Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[sandy leiva]

Speaking of Dompig....seems there is a "clarification" in tomorrow's Awemainta (my translation...so may not be correct  )  But I think it's clarifying the fact that Dompig is not the Police Commisioner even though he is pictured in the uniform in the article about his security company.

They must have short memories. The bum was shown the door after bungling the case.

Yep...and I still think there is a connection to the Kalpoes. 

7/30/2008

   

is weaver back in aruba or is this old photo?  didnt he run off to holland with scratches on face and his father say that he was gay after nat went missing?  Hes also cousin to horseface, i forget her name spokesperson for ahata??

[wreck]

Do we have pictures of Joran wearing the so called "pimp shirt" after this time????

Joran was arrested 10 days after that night. I don't know of any pics of joran during those 10 days.

[always 1]

Thank Wreck, I looked back through all mine that Crossbow sent me and couldn't find any either.

[Nut44x4]

Do we have pictures of Joran wearing the so called "pimp shirt" after this time????

I believe we do. Sorry I do not have time now to scour through all my photos and all here in SM to find it. I am sure of it, though.

[always 1]

If you go back to some of the old old cemetaries, here, they actually used carvings of lambs for a babys grave.  The graves in Aruba all seem to have Crosses and the like above them.  Do you think they would put an actual lamb or just their meaning of the word lamb???

[Slogger]

Do we have pictures of Joran wearing the so called "pimp shirt" after this time????

Joran was arrested 10 days after that night. I don't know of any pics of joran during those 10 days.

IIRC, Joran may have been picked up while wearing a shirt of similar pattern.  Also, in the photo of Joran in handcuffs, with head down looking worried, he is wearing a similar pattern.

I think shirts were purchased in multiples of same style and pattern.

[always 1]

Do we have pictures of Joran wearing the so called "pimp shirt" after this time????

I believe we do. Sorry I do not have time now to scour through all my photos and all here in SM to find it. I am sure of it, though.

Ok, thank you, I will keep looking.

[wreck]

Do we have pictures of Joran wearing the so called "pimp shirt" after this time????

I believe we do. Sorry I do not have time now to scour through all my photos and all here in SM to find it. I am sure of it, though.

Joran went from jail (September) to school in The Netherlands. We have a pic of Joran wearing that same shirt after that? I don't think so.

[klaasend]

It makes a lot of sense, Rob.  Also, with the McDonald's being so close to the Allegro it makes sense why the uniforms of those security guards were described in the initial lie.  Someone had recently seen one of those guards...maybe as they were waiting for their ride.

Do you remember if this pic was taken at CnC's the night Natalee left there with Joran?  If so, where did the red t-shirt come from?

 YES IT was taken at C&C he night Natalee left there with Joran.

 Do you think this is the same guy as above with Joran?

 My point in asking if you thought it was the same guy was because their is a MB girl in this first picture,on the right of him, then we would know it was from the same night.



Natalee with that same girl.

Yes but that photo was photoshopped before it was originally posted at RWV so I don't know what to believe in it.

[Lala'sMom]

he went home to change his clothes. before he went to school.

Hi Caps,

are you sure and how do you know?

your witness said he watched him walk away until he didn't see him any longer... right?

so, how you anyone know if he went home?

I think he changed clothes at Lorenzo's house...it was very near where Joran was picked up for school that morning....also...something I was told on a phone call to Aruba a few weeks ago...and it is not in either Diario Article...is that the first time Joran was seen running under the street light....is that....Joran had blood all over his shirt...hmmm...Des

Hi Des, maybe we're both wrong... but good lawd, it sure makes a lot of sense now doesn't it?

Ya know, there is an explanation - and one that will not be extremely complicated. If the explanation was extremely complicated - Joran and Paulus would not even be implicated... so the truth is there - somewhere. It's just right below the surface and slightly concealed by those enablers. I believe the clothes were found at Lorenzo's because when we discovered the real simian, he was my friend from Aruba and he was the first to give a list of what was owned by Lorenzo and what was searched. We later found out that clothing "allegedly belonging to Natalee was found" but that was not true as far as we could determine - so it makes sense that there was clothing found, but it's Joran's clothing....this makes more sense, but it's not confirmed.
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No. no. no!!  Don't say Lorenzo! 

[ldstlou]

Lalas...I need to talk to you and can't find your number again!!
I promise I will save it this time!! lol

Can you e-mail it to me?
ldstlou@sbcglobal.net

[klaasend]

Do we have pictures of Joran wearing the so called "pimp shirt" after this time????

I believe we do. Sorry I do not have time now to scour through all my photos and all here in SM to find it. I am sure of it, though.

Joran went from jail (September) to school in The Netherlands. We have a pic of Joran wearing that same shirt after that? I don't think so.

Joran had at least 2 blue and white plaid shirts very similar but the plaid a bit different.  He did wear a plaid shirt after his release but that one didn't match up to some others we've seen him wear before Natalee was in Aruba.

[Lala'sMom]

Do we have pictures of Joran wearing the so called "pimp shirt" after this time????

I believe we do. Sorry I do not have time now to scour through all my photos and all here in SM to find it. I am sure of it, though.

There is a photo of Joran in the same shirt after the fact.  It is in the very earliest stuff around August or September.  I am not going back and look for it because it is in the Lively threads and that is way too much trouble.  I do remember much discussion of him and his wardrobe at the time.

[always 1]

I went back through some more pictures.  There were at least three blue and white plaid shirts.  How do we know which one he was wearing on that fateful night.  The only way I noticed the difference is they were all on the same page.

[Lala'sMom]

Lalas...I need to talk to you and can't find your number again!!
I promise I will save it this time!! lol

Can you e-mail it to me?
ldstlou@sbcglobal.net

OK.

[Lala'sMom]

 
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Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal. So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep.
They accuse him to be Bifrons. (Bifrons = demon /monster)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Lala's    I get the above except I'm still confused regarding Who switched places?
After Urine's confrontation with Natalee he called Sweaty PaPa.  But Who switched places?  Val is the one with the bloodied, swollen tongue?!?  Did he switch with Sweaty Papa? 

 

Sorry, I am so slow in answering...cant' keep up these days...but to answer this let me ask a question....What if the "switch" was not in a car but at home?

[Lala'sMom]

Caps - where were the rest of the party-goers?  At what point did Natalee die?  Did she die in the Matty Apts.?

The fight, the sex film , the rape, the killing happend at matty.

the party goers ran away but all got called in for questioning. and record clean-up

this goes for the Gray honda. when they took the gray honda was not for forensic but to clean it up....

all who was involved was called in ..and who ever did not cooperate, got either a tast of jail time or got paid to shut up and ship out.

This case can not be seen that OM did not do any thing. They had to leave open ended issues to make it look like they were investigating and we call it a patch but if we applied reverse engeneering method, you can see that I they never said that there was a group gang bang but left it open. The reason we know about of the others are that some ex FBI hot shot let it out in the news and from there they called all one by one not for questioning but to secure that the case will not come to light.

Continuing here...if everyone will just think..they can figure out the names of the party goers.....something for you non- Shango believers to think about. 

[ldstlou]

Lalas...I need to talk to you and can't find your number again!!
I promise I will save it this time!! lol

Can you e-mail it to me?
ldstlou@sbcglobal.net

OK.

Did I miss it? Didn't come through yet? Not rushing you!! lol Just wanted to make sure it didn't end up in cyberspace lala land!!

 

[Lala'sMom]

Lisa
I am having trouble with my yahoo mail...is it urgent?  I need to go to the store real quick....I will send it to you by another email...hang on.

[Lala'sMom]

One more thing to consider...about the casino video...just to show how confusing things can get...Tommy Pooch claims it was him sitting there with those girls.  LOL  BBL