Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[klaasend]

Capslock - do not feel obligated to answer anyones questions here.  Might not be a good idea right now.

[KYcat]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

Natalee DOES represent everybody's girl -- and Aruba has spit on the whole USA. That is what angers me most.

Me too.

DAMN RIGHT

[Dayhiker]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

I think when all is said and done we will find out our government was involved in helping.

[klaasend]

Caps - mbox

[KYcat]

Capslock - do not feel obligated to answer anyones questions here.  Might not be a good idea right now.

You are SO RIGHT Klass.  The current mood is:  MAD AS HELL

[texasmom]

I STILL can't help but wonder if this was not what I read that Kalpoe's HAD to wash off the car because if someone saw it they would know where they had been....

I think that the Kalpoe washed the car becuase after MATTY, his car was used to move the body, all went to the sloot home and from there after they give instructions to the  Kalpoes what to say if question by the authorities the next day...all got instruction around the pool that night at paules home.

After Kalpoes Left, the Babylonians (Paules in the Jeep, Frans Deutekom and van Straten in his Black Blazer, Vonking and Joran in Gray honda) deside to despose of the body since they are the Authority and can sing any tune in this case.

In which car was Natalee after was moved to the pond?. the gray honda.

Joran and Ben king wich also has dirtyfeed helped Joran to carry her to the pond. From this site, Vonking left leaving Joran alone at the pond and in the act of desposing the body.

When Joran came out from the pond, he was dirty and can't go home and was looking for the Jeep but the jeep was not there.

the jeep could not be over the soccer field since the honda just left and there are 2 guard on the other side of the street. watching the 2 banks. so he had no other choice to use the scondary road and run and walk till he can find where the road merges with the main road were his father came to pick him up near Mcdonalds and from there they went back home.

CAPS

Caps, I like your thinking. It certainly explains why so many powerful people on Aruba, from government to to law enforcement to judiciary, fought for the Van der Sloots for so long, even at the total ruination of their island's economy and image. But then, I doubt these people really care about Aruba, they only care about their selfish interests.

[KYcat]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

I think when all is said and done we will find out our government was involved in helping.

Do we not have anyone that is not corrupt that can actually throw the GUILTY away for life?
Trying to calm down.... not easy.

[LoRain]

I wish there was something I could say or do to make it better...

[Slogger]

Carefully planned.

They never expected what came next.  Always thinking two more weeks and it will end.

You are so right Slogger. They never looked at the long range harm they were doing to themselves. They were always caught up in the minute trying to move a mountain with a teaspoon. Some of the things they did, like the arrest of the black security guards, are so transparent and amaturish that you really have to say they were out of their league. They are the hicks of the Caribbean.

Yup, any number of people wearing the "Emperor's New Clothes."

The only, ONLY comfort for the family would be that while they were frantically searching . . . . it was already too late.  Any regrets that they had about not looking one place, or did they do enough quickly enough . . . are slightly soothed.

There was nothing they could do to save Natalee.  A small comfort, but it is a comfort.

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps - where were the rest of the party-goers?  At what point did Natalee die?  Did she die in the Matty Apts.?

The fight, the sex film , the rape, the killing happend at matty.

the party goers ran away but all got called in for questioning. and record clean-up

this goes for the Gray honda. when they took the gray honda was not for forensic but to clean it up....

all who was involved was called in ..and who ever did not cooperate, got either a tast of jail time or got paid to shut up and ship out.

This case can not be seen that OM did not do any thing. They had to leave open ended issues to make it look like they were investigating and we call it a patch but if we applied reverse engeneering method, you can see that I they never said that there was a group gang bang but left it open. The reason we know about of the others are that some ex FBI hot shot let it out in the news and from there they called all one by one not for questioning but to secure that the case will not come to light.

[KYcat]

Does anyone here know international law???  'Cause I was just wondering if it was written in there that a foreign country could murder a tourtist and it was OK.  Life goes on as usual?

[LoRain]

Capslock - do not feel obligated to answer anyones questions here.  Might not be a good idea right now.

I'm sorry....it's just a name that I have that doesn't really have anything to do with all this discussion here lately...I would just like to be able to either put it to rest or keep trying to figure this person out....it's not directly related to the discussion lately....

[Frijole]

They planned it all so carefully, but they did not anticipate Beth.
As Joran said to Patrick:  "That mother....she just wouldn't go away."

So true.

Hi all!  Just chiming in to agree with you here... you got me thinking just how critical it was that Beth got on that private plane and got there as QUICKLY as she did.  Getting to the hotel in time to check the tapes and identifying Joran within hours.  GENIOUS.  The elders must have been sheeting bricks. God Bless Beth and the entire family for all they have endured.

[wreck]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

I think when all is said and done we will find out our government was involved in helping.

I know that has been my belief. If I'm wrong -- I will be infuriated (to say the least)!!!!

[CapsLockWizard]

Lalas, no one mad, not me.  I think you are probably right.  I just literally got sick.  I don't know as much about this case as you and others that have worked so hard to find justice for Natalee but I have always held out hope that she would be found and justice done.  I can't even think about this not happening. 

Everyone moves so fast on here, I can't keep up.  I just read CAPS post also.  I am stunned.  Everything is coming together and making sense now.  BUt it is still so unbelievable that this coverup happened.  A country's reputation ruined.  A family's life shattered.  A beautiful and innocent girl's life taken, future ended before it started.   ARUBA - this question is for you  -- WAS IT WORTH IT?

 

there was an other motive behind this what i called on opprtunity to break the dominad tourist bussiness of Aruba. The dutch after the death of Natalee have come out in force to develop their product and so trying to break the AHATA (There is a political gain and a financial loss to the American business. Snago talk alot of TEEPES

[San]

They planned it all so carefully, but they did not anticipate Beth.
As Joran said to Patrick:  "That mother....she just wouldn't go away."

So true.

Hi all!  Just chiming in to agree with you here... you got me thinking just how critical it was that Beth got on that private plane and got there as QUICKLY as she did.  Getting to the hotel in time to check the tapes and identifying Joran within hours.  GENIOUS.  The elders must have been sheeting bricks. God Bless Beth and the entire family for all they have endured.

Yes and Paulus' question to Beth was how did you get here to fast.  She f@#ked up their plans.

[Dayhiker]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

I think when all is said and done we will find out our government was involved in helping.

Do we not have anyone that is not corrupt that can actually throw the GUILTY away for life?
Trying to calm down.... not easy.

There is nobody in the government on Aruba that will ever do anything. It is an incestuos system with all branches so intertwined they are totally dusfunctional. Any justice will have to come from the US and Holland. Aruba is broken and cannot fix itself.

[KYcat]

Lalas, no one mad, not me.  I think you are probably right.  I just literally got sick.  I don't know as much about this case as you and others that have worked so hard to find justice for Natalee but I have always held out hope that she would be found and justice done.  I can't even think about this not happening. 

Everyone moves so fast on here, I can't keep up.  I just read CAPS post also.  I am stunned.  Everything is coming together and making sense now.  BUt it is still so unbelievable that this coverup happened.  A country's reputation ruined.  A family's life shattered.  A beautiful and innocent girl's life taken, future ended before it started.   ARUBA - this question is for you  -- WAS IT WORTH IT?

 

there was an other motive behind this what i called on opprtunity to break the dominad tourist bussiness of Aruba. The dutch after the death of Natalee have come out in force to develop their product and so trying to break the AHATA (There is a political gain and a financial loss to the American business. Snago talk alot of TEEPES

CAPS  --  you just answered the million dollar question.

[klaasend]

Capslock - do not feel obligated to answer anyones questions here.  Might not be a good idea right now.

I'm sorry....it's just a name that I have that doesn't really have anything to do with all this discussion here lately...I would just like to be able to either put it to rest or keep trying to figure this person out....it's not directly related to the discussion lately....

If the name you have doesn't pertain to the NH case then for what purpose could you want to know if Caps knows this person?  I can only think of one reason and that's to identify who Caps is. 

[Helen Back]

I STILL can't help but wonder if this was not what I read that Kalpoe's HAD to wash off the car because if someone saw it they would know where they had been....

I think that the Kalpoe washed the car becuase after MATTY, his car was used to move the body, all went to the sloot home and from there after they give instructions to the  Kalpoes what to say if question by the authorities the next day...all got instruction around the pool that night at paules home.

After Kalpoes Left, the Babylonians (Paules in the Jeep, Frans Deutekom and van Straten in his Black Blazer, Vonking and Joran in Gray honda) deside to despose of the body since they are the Authority and can sing any tune in this case.

In which car was Natalee after was moved to the pond?. the gray honda.

Joran and Ben king wich also has dirtyfeed helped Joran to carry her to the pond. From this site, Vonking left leaving Joran alone at the pond and in the act of desposing the body.

When Joran came out from the pond, he was dirty and can't go home and was looking for the Jeep but the jeep was not there.

the jeep could not be over the soccer field since the honda just left and there are 2 guard on the other side of the street. watching the 2 banks. so he had no other choice to use the scondary road and run and walk till he can find where the road merges with the main road were his father came to pick him up near Mcdonalds and from there they went back home.

CAPS

Good evening everyone,

Haven't posted in a long time, but read and stay strong every day. 

It's all coming together now, and all the "loose ends" are starting to make some sense.  I believe there will finally be justice for Natalee and her loved ones, and the corrupt government of Aruba is crumbling. 

I have to say, "Great Work Caps, Jossy, and all the monkeys who work so hard and keep the faith."

I am filled with gratitude for you all.

Peace for Natalee, her loved ones, and for us.

Helen Back