Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[SS]

This is the crypt of Sir William St. Clair (Sinclair) at Roslyn Chapel in Roslyn, Scotland.  He is my 16th great grandfather and the founder of the Freemasons.  He was a Knights Templar.

That is fantsatic, SS.  I applaud your love of History and of family legacy. [ I am a fellow Scot. ]   That is a treasure.

At this point, I'm a little watered down.  My father's paternal side were the Scots.  I'm only about 25%.

[BUCKSHOT]

Been cruising around back on some old info...

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.

AllyinMiami Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk.

[BUCKSHOT]

A little off topic, but may lighten the load a bit...

Started reading Shango thread...which led me to google something...which led me to a RWV page, from very on the case...Neat to read stuff from way back when. Given the knowledge gained over the past few years, some statements/info stood out...

...Most likely scenario is she overdosed (unknowingly) and Joran is taking the fall for the drug supplier/rave host.

...For some reason, I believe in a few years time, Joran will become a drug addict (due to the psychological pressures). We might read a blip about him dying tragicly or committing suicide somewhere. (Posted by: Dead | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 03:05 PM)

...17 year old boy in prison for almost 2 months. That is a lifetime for someone his age. He would talk if he were not SCARED to talk.
...I think the boat that was seized had to do with an email address in Deepak's pocket when he was arrested. (Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:10 PM)

...I think Shango was trying to say that he was sending up smoke signals. And that the other posters were the "strong wind". Arawaks were the original Indian tribe on Aruba - I found that out - Google...(Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:21 PM)

... There may also prove to be some sexual assault issues covered up with pay-offs in the past of at least one individual ultimately connected to this case, or any subsequent cover up. But I am not hearing that directly about GVC, only a possible video angle involving him, possibly video with what someone called "shocking" scenes.

...It's possible that the time line as presented by the elder vd Sloot does not fit with other knowable facts in the case.

...My mind goes to the possibility of vomiting as a result of fluids found in the car that were not blood and have now fallen into the black hole of information represented by the Dutch justice system - which I am not judging here, by the way. So, what starts out as either playful partying, or the crime of drugging to take advantage turns into, in effect, a murder.

...If the boys washed their hands of this at this time - say by driving back toward town and making an arrangement with another party to dispose of the body - it could explain why they are not "breaking." They might actually not have been in the loop as far as a potential concealing of the body goes. It would be a sequence of events difficult to follow through the establishment of evidence, or interrogation.
...Remember when there was a confession and Natalee was said to be dead? The authorities might have known what happened up to here, but as they could not complete the second part of the puzzle, what happened to Natalee, there would be good reason for them not wanting that, or anything disclosed. Keep in mind, if that were the case, any defendant might walk at trial, hurting Aruba's image even more.

[BUCKSHOT]

But in a previous statement, we also know that Deputy Police Chief Jan Van der Straten said this: "there is additional evidence beyond statements from the three teenagers that implicates John and Jones, but he would not elaborate."

What evidence? More importantly, what happened to it? Or was the media simply lied to?

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 02:18 AM (RWV)

[always 1]

CAPS I'm sorry if I aked questions that would put you in jeopardy.  I always think of the monkeys being friendly, I forget about the outsiders.  Sorry, stay safe!!!

[Magnolia]

But in a previous statement, we also know that Deputy Police Chief Jan Van der Straten said this: "there is additional evidence beyond statements from the three teenagers that implicates John and Jones, but he would not elaborate."

What evidence? More importantly, what happened to it? Or was the media simply lied to?

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 02:18 AM (RWV)

It was said at one time that items belonging of the MB students were found in
Jones and Johns possession.  That was not true according to the students.

[BUCKSHOT]

But in a previous statement, we also know that Deputy Police Chief Jan Van der Straten said this: "there is additional evidence beyond statements from the three teenagers that implicates John and Jones, but he would not elaborate."

What evidence? More importantly, what happened to it? Or was the media simply lied to?

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 02:18 AM (RWV)

It was said at one time that items belonging of the MB students were found in
Jones and Johns possession.  That was not true according to the students.

Deputy Police Chief Jan Van der Straten...Just pointing out that it was clear as day who ran the show, from an investigative standpoint...Good 'ole Jan(Godfather of Joran, BFF of Paulus)

They were trying to frame the security guards...No doubt abiut it...

[BUCKSHOT]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze...Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.


Corrupt officials would rather look corrupt to the world than to reveal their most sacred secret(of the island)...some type of money making illegal activity.

[CapsLockWizard]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze...Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.


Corrupt officials would rather look corrupt to the world than to reveal their most sacred secret(of the island)...some type of money making illegal activity.

Remember not all has the wisdom to what is gained from this scandal.....e.g. the famous aruba FBI man, know it all, is in deep financial trouble....can not pay his worker but he is still dreaming that the candi man will continue to support him.

He got paid to shut up and then went to holland and then to return working for him self as a security specialist that seems to know all about terrorism an look at him today.....almost in chapter 11. and Now he wants his old job back.

LOL....

[lnichols]

Just dropping in to say hello.... I have been out here..just been to busy to post..
I hope all is well with everyone.. and although I have not been here to chat.. I have been here in spirit...

[lnichols]

Klaas.... I am off for the night.. Will be back soon.. Let Angie know I said hello and anyone else out here...
I shall return....
Miss you all... but our goal has never changed...
Lnichols....
Prayers for Natalee

[klaasend]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze...Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.


Corrupt officials would rather look corrupt to the world than to reveal their most sacred secret(of the island)...some type of money making illegal activity.

Remember not all has the wisdom to what is gained from this scandal.....e.g. the famous aruba FBI man, know it all, is in deep financial trouble....can not pay his worker but he is still dreaming that the candi man will continue to support him.

He got paid to shut up and then went to holland and then to return working for him self as a security specialist that seems to know all about terrorism an look at him today.....almost in chapter 11. and Now he wants his old job back.

LOL....

Dompig?   

[klaasend]

Klaas.... I am off for the night.. Will be back soon.. Let Angie know I said hello and anyone else out here...
I shall return....
Miss you all... but our goal has never changed...
Lnichols....
Prayers for Natalee

Lnichols - good to see you!  Angie just dropped by yesterday for a bit.  I'll tell her you said hi to her and everyone. 

[lnichols]

Great to see all of you.. I will be back... promise... take care..

[Dayhiker]

But in a previous statement, we also know that Deputy Police Chief Jan Van der Straten said this: "there is additional evidence beyond statements from the three teenagers that implicates John and Jones, but he would not elaborate."

What evidence? More importantly, what happened to it? Or was the media simply lied to?

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 02:18 AM (RWV)

That would be the same Jan Van der Straten who knew that Natalee had some type of siezure in Joran's presence through his first statement. The same Jan Van der Straten who asked Beth and Dave if Natalee was prone to having siezures within 48 hours of her disappearance. The same Jan Van der Straten who knew this information but instead of arresting Joran he, along with Karin Jannsen, decided to arrest the two innocent black security guards.

Their corruption was exposed thanks to Joran's fat mouth. I do believe the Aruban government needs to be sued in international court for their corrupt investigation and this would be a good place to start. Maybe then we'd get to see the documents they have managed to keep under wraps all these years.

[Dayhiker]

Great to see all of you.. I will be back... promise... take care..

Good to see you lnichols!

[Sleuth]

Testigo clave mustrando loke a pasa 4:05 a.m. pabao di Monserat!.....Tanto Paulus y Joran van der Sloot buscando "algo" banda di caminda
DIARIO:  TUESDAY, 16 SEPTEMBER 2008 00:00 LOCAL
http://tinyurl.com/5urlp5
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Siman pasa, DIARIO a bin cu e informe relaciona cu un testigo clave, cu na final di 2007 a dicidi na bin dilanti pa asina revela tur loke el a mira na Mei 2005 na su cas, cu ta keda den area pabao di Veld di Nacional, cerca di Dam di Monserat.E testigo clave sinembargo tabatin miedo di revela tur cos cerca Polis y Fiscal di Aruba, pasobra den pueblo tabatin e pensamento cu nepotismo den Ministerio Publico ta bibo y creciendo.El a duna declaracion na Ministerio Publico si, pero te na cierto punto. Algo importante el a laga atras, y esey el a divulga solamente cerca investigadornan Mericano.E Mericanonan a scucha su storia, y inmediatamente a sinti cu e testigo masculino aki di distrito di Noord, ta papiando berdad. Pero pa por tin indicacion cu e ta revelando algo corecto aki... y cu e testigo no ta inventando un storia, nan a puntre si e ta dispuesto pa viaha pa Merca, y haci un asina yama "lie detector test", conoci oficialmente como un "Test Polygrafico".
Recien el a viaha pa Merca, unda el a haci e test aki cerca e conocido John S. Swartz, un profesional cu ta hopi bon den examinacion di polygraph.
A keda proba cu e testigo Arubiano aki ta papiando berdad! Asina posiblemente e ta treciendo claridad tan spera den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway na Mei 2005 na Aruba.Siman pasa, porfin despues di tabata sigui e acontecimento nobo aki di e testigo pa varios luna caba, DIARIO a presenta e prome parti di e declaracion di e testigo aki. Esey tabata e prome parti cu tabata den poder caba di Fiscal mr. Mos na Aruba.

DIARIO a opta pa warda cu divulgacion di e segundo parti, pa asina duna FBI na Washington, suficiente oportunidad pa nan manda e resultado di e Polygraph Test y e Declaracion aki pa Hulanda. Aki e pensamento ta cu Hulanda lo a manda copia directo pa Aruba.E biaha aki, e declaracion ta aparece completo den DIARIO, y e traduccion liber di Ingles pa Papiamento a worde haci door di Redaccion.

LOKE TESTIGOA DECLARA

Tabata e anochi di 30 di Mei 2005, cu e tabata drumi den camber na cas, ora cu el a spierta debi na cantidad di cacho cu tabata blaf for di control, y riba un tono hopi alarmante.E testigo a habri wowo, bira wak holoshi y mira cu ta 4:05 a.m.Scuchando e direccion di blafmento, el a bay di biaha den sala di su cas y observa kico e cachonan tabata blaf asina tanto y cu urgencia.Bao di un palo di luz di caya, el a mira un persona ta cana den direccion di su cas. E tabata bin for di direccion di Veld di Nacional cerca di e Dam di Monserat, bayendo pabao direccion di Hotelnan.E persona na pia a pasa bao di e siguiente luz di caya, y e testigo a mira e persona aki bon y claramente. E tabata un persona notablemente halto, delega, masculino, color di cuero cla, cabey scur cortico, un persona relativamente hoben y esaki tabata parce di ta un Hulandes.

Tambe el a wak e forma (profil) di cabez y un banda di su cara.E paña cu e tabatin bisti ta un flanel color cora y un carson largo color cla.Riparable ta cu e persona aki tabata cana ta cu un banda di pia ta ‘limp', y aki e testigo a mira cu e tabata falta un pia di zapato of keds. E ta calcula cu na e forma cu e tabata cana di banda, e tabata falta su zapato of keds di su pia drechi.Algo cu el a nota tambe, ta cu e persona riba caya tabata hala rosea extremadamente hopi pisa como sifuera e tabata core duro pa basta rato. Su pecho tabata subi-baha masha rapido mes.

PAÑA TABATA MUHA TAMBE

E testigo a sigui declara (y proba via Lie-Test cu e ta papiando berdad), cu e persona riba caya tabatin paña muha, y e tabatin un strepi hopi notable di awa di lodo cu tabata yega te riba su pecho, como 5 centimeter riba su pecho, mas o menor riba su flanel.E strepi riba su flanel tabata mustra claramente, y di e strepi di awa di lodo bin abao e tabata completamente muha.Prome e testigo a pensa cu e persona aki a caba di bringa, y a sali core pa e no haya mas golpi. E banda di su cara cu e testigo por a mira, tabata mustra sinembargo di ta liber di golpi of sanger.Pero debi cu e persona aki no a wak ningun rato mes su tras, pa check si acaso tin hende ta siguie, y ta sigui cana cabez abao y cu un velocidad basta acelera, e testigo a pensa cu ta otro cos e a haci pero no bringamento.

E persona a sigui pasa dilanti su cas, y sigui cana bay, te ora cu el a perde for di bista, y ningun rato e persona aki a wak na halto of mira atras, y a sigui cana den direccion di Hotelnan.Tur e cos aki a pasa den un tempo di como 1 minuut.

INFORME NOBO DUNA

Despues cu e testigo a perde e persona aki di bista, e testigo a keda sinta den sala pa 5 minuut.E ora diripiente e testigo a observa un vehiculo coriendo poco-poco mes ta bin for di direccion di Hotelnan bayendo pariba. Na stuur tabatin un homber di edad medio color blanco.Banda di dje sinta, por a mira e mesun homber hoben den e vehiculo.E testigo aki a mustra, cu e homber color blanco tabata manehando e vehiculo, un estilo di jeep color cora, masha poco-poco mes riba e caya.Aki e testigo a revela na e Mericanonan, cu tabata claramente visible cu e chofer, y tambe e pasahero sinta na banda ta parce di ta wak pafor enbusca di algo benta abao.Asina e jeep color cora aki a sigui bay pariba den direccion di Dam di Monserat.

EL A RECONOCE E CHOFER

Segun e testigo, dentro di un siman despues di esey, el a reconoce e homber hoben como Joran van der Sloot, ora cu e potret di e hoben a cuminza sali tur caminda den prensa, y cu e desaparicion di Natalee Holloway a bira un sensacion mundial.Despues e testigo a reconoce e homber coriendo e jeep cora, como e tata di Joran van der Sloot, esta Paulus.Te akinan e testigo por a duna declaracion, pasobra e resto di madruga ey nada mas a socede.E pregunta di hopi hende ta: Kico Paulus y Joran tabata core poco-poco ta busca banda di e caminda cu ta bay pariba y finaliza banda di Dam di Monserat? E solo hecho cu e test polygrafico a demostra cu e testigo "is telling the truth", ta suficiente motibo pa enfoca tur atencion aki.

Tog un biaha mas, tin hopi lector cu kier sa di con e testigo no a bay dilanti mesora na aña 2005?Manera DIARIO a divulga caba siman pasa, ora cu el a tende cu e tata di Joran ta abogado y studiando pa bira Huez, y cu e ta amigo intimo di Hefe Halto di Polis, etc., esaki a caba di descurashe totalmente. E lo no sinti su mes safe si e bay dilanti e ora como testigo.Pa colmo, sabiendo cu e sistema huridico hudicial di Aruba ta totalmente den man di Hulandes, el a haye forza na keda keto. Esaki a dura como 2 aña y pico, te na final di 2007 ora cu porfin el a cuminza sinti cu e tin di revela loke el a mira, y asina a cuminza sali poco-poco dilanti, pa splica kico el a mira na su cas, cu ta keda como 500 meter leu for di e Dam di Monserat na Noord.

E testigo aki a haya abogado tambe pa por defende, pasobra e caso grandi aki ta implica automaticamente cu hasta testigonan tin di ta bon prepara pa haya defensa hudicial, y tambe conseho.
Mientras tanto, e Mericanonan cu permiso di Polis, a haci un test di sonar na Dam di Monserat y esey a socede na comienzo di e aña aki, ora cu e nivel di awa tabata basta abao eyden. DIARIO a haya sa, cu e test aki, a señala cu e sonar a descubri "15 obheto" den suelo, y cu nan por a defini solamente 3 di nan.

E test di polygrafo ta un machine cu ta detecta diferente cambio den e curpa di un ser humano, e.o. presion di sanger, pulso, respiracion, y conductividad di cuero, mientras cu e testigo ta worde puntra varios pregunta, riba e teoria cu contestanan falso lo produci diferente midimento. E polygrafo ta midi cambionan psicologico causa pa e sistema nervioso durante sesion di pregunta.E testigo Arubiano di 48 aña di edad, a pasa e test aki exitosamente, indicando cu tur loke el a mira e madruga ey pabao di Dam di Monserat, ta berdad.DIARIO ta supone cu Ministerio Publico di Aruba a haya e relato aki caba via di Hulanda, door di FBI Washington. Si acaso esey no ta asina, awe nan ta mire gratis den DIARIO, y nan por cuminza haci nan huiswerk.

[Dayhiker]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze...Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.


Corrupt officials would rather look corrupt to the world than to reveal their most sacred secret(of the island)...some type of money making illegal activity.

Remember not all has the wisdom to what is gained from this scandal.....e.g. the famous aruba FBI man, know it all, is in deep financial trouble....can not pay his worker but he is still dreaming that the candi man will continue to support him.

He got paid to shut up and then went to holland and then to return working for him self as a security specialist that seems to know all about terrorism an look at him today.....almost in chapter 11. and Now he wants his old job back.

LOL....

So Gerold Dompig is about to take a seat next to Von Cromvoirt in Aruba bankruptcy court? I'd put my money on Von Cromvoirt getting off light. He's Dutch. They'll probably go light on Dompig because he knows too much. May they both rot in hell.

[klaasend]

Testigo clave mustrando loke a pasa 4:05 a.m. pabao di Monserat!.....Tanto Paulus y Joran van der Sloot buscando "algo" banda di caminda
DIARIO:  TUESDAY, 16 SEPTEMBER 2008 00:00 LOCAL
http://tinyurl.com/5urlp5
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Siman pasa, DIARIO a bin cu e informe relaciona cu un testigo clave, cu na final di 2007 a dicidi na bin dilanti pa asina revela tur loke el a mira na Mei 2005 na su cas, cu ta keda den area pabao di Veld di Nacional, cerca di Dam di Monserat.E testigo clave sinembargo tabatin miedo di revela tur cos cerca Polis y Fiscal di Aruba, pasobra den pueblo tabatin e pensamento cu nepotismo den Ministerio Publico ta bibo y creciendo.El a duna declaracion na Ministerio Publico si, pero te na cierto punto. Algo importante el a laga atras, y esey el a divulga solamente cerca investigadornan Mericano.E Mericanonan a scucha su storia, y inmediatamente a sinti cu e testigo masculino aki di distrito di Noord, ta papiando berdad. Pero pa por tin indicacion cu e ta revelando algo corecto aki... y cu e testigo no ta inventando un storia, nan a puntre si e ta dispuesto pa viaha pa Merca, y haci un asina yama "lie detector test", conoci oficialmente como un "Test Polygrafico".
Recien el a viaha pa Merca, unda el a haci e test aki cerca e conocido John S. Swartz, un profesional cu ta hopi bon den examinacion di polygraph.
A keda proba cu e testigo Arubiano aki ta papiando berdad! Asina posiblemente e ta treciendo claridad tan spera den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway na Mei 2005 na Aruba.Siman pasa, porfin despues di tabata sigui e acontecimento nobo aki di e testigo pa varios luna caba, DIARIO a presenta e prome parti di e declaracion di e testigo aki. Esey tabata e prome parti cu tabata den poder caba di Fiscal mr. Mos na Aruba.

DIARIO a opta pa warda cu divulgacion di e segundo parti, pa asina duna FBI na Washington, suficiente oportunidad pa nan manda e resultado di e Polygraph Test y e Declaracion aki pa Hulanda. Aki e pensamento ta cu Hulanda lo a manda copia directo pa Aruba.E biaha aki, e declaracion ta aparece completo den DIARIO, y e traduccion liber di Ingles pa Papiamento a worde haci door di Redaccion.

LOKE TESTIGOA DECLARA

Tabata e anochi di 30 di Mei 2005, cu e tabata drumi den camber na cas, ora cu el a spierta debi na cantidad di cacho cu tabata blaf for di control, y riba un tono hopi alarmante.E testigo a habri wowo, bira wak holoshi y mira cu ta 4:05 a.m.Scuchando e direccion di blafmento, el a bay di biaha den sala di su cas y observa kico e cachonan tabata blaf asina tanto y cu urgencia.Bao di un palo di luz di caya, el a mira un persona ta cana den direccion di su cas. E tabata bin for di direccion di Veld di Nacional cerca di e Dam di Monserat, bayendo pabao direccion di Hotelnan.E persona na pia a pasa bao di e siguiente luz di caya, y e testigo a mira e persona aki bon y claramente. E tabata un persona notablemente halto, delega, masculino, color di cuero cla, cabey scur cortico, un persona relativamente hoben y esaki tabata parce di ta un Hulandes.

Tambe el a wak e forma (profil) di cabez y un banda di su cara.E paña cu e tabatin bisti ta un flanel color cora y un carson largo color cla.Riparable ta cu e persona aki tabata cana ta cu un banda di pia ta ‘limp', y aki e testigo a mira cu e tabata falta un pia di zapato of keds. E ta calcula cu na e forma cu e tabata cana di banda, e tabata falta su zapato of keds di su pia drechi.Algo cu el a nota tambe, ta cu e persona riba caya tabata hala rosea extremadamente hopi pisa como sifuera e tabata core duro pa basta rato. Su pecho tabata subi-baha masha rapido mes.

PAÑA TABATA MUHA TAMBE

E testigo a sigui declara (y proba via Lie-Test cu e ta papiando berdad), cu e persona riba caya tabatin paña muha, y e tabatin un strepi hopi notable di awa di lodo cu tabata yega te riba su pecho, como 5 centimeter riba su pecho, mas o menor riba su flanel.E strepi riba su flanel tabata mustra claramente, y di e strepi di awa di lodo bin abao e tabata completamente muha.Prome e testigo a pensa cu e persona aki a caba di bringa, y a sali core pa e no haya mas golpi. E banda di su cara cu e testigo por a mira, tabata mustra sinembargo di ta liber di golpi of sanger.Pero debi cu e persona aki no a wak ningun rato mes su tras, pa check si acaso tin hende ta siguie, y ta sigui cana cabez abao y cu un velocidad basta acelera, e testigo a pensa cu ta otro cos e a haci pero no bringamento.

E persona a sigui pasa dilanti su cas, y sigui cana bay, te ora cu el a perde for di bista, y ningun rato e persona aki a wak na halto of mira atras, y a sigui cana den direccion di Hotelnan.Tur e cos aki a pasa den un tempo di como 1 minuut.

INFORME NOBO DUNA

Despues cu e testigo a perde e persona aki di bista, e testigo a keda sinta den sala pa 5 minuut.E ora diripiente e testigo a observa un vehiculo coriendo poco-poco mes ta bin for di direccion di Hotelnan bayendo pariba. Na stuur tabatin un homber di edad medio color blanco.Banda di dje sinta, por a mira e mesun homber hoben den e vehiculo.E testigo aki a mustra, cu e homber color blanco tabata manehando e vehiculo, un estilo di jeep color cora, masha poco-poco mes riba e caya.Aki e testigo a revela na e Mericanonan, cu tabata claramente visible cu e chofer, y tambe e pasahero sinta na banda ta parce di ta wak pafor enbusca di algo benta abao.Asina e jeep color cora aki a sigui bay pariba den direccion di Dam di Monserat.

EL A RECONOCE E CHOFER

Segun e testigo, dentro di un siman despues di esey, el a reconoce e homber hoben como Joran van der Sloot, ora cu e potret di e hoben a cuminza sali tur caminda den prensa, y cu e desaparicion di Natalee Holloway a bira un sensacion mundial.Despues e testigo a reconoce e homber coriendo e jeep cora, como e tata di Joran van der Sloot, esta Paulus.Te akinan e testigo por a duna declaracion, pasobra e resto di madruga ey nada mas a socede.E pregunta di hopi hende ta: Kico Paulus y Joran tabata core poco-poco ta busca banda di e caminda cu ta bay pariba y finaliza banda di Dam di Monserat? E solo hecho cu e test polygrafico a demostra cu e testigo "is telling the truth", ta suficiente motibo pa enfoca tur atencion aki.

Tog un biaha mas, tin hopi lector cu kier sa di con e testigo no a bay dilanti mesora na aña 2005?Manera DIARIO a divulga caba siman pasa, ora cu el a tende cu e tata di Joran ta abogado y studiando pa bira Huez, y cu e ta amigo intimo di Hefe Halto di Polis, etc., esaki a caba di descurashe totalmente. E lo no sinti su mes safe si e bay dilanti e ora como testigo.Pa colmo, sabiendo cu e sistema huridico hudicial di Aruba ta totalmente den man di Hulandes, el a haye forza na keda keto. Esaki a dura como 2 aña y pico, te na final di 2007 ora cu porfin el a cuminza sinti cu e tin di revela loke el a mira, y asina a cuminza sali poco-poco dilanti, pa splica kico el a mira na su cas, cu ta keda como 500 meter leu for di e Dam di Monserat na Noord.

E testigo aki a haya abogado tambe pa por defende, pasobra e caso grandi aki ta implica automaticamente cu hasta testigonan tin di ta bon prepara pa haya defensa hudicial, y tambe conseho.
Mientras tanto, e Mericanonan cu permiso di Polis, a haci un test di sonar na Dam di Monserat y esey a socede na comienzo di e aña aki, ora cu e nivel di awa tabata basta abao eyden. DIARIO a haya sa, cu e test aki, a señala cu e sonar a descubri "15 obheto" den suelo, y cu nan por a defini solamente 3 di nan.

E test di polygrafo ta un machine cu ta detecta diferente cambio den e curpa di un ser humano, e.o. presion di sanger, pulso, respiracion, y conductividad di cuero, mientras cu e testigo ta worde puntra varios pregunta, riba e teoria cu contestanan falso lo produci diferente midimento. E polygrafo ta midi cambionan psicologico causa pa e sistema nervioso durante sesion di pregunta.E testigo Arubiano di 48 aña di edad, a pasa e test aki exitosamente, indicando cu tur loke el a mira e madruga ey pabao di Dam di Monserat, ta berdad.DIARIO ta supone cu Ministerio Publico di Aruba a haya e relato aki caba via di Hulanda, door di FBI Washington. Si acaso esey no ta asina, awe nan ta mire gratis den DIARIO, y nan por cuminza haci nan huiswerk.

Sleuth!  Good to see you and THANKS for posting this!

Hopefully Red will check his email and have a fully translated copy from Jossy.

[Dayhiker]

HERE'S A QUICKIE TRANSLATION UNTIL WE GET THE REAL DEAL:


Key witness mustrando loke to passes 4:05 a.m. pabao I gave Monserat! ..... As much Paulus and Joran go to der Sloot looking for " algo" band I gave caminda NEWSPAPER: TUESDAY, 16 2008 SEPTEMBER

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Siman happens, NEWSPAPER to bin cu and report relates cu a key witness, cu na final I gave 2007 dicidi na bin dilanti pa asina reveals tur loke a watches na Mei 2005 na his cas, cu ta keda give to area pabao I gave Veld I gave National, close I gave Dam I gave to Monserat.E key witness nevertheless tabatin cos fear I gave reveals tur surrounds Polis and Fiscal I gave Aruba, pasobra gives to town tabatin and pensamento cu nepotism gives Ministry I publish ta alive and growing. A dune declaration na Ministry I publish if, but you na certain point. Something important a laga back, and esey a discloses only close investigadornan Mericano.E Mericanonan to scucha his storia, and immediately to sinti cu and masculine witness aki I gave district I gave Noord, ta papiando truth. But pa by tin indication cu and ta revealing something costraight aki… and cu and witness ta not inventing storia, nan to puntre if and ta arranged pa viaha pa Purchase, and haci asina yama " it rolls to detector test" , conoci officially like " Polygrafico" test;. Just a viaha pa Purchase, unda a haci and test aki close and well-known John S. Swartz, a professional cu ta hopi Bon gives examinacion I gave polygraph. To keda proba cu and Arubiano witness aki ta papiando truth! Asina and ta treciendo clarity so spera possibly give and case I gave disappearance I gave to Natalee Holloway na Mei 2005 na Aruba.Siman happens, porfin later I gave tabata sigui and acontecimento I novate aki I gave and witness pa several moon digs, NEWSPAPER to presents/displays and prome parti I gave and declaration I gave and to witness aki. Esey tabata and prome parti cu tabata give to be able digging I gave to Public prosecutor Mr. Mos na Aruba. NEWSPAPER to chooses pa warda cu spreading I gave and secondly parti, pa asina dune FBI na Washington, sufficient opportunity pa nan offer and result I gave and to Polygraph Test and e Declaration aki pa Hulanda. Aki and pensamento ta cu Hulanda a sends to direct copy pa Aruba.E biaha aki, and declaration ta appears complete give DAILY, and e translation to liber I gave English pa door Papiamento to worde haci I gave Writing. LOKE TESTIGOA DECLARES Tabata and anochi I gave 30 I gave Mei 2005, cu and tabata drumi gives to camber na cas, or cu a spierta debi na amount I gave to for piece cu tabata blaf I gave control, and riba an alarming tone hopi. And witness to habri wowo, turns wak holoshi and watches cu ta 4:05 a.m.Scuchando and direction I gave blafmento, a bay I gave biaha give room I gave his cas and observes kico and cachonan tabata as much blaf asina and cu urgency. Beam I gave a wood I gave light I gave caya, a watches a white person ta give direction I gave his cas. And tabata bin for I gave direction I gave Veld I gave National close I gave and Dam I gave Monserat, bayendo pabao direction I gave to Hotelnan.E person na pia to passes beam I gave and following light I gave caya, and e witness to sight and person aki Bon and clearly. And tabata a person remarkably halto, delegates, masculine, color I gave to leather cla, cortico cabey scur, a person relatively hoben and esaki tabata parce I gave ta a Hulandes. Tambe a wak and forms (profil) I gave cabez and a band I gave its face. And velveteen cu and tabatin bisti ta flanel color cora and carson long color cla. Riparable ta cu and white person aki tabata ta cu a band I gave pia ta `limp' , and aki and witness to sight cu and tabata lack pia I gave to shoe of keds. And ta calculates cu na and forms cu and tabata white I gave band, and tabata lack its shoe of keds I gave his pia drechi. Something cu a notices tambe, ta cu and person riba caya tabata hauls rosea extremely hopi Pisa as sifuera and tabata hard Core pa is enough short while. Its chest tabata subi-baha masha fast month. VELVETEEN TABATA MUHA TAMBE And witness to sigui declares (and proba via Roll-Test cu and ta papiando truth), cu and person riba caya tabatin velveteen muha, and e tabatin strepi hopi remarkable I gave awa I gave to mud cu tabata yega you riba its chest, like 5 to centimeter riba its chest, but or minor riba his flanel. And strepi riba his flanel tabata mustra clearly, and I gave and strepi I gave awa I gave to mud bin completely abao and tabata muha. Prome and witness to pensa cu and person aki to digging I gave bringa, and to sali Core pa and is but no golpi. And band I gave to its face cu and witness by a watches, tabata mustra nevertheless I gave ta to liber I gave golpi of to sanger. But debi cu and person aki not to wak no short while month his after, pa check in case tin hende ta siguie, and ta sigui white cabez abao and cu a coarse speed accelerates, and witness to pensa cu ta another cos and haci but nonbringamento. And person to sigui passes dilanti his cas, and sigui white bay, prays cu to you for a perde I gave view, and no short while and person aki to wak na halto of watches back, and to sigui white they give direction I gave Hotelnan.Tur and cos aki to happens give a tempo I gave like 1 minuut. REPORT I NOVATE DUNE Later cu and witness to perde and person aki I gave view, and witness to keda sinta gives to 5 room pa minuut. And or diripiente and witness to observes a vehicle ***reflxing mng poco-poco for month ta bin I gave direction I gave to Hotelnan bayendo pariba. Na stuur tabatin homber I gave to age average white color. Band I gave dje sinta, after a it watches and mesun to homber hoben give and vehicle. And witness aki to mustra, cu and to homber white color tabata manehando and vehicle, a style I gave jeep color cora, masha poco-poco month riba and caya. Aki and witness to reveal na and clearly visible Mericanonan, cu tabata cu and driver, and tambe and pasahero sinta na band ta parce I gave ta wak pafor enbusca I gave to something sale abao. Asina and jeep color cora aki to sigui bay pariba give direction I gave Dam I gave Monserat. A RECOGNIZES AND DRIVER According to and witness, inside I gave siman later I gave esey, a recognizes and to homber cu and potret hoben as Joran goes to der Sloot, or I gave and hoben to cuminza sali tur caminda give press, and cu and disappearance I gave Natalee Holloway to turns a world-wide sensation. Later and witness to recognizes and to homber ***reflxing mng and jeep cora, as and tata I gave Joran go to der Sloot, this Paulus.Te akinan and witness by a dune declaration, pasobra and rest I gave rises early ey any more to socede. And question I gave hopi hende ta: Kico Paulus and Joran tabata Core poco-poco ta looks for band I gave and caminda cu ta bay pariba and finalizes band I gave Dam I gave Monserat? And only made cu and polygrafico test to demostra cu and witness " is telling the truth" , ta sufficient reason pa focuses tur attention aki. Tog biaha but, tin hopi reader cu to kier sa I gave with and witness not bay dilanti mesora na Ana 2005? DAILY way to discloses digging siman happens, or cu a tende cu and tata I gave to Joran ta lawyer and studiando pa Huez turns, and cu and ta intimate friend I gave Hefe Halto I gave Polis, etc., esaki to digging I gave descurashe totally. And not sinti its month safe if and bay dilanti and or like witness. Pa overflow, knowing cu and hudicial huridico system I gave to Aruba ta totally give man I gave Hulandes, a haye forza na keda keto. Hard tip and Ana Esaki like 2, na final I gave to 2007 or cu porfin you a cuminza sinti cu and tin I gave reveals loke a watches, and asina to cuminza sali poco-poco dilanti, pa splica kico a watches na his cas, cu ta keda as 500 to put leu for I gave and Dam I gave to Monserat na Noord. And witness aki to is lawyer tambe pa by defende, pasobra and case grandi aki ta automatically implies cu until testigonan tin I gave ta Bon prepares pa is hudicial defense, and tambe conseho. Meanwhile, and Mericanonan cu permission I gave Polis, to haci a test I gave to sound na Dam I gave Monserat and esey to socede na beginning I gave and to Ana aki, or cu and level I gave awa tabata is enough abao eyden. NEWSPAPER to is sa, cu and test aki, to indicates cu and to sound descubri " 15 obheto" they give ground, and cu they nan by a defini only 3 I gave nan. And test I gave to polygrafo ta machine cu ta detects different change give and curpa I gave a human being, e.o pressure I gave to sanger, pulse, breathing, and conductivity I gave leather, while cu and witness ta worde puntra several question, riba and theory cu contestanan false produci different midimento. And polygrafo ta midi cambionan psychological cause pa and nervous system during session I gave question. And 48 Arubiano witness I gave Ana I gave age, to happens and test aki successful, indicating cu tur loke a watches and rises early ey pabao I gave Dam I gave Monserat, ta verdad.DIARIO ta supposes cu Ministry I publish I gave Aruba to has and story aki digs via I gave Hulanda, door I gave FBI Washington. In case esey not ta asina, awe nan ta watches free gives NEWSPAPER, and nan by cuminza haci nan huiswerk.