Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[wreck]

Sitting on pins and needles waiting for the news - what time does the Diario publish?

Don't forget that Diario is published in Pap  -- we will need it translated! 

LOL-surely we know much of that language by now !   

Well, we HAVE learned the word "morto" because of all the dealy traffic accidents they have!

[always 1]

I thought CAPS could read Pap and Dutch.....

[Dayhiker]

Any news about Plan B?  Is Diario a morning newspaper?  Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives.  Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement?

I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US.

Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba.

[wreck]

Any news about Plan B?  Is Diario a morning newspaper?  Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives.  Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement?

I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US.

Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba.

That is exactly WHY we know that more than just Joran is involved. Some very big players (who do have clout) must be involved!

[BUCKSHOT]

Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time
(2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???)
(3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in
(4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish)
(5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish)
(6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish)


Questions:
Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish?

Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time?

Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit??

What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how?

Miscellaneous:
Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man.

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

[Dayhiker]

Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba.

That is exactly WHY we know that more than just Joran is involved. Some very big players (who do have clout) must be involved!

You betcha, Wreck. They would have to be big players to get hit that hard time and again, and you can bet they're protecting something illegal. Think about it, anybody on the up and up would have thrown the Van der Scum under the bus a long time ago.

[Miss Scarlet]

Any news about Plan B?  Is Diario a morning newspaper?  Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives.  Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement?

I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US.

Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba.

That is exactly WHY we know that more than just Joran is involved. Some very big players (who do have clout) must be involved!

Plus, they have long passed the point of no return.  They best become self sufficient in their own right, because the days of 'tourism' are OVER.  They only used that as a cover anyway.  Their main source of support is ill-gotten gains. 

[Dayhiker]

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

Hopefully someone over their heads has resurrected some of these witnesses as well as taken inventory on the missing evidence. I have said it many times, only Holland can bring this gang down, they are too corrupted and self invested.

[Dayhiker]

Any news about Plan B?  Is Diario a morning newspaper?  Paulass probably knows what's coming, but I'd still like to be the mouse in the woodwork when the newspaper arrives.  Can Paulass charge Diario with slander for printing the witness statement?

I certainly do hope that Urine is proud of what he and his loser friends have done to upset so many lives on Aruba and in the US.

Joran has cost them at least a half billion dollars in tourism receipts, very possibly twice that amount, over the 3 1/2 years. It's amazing they think he's worth it given that he fled the fleabag island and has dog-cussed them since. Had they solved the case they would be on firmer ground to survive the ass-whuppin' the fuel crisis has inflicted on Caribbean travel with no end in sight. Tough shit Aruba.

That is exactly WHY we know that more than just Joran is involved. Some very big players (who do have clout) must be involved!

Plus, they have long passed the point of no return.  They best become self sufficient in their own right, because the days of 'tourism' are OVER.  They only used that as a cover anyway.  Their main source of support is ill-gotten gains. 

Might I suggest sugar cane? The only thing you have to do is keep the local thugs out of the fields and without all those tourists to drug and rape they'll probably leave the island on their own accord.

[wreck]

I suggest "gravel". Export that big rock one stone at a time til it's gone.

[Dayhiker]

Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time
(2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???)
(3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in
(4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish)
(5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish)
(6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish)


Questions:
Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish?

Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time?

Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit??

What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how?

Miscellaneous:
Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man.

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I need to run out for a few hours this evening but I thought I'd leave you with this 

Bumped....because it's priceless....sweaty, but priceless. 

[Miss Scarlet]

I suggest "gravel". Export that big rock one stone at a time til it's gone.

Perfect!

[always 1]

Good nite you alll -----hugs.

[SS]

Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time
(2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???)
(3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in
(4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish)
(5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish)
(6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish)


Questions:
Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish?

Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time?

Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit??

What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how?

Miscellaneous:
Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man.

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

There was a group of party-goers at a location near the Monserat pond.  Julia Renfro was reported to be one of the party-goers. 

[Magnolia]

The online Dairio says Monday. Sept 15 at the top of the page.
I have not found Jossy's article yet.

[Ono]

Sitting on pins and needles waiting for the news - what time does the Diario publish?

Don't forget that Diario is published in Pap  -- we will need it translated! 

LOL-surely we know much of that language by now !   

Well, we HAVE learned the word "morto" because of all the dealy traffic accidents they have!

That's the truth !  LOL.  "Prevent morto....take a bus."     

[Ono]

Timeline starting to narrow a bit...
(1) NH was carved out at or near closing time
(2) NH was administered a drug (by JVDS, DK, SK, bartender???)
(3) Drove around for a bit waiting for effects to kick in
(4) Boys spotted near racquetball club in wait/panic mode (230-240ish)
(5) Muddy Joran near pond (4ish)
(6) Red jeep spotted near McD (4ish)


Questions:
Did NH expire between(a)closing time and 230-240ish,OR (b)between 230-240ish and 4ish?

Rock scene...Had they stopped by for a short period of time?

Any others about that evening, as the time line starts to fill in a bit??

What are the Kalpoe brothers' involvement, if not drug related? Threatened not to blow the whistle, paid for silence, or truly involved? If so, how?

Miscellaneous:
Patrick served as a money maker and was a scam, IMO. It was nice to have Horan exposed internationally for what he truly is as a young man.

Gardener witness may prove to be credible. Think about who disproved his story. Think of leverage held over his head...Deportation, labeled as lying drug addict.

With Joran's 2:30 home arrival shot to hell it opens the door to a disposal, tempory or permnent, that actively includes Paulus. We have this new witness who saw them out and about, but there's another as well. Remember Paulus' "two contacts with Natalee" mentioned in the court case where his compensation was denied? Apparently there is another witness and very possibly communications records to support his involvement.

What about that person we all thought was Paulus in the casino that fateful night-was that ever proven to be, or not to be, him ?  [ That's one contact & then ? ---Helping Joran  hide her body ? ]...

[Nut44x4]

BUMP

[Nut44x4]

No concrete proof that I am aware of, but there are so many of us that 'know' it is him...if you know what I mean.