Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[Buckeye]

Posted by Pearl at BFN:

What I make of it :
A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw
by a tree,
dam of Montseret - hotel
 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?)
saw good and clear
clothes flanel color
leg limp in right leg
breathing heavily
clothes were wet and muddy
much color flanel much
lb of blood showing
wet with water and mud
watched til went out of site
went in direction of hotel
tourist heard of case of missing girl
knew had seen pair
recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper
afraid when heard father in power with police friends
witness didn't feel safe
the Madruga
500 meters from dam of montseret at north
sonor test of some water
water level caused stop
like Mos knew of witness
tried to discredit defending Joran

Diario knowing this for months.  Will give more soon
witness is in states, has an attorney
has passed 2 polygraph tests
he was in his room and saw this.

Posted by angelalala at BFN:

Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy...



Angela,
 
Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family.
 
I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case.
 
Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
 
We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people.
 
You can use anything I tell you in any public forum.
 
Take care
 
Jossy


Thanks to all.

[MumInOhio]

Posted by Pearl at BFN:

What I make of it :
A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw
by a tree,
dam of Montseret - hotel
 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?)
saw good and clear
clothes flanel color
leg limp in right leg
breathing heavily
clothes were wet and muddy
much color flanel much
lb of blood showing
wet with water and mud
watched til went out of site
went in direction of hotel
tourist heard of case of missing girl
knew had seen pair
recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper
afraid when heard father in power with police friends
witness didn't feel safe
the Madruga
500 meters from dam of montseret at north
sonor test of some water
water level caused stop
like Mos knew of witness
tried to discredit defending Joran

Diario knowing this for months.  Will give more soon
witness is in states, has an attorney
has passed 2 polygraph tests
he was in his room and saw this.

Posted by angelalala at BFN:

Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy...



Angela,
 
Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family.
 
I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case.
 
Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
 
We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people.
 
You can use anything I tell you in any public forum.
 
Take care
 
Jossy


Thanks to all.

Thanks Buckeye for bringing that over....Interesting...

[texasmom]

Posted by Pearl at BFN:

What I make of it :
A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw
by a tree,
dam of Montseret - hotel
 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?)
saw good and clear
clothes flanel color
leg limp in right leg
breathing heavily
clothes were wet and muddy
much color flanel much
lb of blood showing
wet with water and mud
watched til went out of site
went in direction of hotel
tourist heard of case of missing girl
knew had seen pair
recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper
afraid when heard father in power with police friends
witness didn't feel safe
the Madruga
500 meters from dam of montseret at north
sonor test of some water
water level caused stop
like Mos knew of witness
tried to discredit defending Joran

Diario knowing this for months.  Will give more soon
witness is in states, has an attorney
has passed 2 polygraph tests
he was in his room and saw this.

Posted by angelalala at BFN:

Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy...



Angela,
 
Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family.
 
I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case.
 
Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
 
We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people.
 
You can use anything I tell you in any public forum.
 
Take care
 
Jossy


Thanks to all.

WOW....I'm at work, but maybe I need to take a personal day!

Thanks for the information!  Please keep it coming!

 

[Lala'sMom]

About time!! Wondered how long anyone would wait. If it is Caps witness, I never heard mention of Paulus in the story.  Nevertheless, this could be relatively good news.  Keep in mind that you have to prove everything to ALE down there so who knows...this could be much ado again only to get our hopes bashed once more.

[Lala'sMom]

Posted by Pearl at BFN:

What I make of it :
A tourist inside his room/casa at 4:05 saw  Caps said it was somebody that lived on island.
by a tree,
dam of Montseret - hotel
 1 person, notably tall male, color of cuero cla (white?)
saw good and clear
clothes flanel color I wonder what color that is...red maybe?
leg limp in right leg
breathing heavily
clothes were wet and muddy This is the same as Caps witness story.
much color flanel much
lb of blood showing  Never heard anything about blood.
wet with water and mud
watched til went out of site
went in direction of hotel
tourist heard of case of missing girl Caps witness was not a tourist.
knew had seen pair
recognized male as Joran when saw photo in paper
afraid when heard father in power with police friends
witness didn't feel safe  This is exactly like Caps witness story.
the Madruga
500 meters from dam of montseret at north
sonor test of some water
water level caused stop
like Mos knew of witness
tried to discredit defending Joran

Diario knowing this for months.  Will give more soon
witness is in states, has an attorney
has passed 2 polygraph tests
he was in his room and saw this. Caps witness went to an attorney...not in a hotel room.

Posted by angelalala at BFN:

Well... here's my unedited response from Jossy...



Angela,
 
Hi. Hope everything's okay with you and your family.
 
I'm confident that with this new development, and if Mos doesn't interfere by destroying evidence, we will see an end to this very sad case.
 
Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
 
We are willing to take on Mos and whomever else wants to raise obstacles in the path to the solution of the Nathalie case. We have some pretty good information now that can open the road to a definite solution to the case. It will all depend on how strongly the prosecution will want to oppose our findings. Personally, and from what I've seen in this case, I don't trust those people.
 
You can use anything I tell you in any public forum.
 
Take care
 
Jossy


Thanks to all.

This must be someone else besides Caps witness...because only a few things fit with what I know about the witness.  So maybe this is corroborating evidence to go with Caps witness too.  Mos always insisted that there be someone else to back up what was said or seen.

[Rob]

I'll repost a bunch of maps and photos for those unaware of the pond and the info in the Shango thread. Feel free to copy any of the images.

[Destiny]

I'll repost a bunch of maps and photos for those unaware of the pond and the info in the Shango thread. Feel free to copy any of the images.

Yea...my photo Diario took for us...there were 3 in total I think....am calling Aruba again right now....Des

[klaasend]

Posted May 5 2008

Jonathan45 at scrux 


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:   
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225


Caps reply:

How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains.

it has arrived yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379230

 

Two of my favorite people, Capslock and J45!

[Rob]

When I looked at this again - I thought this ->



then I said no way...

no way...

no way...

no way...

[Altruist]

Early hours of today I was fortunate to have a conversation with two people who have experience with Search & Rescue (SAR) dogs.  Pretty much dogs in the USA are trained for one scent.

So in the USA, a dog is trained for a drugs, may even be specific drugs, didn't ask
are trained to search for people's scents, or are cadaver.  In the USA there is not a dog that does all, they are specialists, per se.

Just thought I would share, it is fascinating.

[texasmom]

Posted May 5 2008

Jonathan45 at scrux 


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:   
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225


Caps reply:

How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains.

it has arrived yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379230

 

Two of my favorite people, Capslock and J45!

Mine too!   

[Altruist]

wow Rob, never even thought about that when previously looking at that photo but with that 5 gallon bucket (what it looks like) sitting there which it would take like what do you figure 4+ of those lined up to make it over 5'?

Uggghhhhhhh.

[Destiny]

THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny:



    HalloXXXXXXX

    The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz.
    That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again.
     
    I let you know as soon I have more information about it.
     
    We stay in touch
    Bye
    have a nice day
  XXXXXXXXXX

[klaasend]

THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny:



    HalloXXXXXXX

    The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz.
    That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again.
     
    I let you know as soon I have more information about it.
     
    We stay in touch
    Bye
    have a nice day
  XXXXXXXXXX

Thanks Destiny!

IMO we owe alot of this current activitiy in the case to a few in ARUBA who haven't given up and refuse to coverup!

[dennisintn]

texasmom

I don't have time to look now, but I believe the originals ( PVDS Hx and Boxtel) were from Hasibokas (sp?).  We have copies of some of their early blogs...somewhere...

Paulus Not a Judge

A.M.: "PvdS was never a judge" (Thursday) A.M. Digital (@ Aruba.com) is reporting that Paul van der Sloot was never a judge in the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. Hasibokos.com has been following the Dutch, American and Aruban media and they all post conflicting stories with regard to the postition of Paul van der Sloot. A.M. reported today that they want to correct the false information that is constantly being published and aired, especially by the international (US) media, that Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot, is a judge in the Aruba judicial system. A.M. reported that in 2003, Paul van der Sloot became a deputy judge as part of his formation to become a judge. As such he followed training as his wish was to one day become a Judge in the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. He functioned as a deputy Judge, but always under supervision of an established Judge. Paul van der Sloot was a deputy judge until March 2004. In March 2004 Paul van der Sloot traveled to Holland for a year and when he returned to Aruba in March 2005 he did not receive the required recommendation to become a Judge. The results of his training in Holland were not sufficient to become a Judge, and he was notified by the President of the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba that he cannot function as a judge and has to look for another function. A.M. finshed their bulletin with the following statement: 'We think that for the sake of correctness and objective news distribution, the media, and especially US media such as CNN and Fox News must stop sensacionalizing the entire Holloway drama and quit giving false information to the international public'

this is probably the most complete and accurate sounding description of his situation that i have read.  anita was still saying he was a judge in training or just judge during interviews after natalee disappeared.  when paulus sued for restitution for being arrested, one of his bosses testified that in april or may of 2005, it had been decided to not renew his employment contract when it ran out lst of jan. 06.  he collected his full salary even after he was banned from his office that summer.
dennisintn

[texasmom]

THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny:



    HalloXXXXXXX

    The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz.
    That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again.
     
    I let you know as soon I have more information about it.
     
    We stay in touch
    Bye
    have a nice day
  XXXXXXXXXX

Thanks Destiny!

IMO we owe alot of this current activitiy in the case to a few in ARUBA who haven't given up and refuse to coverup!

Yes...thanks Destiny!!!  And again...I agree with Klaas 100%

[carpe noctem]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[carpe noctem]

oops!!!! forgive me.

[MumInOhio]

THIS JUST IN FROM ARUBA via email after I called...Destiny:



    HalloXXXXXXX

    The information I get is that the witness is a male. He has make his polygraph test with Jhn S. Swartz.
    That the information was already in hands of Fiscal Mr. Mos but he hasn't do anything about it. But now that we have it in the newspaper its a big news again.
     
    I let you know as soon I have more information about it.
     
    We stay in touch
    Bye
    have a nice day
  XXXXXXXXXX

Thanks Destiny...Then I take it this is not what you were referring to the other day?

[mom2eloise]

Hi to everyone, I've been reading here for years but have never posted.

Just wanted to comment re the "limp" noted in the statement by the witness.  If you read further you will see the words "limp" followed by "zapatoes" and "ked".    Urine was limping because he was only wearing one shoe.   Other one must have been lost in the mud.

Michele