Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[LoRain]

[Slogger]

Hi LoRain,

The guy's neck is strange.  If you hold your finger over the face, you see the back of the head, ear, and back of neck.

Who does that look like?   

Slogger...the more I looked the more "things" I saw...who do you see?..

I see the back of Joran's little head.

Someone blew up the photo and pointed to a tiny Joran-face between the guy and the long-armed girl.  I wonder if it is still there.

[KYcat]

 
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Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal. So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep.
They accuse him to be Bifrons. (Bifrons = demon /monster)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Lala's    I get the above except I'm still confused regarding Who switched places?
After Urine's confrontation with Natalee he called Sweaty PaPa.  But Who switched places?  Val is the one with the bloodied, swollen tongue?!?  Did he switch with Sweaty Papa? 

 

[LoRain]

Dang...that's what I thought I was seeing...and that's when I quit looking...cuz that's quite bizarre...interesting Slogger...thank you....I just gotta go back and look again....

[CapsLockWizard]

I STILL can't help but wonder if this was not what I read that Kalpoe's HAD to wash off the car because if someone saw it they would know where they had been....

I think that the Kalpoe washed the car becuase after MATTY, his car was used to move the body, all went to the sloot home and from there after they give instructions to the  Kalpoes what to say if question by the authorities the next day...all got instruction around the pool that night at paules home.

After Kalpoes Left, the Babylonians (Paules in the Jeep, Frans Deutekom and van Straten in his Black Blazer, Vonking and Joran in Gray honda) deside to despose of the body since they are the Authority and can sing any tune in this case.

In which car was Natalee after was moved to the pond?. the gray honda.

Joran and Ben king wich also has dirtyfeed helped Joran to carry her to the pond. From this site, Vonking left leaving Joran alone at the pond and in the act of desposing the body.

When Joran came out from the pond, he was dirty and can't go home and was looking for the Jeep but the jeep was not there.

the jeep could not be over the soccer field since the honda just left and there are 2 guard on the other side of the street. watching the 2 banks. so he had no other choice to use the scondary road and run and walk till he can find where the road merges with the main road were his father came to pick him up near Mcdonalds and from there they went back home.

CAPS

[LoRain]

Thank you very much for taking the time CAPS....

[SS]

Caps - where were the rest of the party-goers?  At what point did Natalee die?  Did she die in the Matty Apts.?

[KYcat]

Lalas, no one mad, not me.  I think you are probably right.  I just literally got sick.  I don't know as much about this case as you and others that have worked so hard to find justice for Natalee but I have always held out hope that she would be found and justice done.  I can't even think about this not happening. 

Everyone moves so fast on here, I can't keep up.  I just read CAPS post also.  I am stunned.  Everything is coming together and making sense now.  BUt it is still so unbelievable that this coverup happened.  A country's reputation ruined.  A family's life shattered.  A beautiful and innocent girl's life taken, future ended before it started.   ARUBA - this question is for you  -- WAS IT WORTH IT?

 

[Dayhiker]

I STILL can't help but wonder if this was not what I read that Kalpoe's HAD to wash off the car because if someone saw it they would know where they had been....

I think that the Kalpoe washed the car becuase after MATTY, his car was used to move the body, all went to the sloot home and from there after they give instructions to the  Kalpoes what to say if question by the authorities the next day...all got instruction around the pool that night at paules home.

After Kalpoes Left, the Babylonians (Paules in the Jeep, Frans Deutekom and van Straten in his Black Blazer, Vonking and Joran in Gray honda) deside to despose of the body since they are the Authority and can sing any tune in this case.

In which car was Natalee after was moved to the pond?. the gray honda.

Joran and Ben king wich also has dirtyfeed helped Joran to carry her to the pond. From this site, Vonking left leaving Joran alone at the pond and in the act of desposing the body.

When Joran came out from the pond, he was dirty and can't go home and was looking for the Jeep but the jeep was not there.

the jeep could not be over the soccer field since the honda just left and there are 2 guard on the other side of the street. watching the 2 banks. so he had no other choice to use the scondary road and run and walk till he can find where the road merges with the main road were his father came to pick him up near Mcdonalds and from there they went back home.

CAPS

Caps, I like your thinking. It certainly explains why so many powerful people on Aruba, from government to to law enforcement to judiciary, fought for the Van der Sloots for so long, even at the total ruination of their island's economy and image. But then, I doubt these people really care about Aruba, they only care about their selfish interests.

[Magnolia]

They planned it all so carefully, but they did not anticipate Beth.
As Joran said to Patrick:  "That mother....she just wouldn't go away."

[Dayhiker]

Lalas, no one mad, not me.  I think you are probably right.  I just literally got sick.  I don't know as much about this case as you and others that have worked so hard to find justice for Natalee but I have always held out hope that she would be found and justice done.  I can't even think about this not happening. 

Everyone moves so fast on here, I can't keep up.  I just read CAPS post also.  I am stunned.  Everything is coming together and making sense now.  BUt it is still so unbelievable that this coverup happened.  A country's reputation ruined.  A family's life shattered.  A beautiful and innocent girl's life taken, future ended before it started.   ARUBA - this question is for you  -- WAS IT WORTH IT?

 

Yep KYcat, a total waste all the way around, all because of one punk named Joran wanted to get his jollies through force and drugs. And they have yet to throw his ass in prison, if they ever will.

[Slogger]

Carefully planned.

They never expected what came next.  Always thinking two more weeks and it will end.

[San]

They planned it all so carefully, but they did not anticipate Beth.
As Joran said to Patrick:  "That mother....she just wouldn't go away."

So true.

[San]

Carefully planned.

They never expected what came next.  Always thinking two more weeks and it will end.

And when it didn't that's when Van der Straaten and Karin Jansen threatened to stop the investigation.  Beth's determination frustrated them to no end and still does.

[KYcat]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

[LoRain]

CAPS..I want to ask you if you have heard of someone but I see there is no PM system here....how can I ask you without posting it on the boards?...Thank you...

[wreck]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

Natalee DOES represent everybody's girl -- and Aruba has spit on the whole USA. That is what angers me most.

[Dayhiker]

Carefully planned.

They never expected what came next.  Always thinking two more weeks and it will end.

You are so right Slogger. They never looked at the long range harm they were doing to themselves. They were always caught up in the minute trying to move a mountain with a teaspoon. Some of the things they did, like the arrest of the black security guards, are so transparent and amaturish that you really have to say they were out of their league. They are the hicks of the Caribbean.

[San]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

Natalee DOES represent everybody's girl -- and Aruba has spit on the whole USA. That is what angers me most.

Me too.

[KYcat]

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