Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[Rob]

he went home to change his clothes. before he went to school.

Hi Caps,

are you sure and how do you know?

your witness said he watched him walk away until he didn't see him any longer... right?

so, how you anyone know if he went home?

I think he changed clothes at Lorenzo's house...it was very near where Joran was picked up for school that morning....also...something I was told on a phone call to Aruba a few weeks ago...and it is not in either Diario Article...is that the first time Joran was seen running under the street light....is that....Joran had blood all over his shirt...hmmm...Des
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Hi Des, maybe we're both wrong... but good lawd, it sure makes a lot of sense now doesn't it?

Ya know, there is an explanation - and one that will not be extremely complicated. If the explanation was extremely complicated - Joran and Paulus would not even be implicated... so the truth is there - somewhere. It's just right below the surface and slightly concealed by those enablers. I believe the clothes were found at Lorenzo's because when we discovered the real simian, he was my friend from Aruba and he was the first to give a list of what was owned by Lorenzo and what was searched. We later found out that clothing "allegedly belonging to Natalee was found" but that was not true as far as we could determine - so it makes sense that there was clothing found, but it's Joran's clothing....this makes more sense, but it's not confirmed.

[adoronron]

Did she get a haircut before she went to the bar?

Nut,
That is a total fake photo. We discussed it about a year or so ago and found many many flaws. If you take photo enhancing software and zoom in on the guys face you'll find it is not even an actual face, it's a bunch of pixels thrown together (one on the nose is joran). The girls back and arm had about a foot of length added, the hair was manipulated, etc etc. We never did, as far as I know, determine the source of that fake photo. I think it first appeared on another web site that was anti monkey.

Ado

[2NJSons_Mom]

Did she get a haircut before she went to the bar?

Nut,
That is a total fake photo. We discussed it about a year or so ago and found many many flaws. If you take photo enhancing software and zoom in on the guys face you'll find it is not even an actual face, it's a bunch of pixels thrown together (one on the nose is joran). The girls back and arm had about a foot of length added, the hair was manipulated, etc etc. We never did, as far as I know, determine the source of that fake photo. I think it first appeared on another web site that was anti monkey.

Ado

Hi, Ado.....I believe that was Nut's point in her post....

[Blonde]

Caps -- on a lighter note-- I love your new avi!!  Cowboys?  Looking for Natalee?

I pray they find her. 

 

Remembr the movie name

Sundown at Tombstone??

Just Tombstone

http://www.flixster.com/movie/tombstone

[Destiny]

he went home to change his clothes. before he went to school.

Hi Caps,

are you sure and how do you know?

your witness said he watched him walk away until he didn't see him any longer... right?

so, how you anyone know if he went home?

I think he changed clothes at Lorenzo's house...it was very near where Joran was picked up for school that morning....also...something I was told on a phone call to Aruba a few weeks ago...and it is not in either Diario Article...is that the first time Joran was seen running under the street light....is that....Joran had blood all over his shirt...hmmm...Des

Hi Des, maybe we're both wrong... but good lawd, it sure makes a lot of sense now doesn't it?

Ya know, there is an explanation - and one that will not be extremely complicated. If the explanation was extremely complicated - Joran and Paulus would not even be implicated... so the truth is there - somewhere. It's just right below the surface and slightly concealed by those enablers. I believe the clothes were found at Lorenzo's because when we discovered the real simian, he was my friend from Aruba and he was the first to give a list of what was owned by Lorenzo and what was searched. We later found out that clothing "allegedly belonging to Natalee was found" but that was not true as far as we could determine - so it makes sense that there was clothing found, but it's Joran's clothing....this makes more sense, but it's not confirmed.
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LOL Rob...yep we be on the same page with what you posted....don't know if it is the right or wrong page...but I do think they would go for the *KISS* Keep It Simple Stupid....scenario and I agree it was probably Joran's clothes found at Lorenzo's home....Des

[BUCKSHOT]

Off topic a bit....

What a good scheme they potentially had going at the casino...

GVC in charge of casino cameras...
Guido in charge of table dealing cards...
Anyone who sat at their table could be a winner...

[wreck]

I'm very heartened to hear Caps' confidence that there is already "parts 3, 4, 5...etc." in place! There must be a coordinated effort (hopefully from the U.S. Government and Holland!

[BUCKSHOT]

http://judicial-inc.biz/J_oran62.jpg
Pic of Ben (Voc)King
Someone should add him to the who's who thread.

Would love to see a pic of Frans Deutekom.
I have never seen pic of him..

[Buckeye]

http://judicial-inc.biz/J_oran62.jpg
Pic of Ben (Voc)King
Someone should add him to the who's who thread.

Would love to see a pic of Frans Deutekom.
I have never seen pic of him..

That Ben Vocking is not the one on Aruba.  That is a Dutch priest.

[Rob]

I'm very heartened to hear Caps' confidence that there is already "parts 3, 4, 5...etc." in place! There must be a coordinated effort (hopefully from the U.S. Government and Holland!

I doubt Holland will do anything, they've had three years and sent their KLPD there a few times - and the result - nada.

[wreck]

I'm very heartened to hear Caps' confidence that there is already "parts 3, 4, 5...etc." in place! There must be a coordinated effort (hopefully from the U.S. Government and Holland!

I doubt Holland will do anything, they've had three years and sent their KLPD there a few times - and the result - nada.

They sent 40-50 investigators from Holland to look at the pond. Who is to say they did nada? Maybe they just didn't share what they found with the corrupt ALE.

[Rob]

This is one of two known photos of Frans Deutekom. The other photo is extremely blurred.

This is him, we confirmed it.

[Rob]

I'm very heartened to hear Caps' confidence that there is already "parts 3, 4, 5...etc." in place! There must be a coordinated effort (hopefully from the U.S. Government and Holland!

I doubt Holland will do anything, they've had three years and sent their KLPD there a few times - and the result - nada.

They sent 40-50 investigators from Holland to look at the pond. Who is to say they did nada? Maybe they just didn't share what they found with the corrupt ALE.

that seems to be true wreck. I'll grant you that. It's just that their past investigations didn't lead anywhere and Aruba is only so big. You can't keeping looking in the wrong places forever.

[BUCKSHOT]

http://judicial-inc.biz/J_oran62.jpg
Pic of Ben (Voc)King
Someone should add him to the who's who thread.

Would love to see a pic of Frans Deutekom.
I have never seen pic of him..

That Ben Vocking is not the one on Aruba.  That is a Dutch priest.

OK. That makes sense. I could not see this man involved.

[wreck]

I'm very heartened to hear Caps' confidence that there is already "parts 3, 4, 5...etc." in place! There must be a coordinated effort (hopefully from the U.S. Government and Holland!

I doubt Holland will do anything, they've had three years and sent their KLPD there a few times - and the result - nada.

They sent 40-50 investigators from Holland to look at the pond. Who is to say they did nada? Maybe they just didn't share what they found with the corrupt ALE.

that seems to be true wreck. I'll grant you that. It's just that their past investigations didn't lead anywhere and Aruba is only so big. You can't keeping looking in the wrong places forever.

I understand the skepticism -- I think that there is a different air in Holland these days. Since early this year there seems to be a growing group of lawmakers etc. that are tired of the corruption in the islands. Lets hope so!

[BUCKSHOT]

This is one of two known photos of Frans Deutekom. The other photo is extremely blurred.

This is him, we confirmed it.

Thank you.
Can Klaas add him to ARUBA WHO"S WHO thread for quick reference along with the real pic of BEN (BFF of PVDS) KING?

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://judicial-inc.biz/J_oran62.jpg
Pic of Ben (Voc)King
Someone should add him to the who's who thread.

Would love to see a pic of Frans Deutekom.
I have never seen pic of him..

That Ben Vocking is not the one on Aruba.  That is a Dutch priest.

OK. That makes sense. I could not see this man involved.

Aruban Who's Who in Important Case Documents has photos of Ben Vocking, under King:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg376933#new

Rob, I didn't check to see if van Deutekom's pic was posted there...will check.

[2NJSons_Mom]

This is one of two known photos of Frans Deutekom. The other photo is extremely blurred.

This is him, we confirmed it.

Thank you.
Can Klaas add him to ARUBA WHO"S WHO thread for quick reference along with the real pic of BEN (BFF of PVDS) KING?

Ben was already in Aruban Who's Who, as I posted & provided link....just added Frans in a separate post in there.

[BUCKSHOT]

http://judicial-inc.biz/J_oran62.jpg
Pic of Ben (Voc)King
Someone should add him to the who's who thread.

Would love to see a pic of Frans Deutekom.
I have never seen pic of him..

That Ben Vocking is not the one on Aruba.  That is a Dutch priest.

OK. That makes sense. I could not see this man involved.

Aruban Who's Who in Important Case Documents has photos of Ben Vocking, under King:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg376933#new

Rob, I didn't check to see if van Deutekom's pic was posted there...will check.

Thanks...

[always 1]

Do we have pictures of Joran wearing the so called "pimp shirt" after this time????