Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[texasmom]

He could have had on part of a red devil costume...similar to the DVD...

What DVD? 

[Magnolia]

He could have had on part of a red devil costume...similar to the DVD...

What DVD? 

The one playing on the screen inside the Kalpoe Car.

[LoRain]

Exactly, so if he was only wearing a Tshirt, maybe it got ripped off of him.....


Wouldn't he then be walking down the road with no shirt at all?...

[SS]

In his statement, Deepak describe himself as wearing a red T-shirt that night.  I have thought that perhaps Urine's shirt was damaged or used to tie some rocks to weigh Natalee down.  Deepak could have given him the shirt before he left. 

We were told that there were three cars that night.  Car #1 was the Kalpoes who went home and returned.  Car #2 was DTKM and Voking.  Car #3 was Paulus who was called to picl Urine up.

[Buckeye]

There was MB testimony that they went on line to the C&C website and found the previous picture of Joran with jeans and plaid shirt.  They said he had on the exact same outfit at C&Cs that night.  That does not address the issue if his shirt got stained red, looked red under the neon lights, had a red t shirt under the plaid, had a red costume on....etc.  Deepak said that Deepak wore a red shirt, that night.   

[LoRain]

I was thinking Deepak had a red tee shirt at one time but I figured I was crazy cuz no one had mentioned it...

[LoRain]

Matter of fact...in the pic of Deepak and Joran sitting in the car at nite....did Deepak have on a red tee shirt then?...I'll have to find the pic...

[Buckeye]

I was thinking Deepak had a red tee shirt at one time but I figured I was crazy cuz no one had mentioned it...

It's in one of his statements.  I'm not sure Joran could fit into a Deepak shirt.

[LoRain]

Was thinking the same Buckeye...trying to imagine how Deepaks shirt fit on Deepak....loose or....

[Slogger]

It makes a lot of sense, Rob.  Also, with the McDonald's being so close to the Allegro it makes sense why the uniforms of those security guards were described in the initial lie.  Someone had recently seen one of those guards...maybe as they were waiting for their ride.

Do you remember if this pic was taken at CnC's the night Natalee left there with Joran?  If so, where did the red t-shirt come from?

 YES IT was taken at C&C he night Natalee left there with Joran.

 Do you think this is the same guy as above with Joran?

The lower photo is the infamous photoshopped shot dubbed "The Girl with the Twenty-foot Arm."  Not sure who the face belongs to, but the back of the head and the shirt look amazingly like Joran's.

There is a vague memory of the original photo (at RWV) before it became long and narrow, and later became square.  The man on the barstool had a reddish tinge to his face, almost a flushed look.

No point in shopping a stranger's face out of a photo.

Oh, and check how sloppy it was:  the guy's neck is dibbling down onto his shirt collar.

[JustMeT]

I was thinking Deepak had a red tee shirt at one time but I figured I was crazy cuz no one had mentioned it...

It's in one of his statements.  I'm not sure Joran could fit into a Deepak shirt.

No way.

Lol.

[Magnolia]

Deepak 5/31/05 PV

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I will answer you no.

On your question if my brother has a mobile telephone: I will answer you yes. My brother has a mobile telephone with the number "xxxxxxx".

On your question if you can me tell what the girl wore, I answer you the following: She wore a blue jeans skirt and she wore a pale blue blouse. I wore a blue nail trousers and a red top

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Satish 5/31/05 PV

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

On your question if my brother has a mobile telephone; I answer you yes. My brother has a mobile telephone with the number "xxxxxxx". I have a mobile telephone with the number "xxxxxxx".

On your question if you can me tell what the girl was wearing, I answer you the following: She wore a blue blouse and a skirt. I wore brown long trousers, a blue cap and a blue pullover. She had light straight hair and these were not braided

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Joran 5/31/05 PV

To your question, if I can tell you what the girl was wearing I answer you the following. She was wearing a blue jeans skirt and in my opinion a blue tank-top. I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt.

[LoRain]

Hallo Slogger....I have never noticed that about the neck!!!....WOW...

[LoRain]

Deepak....

[Lala'sMom]

LIST OF POSSIBLE WITNESSES...

THE GARDENER…

The gardener signed a statement with the police saying that between 2:30 am and 3:00 am he past by the racquet club and saw Deepak’s car. Joran in driver’s seat, Deepak, beside him, and Satish in back.

While in jail, a fellow inmate says the following to Deepak, “Hey, my gardener saw all 3 of you at the racquet club that morning” and Deepak gets mad and throws the dominoes all over the table.

What I had heard on the news was they did this voice thing on the guy who supposedly witnessed her being placed at the dump. He showed no deception.

It was reported that the "gardener" was an illegal alien and after the deposition this man was going to be sent back to his country. When the gardener didn't show everyone reported that maybe he got scared and left Aruba. NOW, a judge has ordered a deposition from the gardener this week. After the deposition the "gardener" will be arrested and deported!

JOGGER…

Aruba Police Search For Anonymous Jogger In Holloway Disappearance...

The man called a few days after Holloway disappeared and claimed to have seen something, said police spokesman Edwin Comenencia. Police want him to provide sworn testimony about what he says he saw, Comenencia said. The man told the hot line operator he lived near the Marriott Hotel - around the area where Holloway was last seen - and often went jogging there late at night, police said. Comenencia declined to say what the man claimed to have seen or how long police have been looking for him.

WOMAN NEAR RACKET CLUB…

TJ Ward said that a woman witnessed the boys about 10 PM 3 or 4 times around going in and out of the racket club. They believe the boys were following up to see if the body was still there.  The witness, a woman living in the neighborhood of the racketball club, and she was able to describe the car to a “t.” And what was interesting that stuck out was the taillights — who had custom taillights on it with clear covers over red lights. And not only did she describe those taillights, but she described it all the way down to the wheels of the silver Honda.

The woman probably told the PI the truth, but someone has threatened her since. It couldn't be that difficult to figure out who she is given the neighborhood is primarily uninhabited. The suspicion is that she was threatened.  Someone is still trying to make sure that this case goes no where.

ANOTHER WITNESS…

In early June 2005 there was a witness who came forward and said he helped bury Natalee with two others using a tarp,white Pickup and buried her in a shallow grave with two others. One of the helpers worked at the Marriott. This witness was then locked up in a Mental Hospital in Aruba.

MOUNTAIN BROOK STUDENT(S)…

Quote:
I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared.

Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious

KALPOE NEIGHBOR…

An eyewitness who saw both Kalpoe brothers thoroughly washing out their vehicle, at a location beside their home, which was termed "unusual." It was suggested the location was not the normal one they used and would help to obscure any view of their efforts from the street.

DUMP WITNESS…

The media is reporting that they have "witness" that says he saw the body of a blond haired woman being removed from the Holiday Inn on the morning that NH went missing. Says the body was put in a white truck and headed north toward the lighthouse.

The other "witness" has a white truck placing something that looked like a body in the municipal dump at the southeast end of the island.

The witness claimed he saw more than one person dump into the landfill something he believes could have been a covered body, CNN has learned from sources briefed on the investigation. The witness also gave police a license tag number that reportedly belonged to a white pickup truck.

Police tell CNN that a tag check found that the vehicle was not at the landfill at or around the time the witness claimed

THE POND WITNESS

TJ Ward
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005

T.J. WARD, INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY NATALEE`S FAMILY: Well, I don`t know how she could change her story because when I took her statement from her, she described a car to a T. And then about 30 minutes later, I came back with a picture from law enforcement that was used when they took the -- Deepak`s car into custody and took pictures of it. And she specifically said, That`s the car. That`s the car that I saw a week after the 28th -- I mean, the 29th and 30th of May, that was seen three times in the subdivision of the racquet club, where she lives, and was around the subdivision ...

The funny thing about this is if the gardener`s story is correct ... then this, in fact, would put this in the vicinity where it`s happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html

Remember this is not the same pond as the Monserat pond, I think.  So there are two ponds involved...just one where only Joran was seen alone...


Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal. So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep.
They accuse him to be Bifrons. (Bifrons = demon /monster)


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

[Blonde]

He could have had on part of a red devil costume...similar to the DVD...

What DVD? 

The one playing on the screen inside the Kalpoe Car.

[texasmom]

Deepak 5/31/05 PV

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I will answer you no.

On your question if my brother has a mobile telephone: I will answer you yes. My brother has a mobile telephone with the number "xxxxxxx".

On your question if you can me tell what the girl wore, I answer you the following: She wore a blue jeans skirt and she wore a pale blue blouse. I wore a blue nail trousers and a red top

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Satish 5/31/05 PV

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

On your question if my brother has a mobile telephone; I answer you yes. My brother has a mobile telephone with the number "xxxxxxx". I have a mobile telephone with the number "xxxxxxx".

On your question if you can me tell what the girl was wearing, I answer you the following: She wore a blue blouse and a skirt. I wore brown long trousers, a blue cap and a blue pullover. She had light straight hair and these were not braided

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Joran 5/31/05 PV

To your question, if I can tell you what the girl was wearing I answer you the following. She was wearing a blue jeans skirt and in my opinion a blue tank-top. I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt.

Thanks Magnolia!  

[texasmom]

He could have had on part of a red devil costume...similar to the DVD...

What DVD? 

The one playing on the screen inside the Kalpoe Car.

Thanks Blonde!  That's wicked!   

[SS]

I can only surmise that Paulus and Joran were in fact looking for the missing shoe. BUT, why? Joran would known that it was in the pond. If we remove the shoe from what was the list - there may have been another item tied to Natalee that Joran may have dropped.

It seems that the shoe is accounted for in the pond - so, what would Paulus and Joran be looking for?

and does anyone have any idea what the three identified items were?

list -

Natalee's flop flops
Natalee's driver's license
50 dollar bill belonging to Natalee and identified by Deepak.

I thought the shoe from the pond was not Jorans?..

LoRain - the shoe that someone planted at near some rocks last Spring was not Urine's shoe.  ALE never admitted finding a shoe when they drained the Monserat pond and had the Dutch forensic people search.

[Slogger]

Hi LoRain,

The guy's neck is strange.  If you hold your finger over the face, you see the back of the head, ear, and back of neck.

Who does that look like?