Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[johan555]

caps > http://www.wereldgeheimen.nl/vrijmetselarij.htm

[johan555]

  an occult and mysterious organization

"Those who are admitted as a member of Loge need good and honest men, vrijgeborenen and mature and discreet age, no serfs, no women, no offensive or immoral men, but of good name".
an occult and mysterious organization that strives to be a secret to influence political events, on society, the civil authority.

[johan555]

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kanaal-13.nl%2Fmystery-zone%2Fde-verborgen-geschiedenis%2Fde-moord-op-gods-bankier.html&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en

[LoRain]

Ok, let's not get into this Mason's/Freemason's are good/are bad discussion again.

It has nothing to do with the Mason's in general and everything to do with Aruba and a corrupt few.

Right...that's why I said "normal" masons...

[CapsLockWizard]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=B9GAZxTLyNQ

I think that the ones that have their hands on Joran are in Thailand...they have a sect there.

[LoRain]

How do they have their hands on Joran there?..

[johan555]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=B9GAZxTLyNQ

I think that the ones that have their hands on Joran are in Thailand...they have a sect there.

 do you think they protect him there caps ?

[Magnolia]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=B9GAZxTLyNQ

I think that the ones that have their hands on Joran are in Thailand...they have a sect there.

Caps the symbol on the grave is a lamb.  Shango - Mary/Lamb

[johan555]

caps dit is over rituele moorden en vrijmetselarij

http://www.gebladerte.nl/20065g21.htm

[klaasend]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=B9GAZxTLyNQ

I think that the ones that have their hands on Joran are in Thailand...they have a sect there.

http://www.thaifreemason.com/thailodges.htm

[johan555]

shango god of thunder and lightning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shango

[SS]

The Masons are not a sect and they are not a cult.  They are a fraternal organization.  Part of the group are the Shriners who build hospitals for children.  The Masons are civic and community oriented.  Just like any organization, I am quite sure that there are bad apples in the group.  The Boy Scouts have some problem people, but that doesn't mean that the organization is bad.  Obviously there are some low-lifes in the Aruban Masons.  There are no women in the Masons.  The women belong to a group called the Eastern Star.  The Freemasons do not rape and abuse children as Johan's article states.

Johan - I read your article.  Those people might call themselves Freemasons, but that is not what the Freemasons are about.

[Hotshot]

Was it Wonder Woman or that Miz something that got so upset
when the Masonic Lodge was mentioned early on?

LOL, We wont go there.  I got kicked off because of bringing it up.  Hope things will stay on the up and up with Caps, and not let the same thing happen to him.  Lets let him do the work, and see where it gets us.  I understand there are Masons here, and the like.  We have to remember, not all are bad, not all are good.  The Masons can go very deep, it all depends on what the situation is.  Remeber too, we are talking Aruba.  

[SS]

Caps - is Natalee in her own crypt or is she sharing one with someone else? The Grand Master for Aruba in 2005 was Karel Wever.  Is this connected to Jalitza Wever who was buried on June 6th?  Is Natalee in a Wever crypt?  Is this why the Wever and Oduber headstones were damaged in the other cemetery?  Was it retaliation by someone who knew what had happened?

[SS]

I just thought of something.  If I recall, the Sloots are Roman Catholic.  Historically, Roman Catholics are not part of the Masons, although I understand that this is changing.  About 900 years ago, one of the Popes ordered the death of all Knights Templars in France.  For centuries, there was animosity between the two groups.  If Urine is Catholic, those protecting him might not be the Masons.

[CapsLockWizard]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=B9GAZxTLyNQ

I think that the ones that have their hands on Joran are in Thailand...they have a sect there.

 do you think they protect him there caps ?

yep...a brother in trouble...is a mason sorrow.

[johan555]

The Masons are not a sect and they are not a cult.  They are a fraternal organization.  Part of the group are the Shriners who build hospitals for children.  The Masons are civic and community oriented.  Just like any organization, I am quite sure that there are bad apples in the group.  The Boy Scouts have some problem people, but that doesn't mean that the organization is bad.  Obviously there are some low-lifes in the Aruban Masons.  There are no women in the Masons.  The women belong to a group called the Eastern Star.  The Freemasons do not rape and abuse children as Johan's article states.

Johan - I read your article.  Those people might call themselves Freemasons, but that is not what the Freemasons are about.

ss it is very simple there are good Freemasons and bad Freemasons
i think we are talking about the bad Freemasons
some Freemasons are related to the mafia etc .

[kkate]

Loge Erasmus, No. 297 -- (English speaking) Founded in 2006, Loge Erasmus is a Dutch lodge working continental Masonry in English.
www.thaifreemason.com/thailodges.htm

[johan555]

caps do you think Shango is a Freemasons ?

[CapsLockWizard]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=B9GAZxTLyNQ

I think that the ones that have their hands on Joran are in Thailand...they have a sect there.

Caps the symbol on the grave is a lamb.  Shango - Mary/Lamb

Correct. My avatar is there to confirm