Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[Rob]

thanks vms for grabbing that shot

Good Morning Rob...I tried to wake you in the wee hours...Us Oldies tend to sleep pretty soundly, sometimes...

yes, I saw that MUM....LOL I stayed up too late last night..

good morning

[Nut44x4]

WTF?  Didn't know what they were dealing with but they could arrest the security guards on MURDER charges?
Sorry, that is a bunch of BS.

You just don't understand their "system"!  You see, the guards were not Dutch --therefore culpable. 

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[Lala'sMom]

The documentary showed me again that the 'beachscenario' and all theories that have been connected to it, are total crap.
From day 1 Joran's behaviour contradicts this lying 'beachalibi'.
Behaviour is indivisible.

Joran's appartment was the crime scene.
Paulus wasn't at home that night till he came back at around 4.00am.
Deepak and Satish dropped the couple of at the VDSresidence around 1.40am and drove back to hooiberg [15 minutes drive].
Deepak logged on to his computer around 2.00am.

This 'new' witness is a liar.
Paulus wasn't involved in the disappearing of Natalee Holloway.
He had to cover up his own whereabouts that night.
And Joran and Valentijn knew where he was.
In a casino.

By now you all should know that psychology is a funny fair.
Joran loves it and as he stated:

'It doesn't matter anymore what I am saying but what I am saying is the truth'.

I thought the new witness claims to have seen Paulus and Joran in the jeep after 4 AM.  I don't think the witness claims Paulus is a killer...just that he first observed Joran walking wet and muddy and then later saw Joran in the red jeep with his father driving slowly down the street as if looking for something. 

Maybe I am talking about a different witness here...help!!!  i want to know if there is another witness I am not aware of. Thanks.

[Lala'sMom]

Paulus is also a smart guy by sending the key witness [involved in two alibi's] in this unsolved case away at a crucial moment.


 

So you are saying the 5th suspect was Paulus and indeed his own children were his alibi?  What about the party part?  I am confused, maybe you are not talking about the same thing as I am. 

[vms]

I know, Mum. I still say for sure either. 
Hope all is back to normal for you!

YW, Rob. I know I have seen a better video of Joran's welcome home gathering, I just haven't run across it again yet. I wonder if someone could get an actual copy of the pic from Jossy? I think that's where it came from in the A&E video...

Some of us have been searching for the actual video from that day, I believe it was Fox.  I would like to get some more looks at Fernando Vianna...and the blonde, probably Ms Akers.

New dish tomorrow, hope this one lasts till then, all else is as chaotic as normal...thanks

I could be WAY OFF but the thin lady with lighter hair looked kind of similar to the Gottenbos mother. I saw Vocking loading them in his car? at the prison so maybe it was his wife. I don't know...

I still can't type either so I'm back to lurk mode. 

[Nut44x4]

Nut...Are you here?...I need a mod, please...TIA

I AM here 1 more pg to go what need???

[MumInOhio]

I know, Mum. I still say for sure either. 
Hope all is back to normal for you!

YW, Rob. I know I have seen a better video of Joran's welcome home gathering, I just haven't run across it again yet. I wonder if someone could get an actual copy of the pic from Jossy? I think that's where it came from in the A&E video...

Some of us have been searching for the actual video from that day, I believe it was Fox.  I would like to get some more looks at Fernando Vianna...and the blonde, probably Ms Akers.

New dish tomorrow, hope this one lasts till then, all else is as chaotic as normal...thanks

I could be WAY OFF but the thin lady with lighter hair looked kind of similar to the Gottenbos mother. I saw Vocking loading them in his car? at the prison so maybe it was his wife. I don't know...

I still can't type either so I'm back to lurk mode. 

LOL...On the typing...did you see my pre-coffee posts this morning?

I don't recall what the Gottenbos woman looks like...Interesting....thanks, but please don't lurk!

[Lala'sMom]

Good morning Mum,

Same lady I was wondering about before?

Thanks VMS for the pic...you are better at that than I am.

[MumInOhio]

Nut...Are you here?...I need a mod, please...TIA

I AM here 1 more pg to go what need???

Need an edit or two in Musings...I will meet you there to point our where...private stuff...thanks....

[Rob]

just looked at the casino footage from last night. I was wrong - there is nothing new there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFb8R2tkkk

3:08 mark

I thought I saw "older man with glasses" lean forward a bit more, but it did not happen.

I have also noticed a few minor errors.

Apparently Bill Kurtis implies that Joran meets Natalee in the casino for the first time. But, some of the other kids had already known him and one kid had been in a fight with him previously.

So, maybe Natalee did meet Joran for the first time right then, but others had already known him. It seems that Natalee never met Joran before, that seems to have been confirmed, just that Beau and a few others were already familiar with him.

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Dolph has done one other interview, and that was for the Dutch Re-enactment. Not much of an interview, but more of a scripted act preformed on the beach.

[vms]

I know, Mum. I still say for sure either. 
Hope all is back to normal for you!

YW, Rob. I know I have seen a better video of Joran's welcome home gathering, I just haven't run across it again yet. I wonder if someone could get an actual copy of the pic from Jossy? I think that's where it came from in the A&E video...

Some of us have been searching for the actual video from that day, I believe it was Fox.  I would like to get some more looks at Fernando Vianna...and the blonde, probably Ms Akers.

New dish tomorrow, hope this one lasts till then, all else is as chaotic as normal...thanks

I could be WAY OFF but the thin lady with lighter hair looked kind of similar to the Gottenbos mother. I saw Vocking loading them in his car? at the prison so maybe it was his wife. I don't know...

I still can't type either so I'm back to lurk mode. 

LOL...On the typing...did you see my pre-coffee posts this morning?

I don't recall what the Gottenbos woman looks like...Interesting....thanks, but please don't lurk!

[nell]

 besides plenty of red tees there are also plenty of red jeeps or red jeep-like vehicles, red must be aruba's official color,after all is  A) ruba

[Lala'sMom]

just looked at the casino footage from last night. I was wrong - there is nothing new there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFb8R2tkkk

3:08 mark

I thought I saw "older man with glasses" lean forward a bit more, but it did not happen.

I have also noticed a few minor errors.

Apparently Bill Kurtis implies that Joran meets Natalee in the casino for the first time. But, some of the other kids had already known him and one kid had been in a fight with him previously.

So, maybe Natalee did meet Joran for the first time right then, but others had already known him. It seems that Natalee never met Joran before, that seems to have been confirmed, just that Beau and a few others were already familiar with him.

+++

Dolph has done one other interview, and that was for the Dutch Re-enactment. Not much of an interview, but more of a scripted act preformed on the beach.

I have thought that also...here's why...remember in the casino video when the older man sitting next to Natalee points to Joran and says something?  Then Natalee points to him as if saying "he's your son? or oh really?"  I think that is the first time Natalee actually knew who Joran was.  I am confused a little because I thought even Beth said Natalee had met Joran earlier...hmmmm.

You do get a clear picture of the older man's body...he's kinda thin looking to be van der Straaten as some here have thought.  I almost doubted for a second it was not Paulus sitting there when I saw that part...just for a second.  Then I came to senses. LOL

[Nut44x4]

besides plenty of red tees there are also plenty of red jeeps or red jeep-like vehicles, red must be aruba's official color,after all is  A) ruba

Red is the color of blood on their hands......

[MumInOhio]

just looked at the casino footage from last night. I was wrong - there is nothing new there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFb8R2tkkk

3:08 mark

I thought I saw "older man with glasses" lean forward a bit more, but it did not happen.

I have also noticed a few minor errors.

Apparently Bill Kurtis implies that Joran meets Natalee in the casino for the first time. But, some of the other kids had already known him and one kid had been in a fight with him previously.

So, maybe Natalee did meet Joran for the first time right then, but others had already known him. It seems that Natalee never met Joran before, that seems to have been confirmed, just that Beau and a few others were already familiar with him.

+++

Dolph has done one other interview, and that was for the Dutch Re-enactment. Not much of an interview, but more of a scripted act preformed on the beach.

Rob...I thought van der Straten said they met before and I think there are MB student statements that say the same thing.  IIRC it was on the Saturday.

[MumInOhio]

I know, Mum. I still say for sure either. 
Hope all is back to normal for you!

YW, Rob. I know I have seen a better video of Joran's welcome home gathering, I just haven't run across it again yet. I wonder if someone could get an actual copy of the pic from Jossy? I think that's where it came from in the A&E video...

Some of us have been searching for the actual video from that day, I believe it was Fox.  I would like to get some more looks at Fernando Vianna...and the blonde, probably Ms Akers.

New dish tomorrow, hope this one lasts till then, all else is as chaotic as normal...thanks

I could be WAY OFF but the thin lady with lighter hair looked kind of similar to the Gottenbos mother. I saw Vocking loading them in his car? at the prison so maybe it was his wife. I don't know...

I still can't type either so I'm back to lurk mode. 

LOL...On the typing...did you see my pre-coffee posts this morning?

I don't recall what the Gottenbos woman looks like...Interesting....thanks, but please don't lurk!

Thanks vms...Attractive woman...takes a nice picture. I don't recall ever seeing her before.

[Blonde]

I am looking  in my photos for a picture of a camera crew with Max and a few others anyone remember this?

[BUCKSHOT]

A tidbit from the show last night, that I had not heard before(very insignificant)...

Crab trap was not located in the huts (themselves), but instead, it was located outside of the huts on the ground...

Would have made for easy access by whoever used/stole it...If it were used...

[Nut44x4]

Correct...somewhere there is a video that shows the location behind the hut.

[Blonde]