Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[always 1]

good nite Wreck.

Goodnight A-1! (Are you going to bed -- or are you making me?  )

Im going to bed, but I just wanted to tell you good nite.

[Buckeye]

I watch the videos...not sure about that one captured shot...but the video and total of shots I've seen....say Paulus.  I don't see Jan VDS at all.  I'm not into disinfo. If IIRC, John QKelly and Kimberly G, and Jossy, who would have seen the best video clips, thought Paulus, also.  There may be more clarity, that I am not aware of, but I have not seen or read about it.

[texasmom]

I watch the videos...not sure about that one captured shot...but the video and total of shots I've seen....say Paulus.  I don't see Jan VDS at all.  I'm not into disinfo. If IIRC, John QKelly and Kimberly G, and Jossy, who would have seen the best video clips, thought Paulus, also.  There may be more clarity, that I am not aware of, but I have not seen or read about it.

I agree. 

[klaasend]

Poochy - I question the quality of that picture #2.  Someone has clearly manipulated the colors.

#2 enlarged





By comparison look at the glasses (I enlarged this photo as well).

[klaasend]

I watch the videos...not sure about that one captured shot...but the video and total of shots I've seen....say Paulus.  I don't see Jan VDS at all.  I'm not into disinfo. If IIRC, John QKelly and Kimberly G, and Jossy, who would have seen the best video clips, thought Paulus, also.  There may be more clarity, that I am not aware of, but I have not seen or read about it.

I agree. 

I agree as well and per my post above that photo in particular is obviously manipuplated colorwise.

[CapsLockWizard]

The question now is...

How will everything play out now, in light of this new info...

patient----the puzzle is on the table....patient there is more than part 2 there is 3 and 4 and 5 as this writings...

A singing war is a lost war.

[Sleuth]

The question now is...

How will everything play out now, in light of this new info...

patient----the puzzle is on the table....patient there is more than part 2 there is 3 and 4 and 5 as this writings...

A singing war is a lost war.

EXACTLY..

[billb's daughter]

The question now is...

How will everything play out now, in light of this new info...

patient----the puzzle is on the table....patient there is more than part 2 there is 3 and 4 and 5 as this writings...

A singing war is a lost war.

CAPS...
this is all very exciting and I know everyone is hopeful that there will be closure for Beth,  Jug, Dave, Robin and the extended family. And, that the perps and those that covered up will be prosecuted to the fullish extent of the law. But as of today, am I correct that Mos has not acted on this info? Including parts 3, 4,  5 etc.? Will the hammer come down by the international community, or is the intent too make Aruba stand up to the injustice and makes things right in their backyard?
By the way, I haven't posted often, but have followed daily, and your efforts to get justice for Natalee has been exemplary! The fact that Red, Klass, and all the monkeys (too many to mention by name....but we know who they are) has kept this unsolved injustice active, not allowing it to go by the wayside, keeps my faith in good people strong. I am proud to be a small part of SM, and I stand with the girl....
respectfully,
billb

[CapsLockWizard]

The question now is...

How will everything play out now, in light of this new info...

patient----the puzzle is on the table....patient there is more than part 2 there is 3 and 4 and 5 as this writings...

A singing war is a lost war.

CAPS...
this is all very exciting and I know everyone is hopeful that there will be closure for Beth,  Jug, Dave, Robin and the extended family. And, that the perps and those that covered up will be prosecuted to the fullish extent of the law. But as of today, am I correct that Mos has not acted on this info? Including parts 3, 4,  5 etc.? Will the hammer come down by the international community, or is the intent too make Aruba stand up to the injustice and makes things right in their backyard?
By the way, I haven't posted often, but have followed daily, and your efforts to get justice for Natalee has been exemplary! The fact that Red, Klass, and all the monkeys (too many to mention by name....but we know who they are) has kept this unsolved injustice active, not allowing it to go by the wayside, keeps my faith in good people strong. I am proud to be a small part of SM, and I stand with the girl....
respectfully,
billb

MOS is out and with no power anymore.... like billiard, the 8 ball is in the middle and cue is align to break so all will fall in the right poket. watch the 8th

[johan555]

caps are the matt ap still open ?

[Pita]

Capslock - do not feel obligated to answer anyones questions here.  Might not be a good idea right now.

I'm sorry....it's just a name that I have that doesn't really have anything to do with all this discussion here lately...I would just like to be able to either put it to rest or keep trying to figure this person out....it's not directly related to the discussion lately....

If the name you have doesn't pertain to the NH case then for what purpose could you want to know if Caps knows this person?  I can only think of one reason and that's to identify who Caps is. 

Now please don't start jumping to conclusions....I don't care who CAPS is as long as he's/she's trying to solve the case...

Yes the name has to do with the case...just not the discussion....or should I say topic...that is going on now...

I can't say much more because I don't want to discuss it on the boards....that's all I can say....take it how you want to....

Would you be referring to the mystery man, Reality?

LOL...I don't think so....he's no mystery is he?...

I was never one of the desperate and lonely ones who fell under his "spell."

[johan555]

When paulas was at the bank (aruba bank )
Jonatan45 : At 1.15am someone [ must be Paulus] was at the bank a transaction [family-account] in Noord.
They Must have seen him on security camera's, were are these pics ?
because that should be evidene !
they have 300 security camera's there

there are security camera's at the Aruba bank also in Noord


they use - CCTV & Access Controlbut
Why didn't they show the securtity pictures or bring them to the police ???????


there can be a connection
here are their links
Links   
*Some links of interest:

ASIS American Society for Industrial Security
SILMAR Electronics Inc.
CSA Coaxial Systems Associates
CHECKPOINT Systems Inc.
BOSCH Security Systems
DSC Digital Security Controls

www  aruba.com
www  arubatourism.com

so they work for The Aruba bank




RW CROES IS ALSO A Meber of the EL SOL NACIENTE Lodge



so what is the connection  ?

[Poochy]

Poochy - I question the quality of that picture #2.  Someone has clearly manipulated the colors.

#2 enlarged





By comparison look at the glasses (I enlarged this photo as well).

Klass,  I'll take a screen shot from the original video compare. I see what you mean about the glasses - they look like sunglasses in that one pic.

We know Paulus was in the casino that night and so were many of Joran's friends' fathers (Jaime's father, etc). It was a father-son night. Whomever it was, Joran knew him enough to converse w/him. So did Natalee.

While I want to see Paulus in that pic, I can't say it was him just by looking at the top of his balding head. He's not the only balding man on Aruba who owns a white shirt. The nose is too prominent to be his.

If someone told me that was a pic of Prince Willem of Orange, I'd would see him too in that pic. And if someone said that pic was taken in 1970, I'd think it was Ringo Starr because of the nose

I'll believe it was Paulus when of the MB kids in that casino that night says it was Paulus.

[LoRain]

Capslock - do not feel obligated to answer anyones questions here.  Might not be a good idea right now.

I'm sorry....it's just a name that I have that doesn't really have anything to do with all this discussion here lately...I would just like to be able to either put it to rest or keep trying to figure this person out....it's not directly related to the discussion lately....

If the name you have doesn't pertain to the NH case then for what purpose could you want to know if Caps knows this person?  I can only think of one reason and that's to identify who Caps is. 

Now please don't start jumping to conclusions....I don't care who CAPS is as long as he's/she's trying to solve the case...

Yes the name has to do with the case...just not the discussion....or should I say topic...that is going on now...

I can't say much more because I don't want to discuss it on the boards....that's all I can say....take it how you want to....

Would you be referring to the mystery man, Reality?

LOL...I don't think so....he's no mystery is he?...

I was never one of the desperate and lonely ones who fell under his "spell."

Well I can say that I'm neither desperate or lonely and have not fallen under any kind of spell at all...that's rediculous...IMO...

[SS]

DTKM? Refresh me...Who is this???

Frans van Duetekom...the behaviour specialist

Caps, does a video tape exist and if so is this what Paulus came to the U.S. (Florida) for early on in the case?

Good to see you Blue Moon.  The video tape... can you refresh my memory... who had the movie? 

Early on in the case Paulus came to Florida with the excuse he had to get his money back on Joran's school.  I think it was speculated that he came to retrieve a video that had been uploaded that night from Aruba.

You are correct.  There was no money for Paulass to get back from St. Leo's.  The deposit of several hundred dollars is non-refundable and the tuition isn't due until registration in September.

[Vicki]

Hey Monkeys Good Morning....I want to just post a HUGE THANK YOU to you guys..Im sitting here with tears streaming down my face HOPING this is it.... Thanks to CLW for everything.....Its been three very long years...I want to tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree...[remember that song..] Love to everyone Im SOSOSOSOSOSOSO Happy. You guys are the best and even though I dont post often I do follow what you super slueths have been doing...

[SS]

The question now is...

How will everything play out now, in light of this new info...

patient----the puzzle is on the table....patient there is more than part 2 there is 3 and 4 and 5 as this writings...

A singing war is a lost war.

CAPS...
this is all very exciting and I know everyone is hopeful that there will be closure for Beth,  Jug, Dave, Robin and the extended family. And, that the perps and those that covered up will be prosecuted to the fullish extent of the law. But as of today, am I correct that Mos has not acted on this info? Including parts 3, 4,  5 etc.? Will the hammer come down by the international community, or is the intent too make Aruba stand up to the injustice and makes things right in their backyard?
By the way, I haven't posted often, but have followed daily, and your efforts to get justice for Natalee has been exemplary! The fact that Red, Klass, and all the monkeys (too many to mention by name....but we know who they are) has kept this unsolved injustice active, not allowing it to go by the wayside, keeps my faith in good people strong. I am proud to be a small part of SM, and I stand with the girl....
respectfully,
billb

MOS is out and with no power anymore.... like billiard, the 8 ball is in the middle and cue is align to break so all will fall in the right poket. watch the 8th

Caps - you referred to the 8th before, also.  Do you mean the 8th of October?

[Blonde]

It makes a lot of sense, Rob.  Also, with the McDonald's being so close to the Allegro it makes sense why the uniforms of those security guards were described in the initial lie.  Someone had recently seen one of those guards...maybe as they were waiting for their ride.

Do you remember if this pic was taken at CnC's the night Natalee left there with Joran?  If so, where did the red t-shirt come from?

 YES IT was taken at C&C he night Natalee left there with Joran.

 Do you think this is the same guy as above with Joran?

 My point in asking if you thought it was the same guy was because their is a MB girl in this first picture,on the right of him, then we would know it was from the same night.



Natalee with that same girl.

[Destiny]

he went home to change his clothes. before he went to school.

Hi Caps,

are you sure and how do you know?

your witness said he watched him walk away until he didn't see him any longer... right?

so, how you anyone know if he went home?
[/quote]

I think he changed clothes at Lorenzo's house...it was very near where Joran was picked up for school that morning....also...something I was told on a phone call to Aruba a few weeks ago...and it is not in either Diario Article...is that the first time Joran was seen running under the street light....is that....Joran had blood all over his shirt...hmmm...Des

[Nut44x4]

Did she get a haircut before she went to the bar?