous:
Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man.

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement.

Who dropped off Joran at or near the pond?  Could Natalee have been in a coma at that time?  Perhaps she was left in the middle of the pond while still alive along with JVDS shoe?  No hope of surviving?  Three witnesses to her condition, the drop off driver, JVDS, and Natalee?

Could ALE or someone have recovered the body from the pond?  Would the body show that Natalee expired before being put in the pond?  Or, that she drowned (or something like that) after being put in the pond?

Is it possible that 2K did not drop Joran off anywhere but home or the VIP club?

Could J2K have recovered the body the following night and perhaps it was in the trunk of the Kalpoe vehicle when the posse arrived?  I wonder if Joran's clothing was wet at some point that night?  IIRC, they were a described as a bit dirty and not in casino appropriate clothing.  Maybe there was another person involved in pulling the body?  Or, the pond was searched early on, and the body planted there later?

I also wonder about the witness that reported the Kalpoe vehicle headed to JVDS home in the early morning hours.  How many witness may have come forward with car sightings?  IIRC, the Kalpoe vehicle was distinctive and loud.  jmho

I also wonder about the witness that reported the Kalpoe vehicle headed to JVDS home in the early morning hours.

I think this is true. It was mentioned a few times, very early in the case, and then....
POOF...It never happened.

[Poochy]

Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time
(2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???)
(3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in
(4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish)
(5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish)
(6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish)


Questions:
Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish?

Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time?

Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit??

What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how?

Miscellaneous:
Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man.

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement.

What about that person we all thought was Paulus in the casino that fateful night-was that ever proven to be, or not to be, him ?  [ That's one contact & then ? ---Helping Joran  hide her body ? ]...

It has been reported Not to be Paulus. but, With all the lies and cover up......Can that Be believed?  I Think not.  MO

I always thought it was him until I saw the SECOND picture on this page - it looks nothing like Paulus, but it does look like Joran is talking w/him, and so is Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

But the fact that it may not be Paulus has nothing to do with the fact that he was around for Joran at 4am and then googling the effects of drinking and drugs on his own computer.

[Pita]

where was the (Alex )old SPICE Night Club  ?

THE SPICE COCKTAIL LOUNGE 
 
Business address NOORD 39-A, NOORD 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  THE SPICE COCKTAIL LOUNGE 
Date of commencement  24 APRIL 2001 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN STRICKEN FROM OUR FILES 3 FEBRUARY 2005 
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
MATHEW, EDWARDO ALEXANDRO ANTONIO; 
Residing in  PALM BEACH 200, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 9 FEBRUARY 1973 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  24 APRIL 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 

[Lala'sMom]

Caps response to a question about those exotic dinner clubs on Aruba:



CapsLockWizard
Scared Monkey

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?

There are several, chinese Rest. But in Indonisia or how the Dutch call it, Lekker exotic dinners is only one. The food they sell is mostly Dutch chinese Cuisine.

Not The House of Rave. There is several House of rave in Aruba but in Noord there is none left.

Alex had the last one and it was Called Spice Night Club. Meaning hot, sexy, you know. He was robed of all this and end up in Jail. The palce is till there but to find it you had to know what was in Noord as house of Rave.

From the House of Joran there is was a House of Rave that night but not gold brick.

on a straight path means from the Police station go straight. Pass the house of Rave (Alex old SPICE Night Club)
To the Gold Bricks (These are the Fininacial Institution) Banks - Aruba Bank

Trun Left till the dirt road....on the Dirt road you will find the pond.

The pond is Behine the Restaurant LEKKER RESTAURANT (e X o T i C   D i N n A (r)

Here is the mistery

[Lala'sMom]

If anyone has the time try reading a little on this page at this link.  Info about Mathews and the Spice Night Club and various other things some might be interested in.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2880

[Lala'sMom]

The Spice Night Club was first operated by Mathews and then his now ex-wife took over and turned it into a Rave house of some kind and got into trouble with debts and such.  Seems they finally sold it to someone else in the end.  It began as a nice dinner club and didn't turn out too well in the end.  Seems Mathews wanted to have a security group  of some kind and let his wife run the club.  Mathews seemed to keep pretty close tabs on the money and he didn't like what he saw.  In the end it was sold and became something else.

[cubbeegirl]

Hey monkeys! I still have no cable or internet and cannot get a response from my provider as to an estimate of when I might get it back...just people in India looking at the MOP, telling me that "dere is no service.." I am at a friends and only have a few minutes on here.... I know it is rude to ask, but can someone give me a quick update as to what is going on???
TYIA

[klaasend]

Cubbee - I'm barely aware but I'll tell you what I can.  There is a witness that saw Joran muddy with one shoe walking that night.  Also saw PVDS in a red jeep pick him up.  Diario is printing it.  The witness came to the US and did polygraphs which he passed.  MOS won't let TES search. 

[klaasend]

Diario website is down for me this morning    Anyone else able to get it?