Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[BUCKSHOT]

Not sure if read here or elsewhere, but...

I know there was rumor of a withdrawl from the bank?
If so, what time of the morning? 115am-ish or 3-4am-ish?

Is a possible conclusion reached that Paulus was not at home at all, but instead out and about himself prior to receiving a call for help from Joran?

Just wondering...

Does anyone know?

Corrected...I know there was rumor of a withdrawl. I am wondering about time frame...

[Destiny]

Not sure if read here or elsewhere, but...

Was there rumor of a withdrawl from the bank?
If so, what time of the morning? 115am-ish or 3-4am-ish?

Is a possible conclusion reached that Paulus was not at home at all, but instead out and about himself prior to receiving a call for help from Joran?

Just wondering...

Does anyone know?

Morning Buck...according to the email I posted above the witness under polygraph...that he passed....places Joran and Paulus in the red jeep near the Monsarat Pond....Des...

[BUCKSHOT]

Not sure if read here or elsewhere, but...

Was there rumor of a withdrawl from the bank?
If so, what time of the morning? 115am-ish or 3-4am-ish?

Is a possible conclusion reached that Paulus was not at home at all, but instead out and about himself prior to receiving a call for help from Joran?

Just wondering...

Does anyone know?

Morning Buck...according to the email I posted above the witness under polygraph...that he passed....places Joran and Paulus in the red jeep near the Monsarat Pond....Des...

What time was the rumored withdrawl?
Was Paulus home when he recived Joran's call fro help? OR
Was Paulus already out and about when he received Joran's call for help?

[truthseeker2]

I know there have been before and after pics of the pond in Monserat, but I cannot locate them now.  Can anyone provide a link?  Also, is there a map that shows the pond and the psossible location of the witness?  TIA

[johan555]

I know there have been before and after pics of the pond in Monserat, but I cannot locate them now.  Can anyone provide a link?  Also, is there a map that shows the pond and the psossible location of the witness?  TIA

here truth seeker

[truthseeker2]

That looks like something else. I was thinking about the pictures of the pond that someone had posted here before.  They had some of the pond before and after it was drained.

In you post above I cannot see the pond or a possible location of the witness that may have seen Joran and Paulus that morning.  Can you identify those spots?

[truthseeker2]

Actually, I do see the pond...but not where the witness may have been.

[2NJSons_Mom]

And don't forget the transaction at the bank in Noord at 1.15am. Joran was at the time leaving C&C. Was it Paulus ? My answer is yes.
Was Paulus in the casino the nightly hours Natalee vanished ? Yes, he was.
 

WELCOME, Jonathan45!!!

Buckshot and others are also questioning the bank transaction, and the time it took place.  IIRC, we've also seen a later time, closer to the 3-4am timeframe.  Not sure we have the proof.....what makes you say 1:15am?  Maybe my memory is failing me.

[Lala'sMom]

[Lala'sMom]

[klaasend]

And don't forget the transaction at the bank in Noord at 1.15am. Joran was at the time leaving C&C. Was it Paulus ? My answer is yes.
Was Paulus in the casino the nightly hours Natalee vanished ? Yes, he was.
 

Welcome J45 - I agree with you that PVDS was in the casino

[klaasend]

FYI

RED asked Jossy late last night for a full English translation of his part 2 article.  Hopefully Red will get it some time today.  Maybe even Angelala will get it before Red can check his email.  In any case, a full translation of the article will be forthcoming.

[BUCKSHOT]

And don't forget the transaction at the bank in Noord at 1.15am. Joran was at the time leaving C&C. Was it Paulus ? My answer is yes.
Was Paulus in the casino the nightly hours Natalee vanished ? Yes, he was.
 

WELCOME, Jonathan45!!!

Buckshot and others are also questioning the bank transaction, and the time it took place.  IIRC, we've also seen a later time, closer to the 3-4am timeframe.  Not sure we have the proof.....what makes you say 1:15am?  Maybe my memory is failing me.

Thought I read it some where. I am not sure on the time.

My only thoughts were:
(a) if 3-4am-ish...Paulus home OR already out and about when call received from Joran
(b) if 115am-ish...Paulus already out and about when call received from Joran.

Paulus, most believe, was already out and about and probably at the casino.
Why would Joran have to "sneak out" if that were the case?
Why would Paulus pick Joran up at 11pm at McD?

[Lala'sMom]

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:14 pm
The Kalpoes will remain detained, because they agreed to go along with the Holiday Inn story.

[truthseeker2]

thanks Johan and Lala's!!!!!!!!

[Rob]

And don't forget the transaction at the bank in Noord at 1.15am. Joran was at the time leaving C&C. Was it Paulus ? My answer is yes.
Was Paulus in the casino the nightly hours Natalee vanished ? Yes, he was.
 

WELCOME, Jonathan45!!!

Buckshot and others are also questioning the bank transaction, and the time it took place.  IIRC, we've also seen a later time, closer to the 3-4am timeframe.  Not sure we have the proof.....what makes you say 1:15am?  Maybe my memory is failing me.

Thought I read it some where. I am not sure on the time.

My only thoughts were:
(a) if 3-4am-ish...Paulus home OR already out and about when call received from Joran
(b) if 115am-ish...Paulus already out and about when call received from Joran.

Paulus, most believe, was already out and about and probably at the casino.
Why would Joran have to "sneak out" if that were the case?
Why would Paulus pick Joran up at 11pm at McD?

I believe it is likely that Paulus had the red Suzuki parked in a lot near the Holiday Inn and or on the street and was called by Joran and he asked Paulus to meet him at the McDonald's.

There is a huge lot across the street from the Hyatt, by that would be kind of far to walk if your destination is the HI. Therefore, the Suzuki must have been near the HI.

This also seems to eliminate the beach as Joran would have walked passed the HI and Paulus to reach the McDonald's. There would be no need to walk that far if you are catching a ride from someone who was already situated north of the McDonald's. Fisherman huts to Marriott to HI to the McDonald's makes no sense unless Joran was already near that area.

another nail in the coffin for the beach story.

The red Suzuki was also confiscated and there must have been a reason for that.

[angelalala]

FYI

RED asked Jossy late last night for a full English translation of his part 2 article.  Hopefully Red will get it some time today.  Maybe even Angelala will get it before Red can check his email.  In any case, a full translation of the article will be forthcoming.

Hopefully... yes. Jossy is probably sick of me already this morning... and I've about worn out my email accounting checking and re-checking to see ... did I get it yet.

[Lala'sMom]

And don't forget the transaction at the bank in Noord at 1.15am. Joran was at the time leaving C&C. Was it Paulus ? My answer is yes.
Was Paulus in the casino the nightly hours Natalee vanished ? Yes, he was.
 

Welcome J45 - I agree with you that PVDS was in the casino

Do we have any proof of that 1:15 AM transaction?  I would love to see it.  I know J45 has always been on top of things and this would be a piece of a puzzle I have been looking at for a while...the time is the most important thing to me right now. TIA

[klaasend]

FYI

RED asked Jossy late last night for a full English translation of his part 2 article.  Hopefully Red will get it some time today.  Maybe even Angelala will get it before Red can check his email.  In any case, a full translation of the article will be forthcoming.

Hopefully... yes. Jossy is probably sick of me already this morning... and I've about worn out my email accounting checking and re-checking to see ... did I get it yet.

Hi Angelala - the article was definitely posted in Diario late last night early this AM.  I know Diario is down right now.  I'm like you and am waiting on the translation before I even try to decipher the pap article 

[klaasend]

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