Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[Destiny]

Des this is o/t sorta, you have to see the latest video Carpe posted of George's house, one whole wall in the garage is plastic boxes.  Sorry for o/t.

Good eye A-1...saw that in a photo about a month ago....yes you are right!

Des...

[texasmom]

Welcome to the cage Bastibro!   

[Destiny]

I may have to stick to the "Nat" forum -- the girls at "Caylee" are calling "45" year old guys - "ancient"!! 

Wreck...if that is what the posters think...then...that makes me a friccin' Mummy!....Des

[Destiny]

Hello Monkeys,

Thanks for having me on your great forum!
I`ve been reading here for about 1,5 yr now and was sometimes anxious to respond to your posts or answering questions made.

I`m pretty exited about the latest developments referring to the new(old witness) and am highly amazed Dutch media didn`t yet picked it up.

I have great confidence in Peter de Vries(he proved to have a big heart) and think PvdEem, although he has a criminal mind, did a great job help showing the real Joran and bring all attention back to the Natalee case.

Now up to the next step: PROVIDING JUSTICE TO NATALEE, NATALEE`S FAMILY and unravel the corrupt Aruban cover-up.

I love you all and be blessed . .

Welcome to the Monkey Cage....I was told that Peter de Vries *is* part of what is going on.....

Are You Aruban by Birth?....I hope so!

Destiny

Des, is De Vries the ONLY Dutchman involved -- or is the Hague also?? (please tell me The Hague and/or KLPD!!!!)

Wreck in league with the big guns...gotta win that TV award Ya know.....Des...LOL

[bastibro]

Welcome to the cage Bastibro!   

Thanks Mom and thanks Rob!!

[wreck]

I may have to stick to the "Nat" forum -- the girls at "Caylee" are calling "45" year old guys - "ancient"!! 

Wreck...if that is what the posters think...then...that makes me a friccin' Mummy!....Des

I may have to go back over there, shake my cane at them, and throw my Geritol in their faces!!   

[always 1]

 

[klaasend]

Welcome Bastibro!
I recognize Paulus and Vocking in your Avatar -- who's the other guy?
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Carlo, then Joran`s attorney and the one who made the appointment with and did meet Karin Jansen to tell her he knew Joran was guilty but said it was up to them(ALE) to come with the evidence.

Thanks for havin me
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AND...Paulus went to work as an attorney in Carlo's office.  Convenient.

[Ree]

I may have to stick to the "Nat" forum -- the girls at "Caylee" are calling "45" year old guys - "ancient"!! 

Wreck...if that is what the posters think...then...that makes me a friccin' Mummy!....Des

I may have to go back over there, shake my cane at them, and throw my Geritol in their faces!!   

I'd recommend pulling your pants down to your waist first.

[Destiny]

I may have to stick to the "Nat" forum -- the girls at "Caylee" are calling "45" year old guys - "ancient"!! 

Wreck...if that is what the posters think...then...that makes me a friccin' Mummy!....Des

I may have to go back over there, shake my cane at them, and throw my Geritol in their faces!!   

Hands Wreck my own bottle of Geritol...throw it Baby...throw it........Des....LOL!

[wreck]

I may have to stick to the "Nat" forum -- the girls at "Caylee" are calling "45" year old guys - "ancient"!! 

Wreck...if that is what the posters think...then...that makes me a friccin' Mummy!....Des

I may have to go back over there, shake my cane at them, and throw my Geritol in their faces!!   

I'm takin' Old Fart with me for protection!! 


Hands Wreck my own bottle of Geritol...throw it Baby...throw it........Des....LOL!

[texasmom]

Hello Monkeys,

Thanks for having me on your great forum!
I`ve been reading here for about 1,5 yr now and was sometimes anxious to respond to your posts or answering questions made.

I`m pretty exited about the latest developments referring to the new(old witness) and am highly amazed Dutch media didn`t yet picked it up.

I have great confidence in Peter de Vries(he proved to have a big heart) and think PvdEem, although he has a criminal mind, did a great job help showing the real Joran and bring all attention back to the Natalee case.

Now up to the next step: PROVIDING JUSTICE TO NATALEE, NATALEE`S FAMILY and unravel the corrupt Aruban cover-up.

I love you all and be blessed . .

[Lala'sMom]

This is basically the key to Merian Ernest and a few of the other codes.  It’s still open to other interpretations and changes.

Mary = Natalee
Yellowhammer = Natalee
The Lamb = Joran
The sacrifice = Joran
Shivas = The Kalpoes
Hindus = The Kalpoes
Dirty Hand = DTKM, Public Prosecuter, behavior specialist
The Elder = Voking
Fallen Judge = Paulus
His Lordship = probably the Prime Minister
Sumerian – the undertaker, Masons
Babylonians = Higher Powers, Masons
Arawaks = native Arubans
Arawak King = Prime Minister or Posner
Olorum = supreme being
46th Spirit = a spirit with swollen features of a rotting corpse
Bifron = monster, Sicarios
Teepees = businesses on the island
Roll = using Ecstacy
Keystone = center of corruption, Dirty Hand
The Lions = dangerous people involved in Natalee’s death and coverup
The Maze = location of the rave parties, Matty Apts.
The Palace = Matty Apts.
Sacrifice = Joran
Cowboys = TES, Holloways, searchers
Indians = Arubans
Loot = Natalee
Wampum = income to Aruba, money
Occam’s Razor = keep it simple
Doppleganger = and invisible shadow, a double
Eden = truth
Cowboy Gods = US media
5th Suspect = ? Several possibilities
The Gods = Attorney General Theresa Croes-Fernandez Pedra
Party-goers = Chemaly, Renfro, Arendsz, Briezen, Joran, Satish, Deepak, Guido,
   Freddy, LVR, and others.
Yellowhammer = Natalee
Yellowbird = cool and crazy guy from earlier in the week, the 5th
Simian, Merian Ernest = Armin Solognier
Babylonian Palace = Masonic Lodge
Head Doctor = Bushi Wever
The Whisperer = Mito Cores
Croupier = Guido Wever
The Tracy = TJ Ward
Son of the Rising Sun – Chemaly, BonDia logo
Jaguar = Dutch Coast Guard Ship
Silent Antennas = tetra police radios, cell towers, Edmond Croes
Ganga = Julia
The Old Cowboy = Tim Miller
Primate = the killer
Gringos = TES
The Mutts = search dogs
Fake Diploma = Booshi Wever
Dutch Bugs = Dutch F16s
Chief Babylonian = Dompig
The Dead End = Monserat Pond
Gold Bricks = the banks
Macamba = Sloots
Haystack = Hooiberg
Grease on the floor = evidence of another party
Horses = SUVs
Holds the Hammer = van der Stratan
Emily = hurricane
Federales = FBI
Jet Ski Boy = Max DeVries
Sabana Basora = Rene von Heynigen
Conuco = small Aruban homes
Cool and Crazy Guy = the 5th suspect, the murderer
House of Rave = Matty Apartments
The Music Man’s Song was not on the bill = Steve Croes alibi wasn’t planned
The Package from the Hague = DNA
Tricked out cars and PCs = changes made to the computers and Deepak’s Honda
Hindus – Kalpoes
Didn’t Build Sandcastles = they weren’t at the beach
Black bellied tree ducks = Kalpoes
Robed ones = judges, Masons
Passageways used once before = another woman also died at another party
Mary who was not a virgin = Julia
Papi the Butterfly – Armin Solognier
The Key = possibly the video tape
Dead Dogs = dogs killed by Lorenzo
XTC = Ecstacy, drugs
Daury = Paulus, Voking, DTKM, van der Straten
Late for school = Paulus was late for his class
El Padre = the priest
The Lamb = Natalee, headstone
The News = BonDia
The Alibi = possibly a party at Lorenzo’s house
Who switched places and sent him home = Paulus ?
The Ping = an insult
The House was Dusted = Rufo Solognier was assigned to clean up Matty Apts.
Babylonian movies = porn videos
The Confrontation = the murder
The Dirty Water = Monserat pond
Innocent Young Flies = girls, American tourists

You guys are going to get me in trouble tangoing in this thread. 

[da_wench]

I may have to stick to the "Nat" forum -- the girls at "Caylee" are calling "45" year old guys - "ancient"!! 

Wreck...if that is what the posters think...then...that makes me a friccin' Mummy!....Des

Well men at 45 very well may be ancient, but not necessarily the women. 

[Blue Moon]

Hello Monkeys,

Thanks for having me on your great forum!
I`ve been reading here for about 1,5 yr now and was sometimes anxious to respond to your posts or answering questions made.

I`m pretty exited about the latest developments referring to the new(old witness) and am highly amazed Dutch media didn`t yet picked it up.

I have great confidence in Peter de Vries(he proved to have a big heart) and think PvdEem, although he has a criminal mind, did a great job help showing the real Joran and bring all attention back to the Natalee case.

Now up to the next step: PROVIDING JUSTICE TO NATALEE, NATALEE`S FAMILY and unravel the corrupt Aruban cover-up.

I love you all and be blessed . .

I LOVE that picture of Peter.  His look on his face sums it all up (also not bad on the eyes either).  His look says "Joran and Paulus, I WILL find out what you did.  He almost looks like he has a pretty good idea what happened during that program.

Thanks so much to all involved in getting this ball rolling:  Caps, Jossy, Des, Lala's, SS, Klaas, Red and the list goes on and on.  Justice for NATALEE.

[bastibro]

Goodnight Monkeys,
Its 1:22 in Amsterdam and i have to work tomorrow
Have a great evening!

[klaasend]

Goodnight Monkeys,
Its 1:22 in Amsterdam and i have to work tomorrow
Have a great evening!

Nite Bastibro

[Dayhiker]

I called Aruba right after this email reply to me....the excitement level is so thick you can cut it with a knife...when I said that Mos maybe had to change his underware after reading this article....after major laughs...I was told wail 'till after the next article in a few days....LOL

I was told that not much info could be given to me on the phone today...but they think I will be very happy with the news....when I asked if this was a joint effort between Holland and USA...there were more laughs...the good kind....and was told that what will happen is very big....

That's it for today....Destiny

Thanks Des! That's exactly what it's going to take Sistah! No way the Arubans will do it on their own.

[Dayhiker]

Goodnight Monkeys,
Its 1:22 in Amsterdam and i have to work tomorrow
Have a great evening!

Welcome aboard Bastibro. Good to have you with us!

[klaasend]

In Amigoe - through the google translator:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_46823.php



The juvenile is hopelessly outdated which young criminals can be punished only for serious offences.

Young almost criminal not to punish '
September 17, 2008, 14:00 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD - "If a 14 - or 15-year old kills someone, then it can not at this time of imprisonment be imposed". That is one of the shocking conclusions that representatives of the Public Prosecutor (OM), Probation, Youth and Vice Squad and Voogdijraad yesterday revealed in an interview that she is a 'hartenkreet' call to juvenile to be able to adequately address.

Sharina by Henriquez

The representatives of these four bodies sit in a monthly discussion - the Jeugdoverleg-young people who are stuck in which they discuss. They average five cases per month and about a year on average from 70 to 100 youngsters between the ages of 12 to 17 years with the judiciary have come into contact. These are not the mild cases, but often the heavier boys who have committed a serious crime or more offences in their name.
And the youngsters who commit crimes are heavier each year while Justice on the other side just because it may impose sanctions juvenile in more than eighty years has not been adjusted. The 'hartenkreet' Jeugdoverleg which now comes out is not so much motivated by a drastic increase in the number of young criminals, but the increasingly severe violations and crimes committed by youngsters without them there to be punished for money. "The sanctions we can impose are hopeless. We feel it every month in the Jeugdoverleg. The juvenile should really be adapted as soon as possible, "says Public Prosecutor, Frans van Deutekom.

Bendes
In the top six young people who commit offences, burglary top followed by increasingly ill-treatment involving a weapon is used. In this context, Jeugdoverleg also by the previous messages from the police confirmed that young people are increasingly being caught with firearms. At number three is overt violence, followed by destruction, healing and committing sexual offences. Van Deutekom, "If you go to the motives of young people watching who commit sexual offences, it appears that it is for boys who do not know their own limits. They have not explained how they got their girl must deal with. "
Zorgenpunt is also the problems that cause young people in groups. From the phenomenon of gangs of juvenile gangs as groups in the media, is not yet the case in Aruba, says Van Deutekom. "They are not organized with certain codes example where there is a ganglid be punished if he does not transgressed. They are groups of varying composition are around one or two main characters who are real criminals. "Also Seraida Pemberton-Leonard, coordinator of alternative penalties for the Probation does not speak of gangs because" the parents of young people in such a group are not recognize the word itself. They tell us that their daughter or son absolutely not a gang, but if we ask whether their children in a group which is in the district rondhangt, which does not recognize the parents'.
Pemberton-Leonard thinks that with the current developments towards the direction of juvenile gangs.


For all these negative developments times, it is therefore very important that initially the legal instruments to be modernized, stressed Van Deutekom. "There must be concrete as soon as possible imprisonment for 14 - and 15-year olds. That allows the law now. "Legally employee Yolanda Pronk, in charge of youth at the OM says it even sharper:" These young people may therefore at this time a citizen neersteken and forth freely. This seems to me not what the community wants. "

Public Prosecutor Van Deutekom explains that the juvenile criminal law applies to young people between 12 and 18 years. Young people below 12 years under the law can not be held criminally. The big problem is that in the current criminal law for other ages are almost no penalties. "There may be a fine of 90 florin be imposed. In addition, the court-tbr a criminal (available assertion of the government) to impose, but that never happens because there is no facility in Aruba where the juvenile can be imprisoned. Finally, an imprisonment be imposed, but this is linked to tbr. So the young must first undergo a tbr-sentence and then become the prison. But because a tbr-penalty imposed can not be, so you stand with empty hands. "
The law provides an exception, where the PPS in the absence of better, use it and that is that 16-year-olds and older adult criminal law should be applied. Van Deutekom: "This exception is intended for gifted people, but we are now forced to default because the juvenile no opportunity." OM has also still an alternative to a TOM-session involving not only the court officer Prosecutor young criminals a job or leerstraf may impose. This should the suspect or accept. Moreover, these alternative prosecution only if the young person has committed an offence in which a maximum penalty of three months unconditional imprisonment can be given. A TOM-session may also adversely hit by the suspect. "An alternative punishment is often heavier than the youthful decision to refer the matter to court them. This can only impose a penalty of 90 florin. It is also not that the PPS a heavier punishment than the court could impose. "

With this' hartenkreet 'hopes for and also the other participants of the Jeugdoverleg that the community as soon as possible the youth with the juvenile uitwas structural challenges. "The law must be changed, but only with repressive means we will get nowhere. There must come a jeugdopvang where young criminals can be treated with behavioural problems and if they come out further guidance. There are initiatives within the government, in schools to probleemjongeren to tackle, but these are all separate islands. Actually, Aruba has an integral youth needed, "concludes Van Deutekom.