Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[Poochy]

Help me here---

Paulus timeline...                              
until 8p... Poker tournament                              
830p-1100a...Home w/Two kids
1100p-ish...Pick up Joran from McD
1130p-200a-ish...Home sleeping
200a-700a-ish...Out and about

Joran timeline...
until 11p-ish...Poker tournament
1100p-1130p...Home getting ready for CnC
1130p-130a...On way/at CnC
130a-700a... (???????????????)
700a...On bus stop-not near house.

Some have suggested Paulus was in casino all night...Does this mean he left at 200am upon receiving call...Does this mean no pick-up of Joran at 11pm?

I tend to think it was a normal Sunday evening for Paulus...Play a little poker to be with son...Go check on two kids to ready for school without Anita...Pick up Joran at 1130p...Watch TV and fall asleep...Get a middle of the night call from Joran who snuck out and needed help due to an emergency situation...

OR... I could be completely wrong. Paulus may never have made it home...Joran never would have had to sneak out...Paulus could have left from Casino to rescue his son at 2am.

Any thoughts....

Buckshot - I think Paulass might have taken Urine home at 11:00 and then returned to the casino.  Anita was gone and he was on the prowl and feeding his gambling habit.  I don't think that Urine had to sneak out of the house.  He went home to change his clothes and then went back out with the Alpoe brothers to find their victim.  I don't think that Paulass was even concerned about where his boys were that night.  He was doing his own thing.

Please take a look at the SECOND PIC on this site:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

It can't possibly be Paulus so maybe it is Jan vdStraten?

See the pic here http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_41.jpg

while hard to map, it is evident from the ca$ino videos that Joran knew this 'man' sitting to Natalee's left as we can see Joran talking to this person. Is this person Jan Van der Straten? Is he 'dirtyhand' who left anonymous and returned to 'babylon'?

[KYcat]

Caps -- on a lighter note-- I love your new avi!!  Cowboys?  Looking for Natalee?

I pray they find her. 

 

Remembr the movie name

Oh CAPS!  I had to come out of lurk-mode to comment on this!!!!!!
Its my all-time-favorite movie: TOMBSTONE!

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Wyatt Earp: All right, Clanton... you called down the thunder, well now you've got it!

Wyatt Earp: So run, .....RUN! Tell all the other the law's comin'!
[shouts]

Wyatt Earp: You tell 'em I'M coming... and hell's coming with me, you hear?...

[louder]
Wyatt Earp: Hell's coming with me!

 

ocgirl

 

[BUCKSHOT]

I STILL can't help but wonder if this was not what I read that Kalpoe's HAD to wash off the car because if someone saw it they would know where they had been....

I think that the Kalpoe washed the car becuase after MATTY, his car was used to move the body, all went to the sloot home and from there after they give instructions to the  Kalpoes what to say if question by the authorities the next day...all got instruction around the pool that night at paules home.

After Kalpoes Left, the Babylonians (Paules in the Jeep, Frans Deutekom and van Straten in his Black Blazer, Vonking and Joran in Gray honda) deside to despose of the body since they are the Authority and can sing any tune in this case.

In which car was Natalee after was moved to the pond?. the gray honda.

Joran and Ben king wich also has dirtyfeed helped Joran to carry her to the pond. From this site, Vonking left leaving Joran alone at the pond and in the act of desposing the body.

When Joran came out from the pond, he was dirty and can't go home and was looking for the Jeep but the jeep was not there.

the jeep could not be over the soccer field since the honda just left and there are 2 guard on the other side of the street. watching the 2 banks. so he had no other choice to use the scondary road and run and walk till he can find where the road merges with the main road were his father came to pick him up near Mcdonalds and from there they went back home.

CAPS

Joran and Ben king wich also has dirtyfeed helped Joran to carry her to the pond.
Two questions come to my mind...
(1) Would this old man be hauling a deceased body down to a pond with Joran?
(2) Was Vocking already in town or lives there and is always in town?

MATTY
Does everyone feel certian that a party took place here? Sure fits in...

Rock scene...Have always wondered...CRIME SCENE OR RED HERRING?

[billb's daughter]

Caps -- on a lighter note-- I love your new avi!!  Cowboys?  Looking for Natalee?

I pray they find her. 

 

Remembr the movie name

Sundown at Tombstone??

[BUCKSHOT]

When I first read the highly anticipated Part 2, I will have to admit that I was a liitle bit let down as I thought more tidbits would be exposed.

However, each piece gets us closer to the truth...

Additionally...Very courageous to step forward...

The international community must keep the heat on...And SM will be fuel to keep the fire lit. Aruba quivers at the thought that truth may shine through the incredibly immoral, ruthless, callous, unprofessional, corrupt (add more adjectives) manner in which they handled this case...

[Blue Moon]

DTKM? Refresh me...Who is this???

Frans van Duetekom...the behaviour specialist

Caps, does a video tape exist and if so is this what Paulus came to the U.S. (Florida) for early on in the case?

[KYcat]

Help me here---

Paulus timeline...                              
until 8p... Poker tournament                              
830p-1100a...Home w/Two kids
1100p-ish...Pick up Joran from McD
1130p-200a-ish...Home sleeping
200a-700a-ish...Out and about

Joran timeline...
until 11p-ish...Poker tournament
1100p-1130p...Home getting ready for CnC
1130p-130a...On way/at CnC
130a-700a... (???????????????)
700a...On bus stop-not near house.

Some have suggested Paulus was in casino all night...Does this mean he left at 200am upon receiving call...Does this mean no pick-up of Joran at 11pm?

I tend to think it was a normal Sunday evening for Paulus...Play a little poker to be with son...Go check on two kids to ready for school without Anita...Pick up Joran at 1130p...Watch TV and fall asleep...Get a middle of the night call from Joran who snuck out and needed help due to an emergency situation...

OR... I could be completely wrong. Paulus may never have made it home...Joran never would have had to sneak out...Paulus could have left from Casino to rescue his son at 2am.

Any thoughts....

Buckshot - I think Paulass might have taken Urine home at 11:00 and then returned to the casino.  Anita was gone and he was on the prowl and feeding his gambling habit.  I don't think that Urine had to sneak out of the house.  He went home to change his clothes and then went back out with the Alpoe brothers to find their victim.  I don't think that Paulass was even concerned about where his boys were that night.  He was doing his own thing.

Please take a look at the SECOND PIC on this site:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

It can't possibly be Paulus so maybe it is Jan vdStraten?

See the pic here http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_41.jpg

while hard to map, it is evident from the ca$ino videos that Joran knew this 'man' sitting to Natalee's left as we can see Joran talking to this person. Is this person Jan Van der Straten? Is he 'dirtyhand' who left anonymous and returned to 'babylon'?

I am confused as to why this cannot be Sweatyman.  In my opinion it is definitely him. 
 

[BUCKSHOT]

Help me here---

Paulus timeline...                              
until 8p... Poker tournament                              
830p-1100a...Home w/Two kids
1100p-ish...Pick up Joran from McD
1130p-200a-ish...Home sleeping
200a-700a-ish...Out and about

Joran timeline...
until 11p-ish...Poker tournament
1100p-1130p...Home getting ready for CnC
1130p-130a...On way/at CnC
130a-700a... (???????????????)
700a...On bus stop-not near house.

Some have suggested Paulus was in casino all night...Does this mean he left at 200am upon receiving call...Does this mean no pick-up of Joran at 11pm?

I tend to think it was a normal Sunday evening for Paulus...Play a little poker to be with son...Go check on two kids to ready for school without Anita...Pick up Joran at 1130p...Watch TV and fall asleep...Get a middle of the night call from Joran who snuck out and needed help due to an emergency situation...

OR... I could be completely wrong. Paulus may never have made it home...Joran never would have had to sneak out...Paulus could have left from Casino to rescue his son at 2am.

Any thoughts....

Buckshot - I think Paulass might have taken Urine home at 11:00 and then returned to the casino.  Anita was gone and he was on the prowl and feeding his gambling habit.  I don't think that Urine had to sneak out of the house.  He went home to change his clothes and then went back out with the Alpoe brothers to find their victim.  I don't think that Paulass was even concerned about where his boys were that night.  He was doing his own thing.

Please take a look at the SECOND PIC on this site:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

It can't possibly be Paulus so maybe it is Jan vdStraten?

See the pic here http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_41.jpg

while hard to map, it is evident from the ca$ino videos that Joran knew this 'man' sitting to Natalee's left as we can see Joran talking to this person. Is this person Jan Van der Straten? Is he 'dirtyhand' who left anonymous and returned to 'babylon'?

SS - Good points. Can totally see your scenario as well and would fit with other pieces outlined by CAPS...

Poochy - That mystery man...The million dollar question...

[KYcat]

DTKM? Refresh me...Who is this???

Frans van Duetekom...the behaviour specialist

Caps, does a video tape exist and if so is this what Paulus came to the U.S. (Florida) for early on in the case?

Good to see you Blue Moon.  The video tape... can you refresh my memory... who had the movie? 

[Ono]

There has got to be a way for USA to do something.  The arubans have made up shiiiiiiiiiit as they went along to suit them.........why can't we??  Loophole???   Come on feds, go over there and kick their lying muderous azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!   PLEASE>>

Natalee represents everybodys girl.  I take this very personally.
 

Natalee DOES represent everybody's girl -- and Aruba has spit on the whole USA. That is what angers me most.

And played us all for fools while insulting us right & left.  Grrr...very hard to stomach.

[Blue Moon]

DTKM? Refresh me...Who is this???

Frans van Duetekom...the behaviour specialist

Caps, does a video tape exist and if so is this what Paulus came to the U.S. (Florida) for early on in the case?

Good to see you Blue Moon.  The video tape... can you refresh my memory... who had the movie? 

Early on in the case Paulus came to Florida with the excuse he had to get his money back on Joran's school.  I think it was speculated that he came to retrieve a video that had been uploaded that night from Aruba.

[LoRain]

Capslock - do not feel obligated to answer anyones questions here.  Might not be a good idea right now.

I'm sorry....it's just a name that I have that doesn't really have anything to do with all this discussion here lately...I would just like to be able to either put it to rest or keep trying to figure this person out....it's not directly related to the discussion lately....

If the name you have doesn't pertain to the NH case then for what purpose could you want to know if Caps knows this person?  I can only think of one reason and that's to identify who Caps is. 

Now please don't start jumping to conclusions....I don't care who CAPS is as long as he's/she's trying to solve the case...

Yes the name has to do with the case...just not the discussion....or should I say topic...that is going on now...

I can't say much more because I don't want to discuss it on the boards....that's all I can say....take it how you want to....

Would you be referring to the mystery man, Reality?

LOL...I don't think so....he's no mystery is he?...

[Miss Scarlet]

DTKM? Refresh me...Who is this???

Deutekom = Dirty Hand

Frans Deutekom ??

yep

Somehow I missed knowing Frans official function / capacity.  What is it? 

tia

[Miss Scarlet]

Think "Hans and Frans" 

Kind of like Fric and Frac.

Idiots!

[Poochy]

Help me here---

Paulus timeline...                              
until 8p... Poker tournament                              
830p-1100a...Home w/Two kids
1100p-ish...Pick up Joran from McD
1130p-200a-ish...Home sleeping
200a-700a-ish...Out and about

Joran timeline...
until 11p-ish...Poker tournament
1100p-1130p...Home getting ready for CnC
1130p-130a...On way/at CnC
130a-700a... (???????????????)
700a...On bus stop-not near house.

Some have suggested Paulus was in casino all night...Does this mean he left at 200am upon receiving call...Does this mean no pick-up of Joran at 11pm?

I tend to think it was a normal Sunday evening for Paulus...Play a little poker to be with son...Go check on two kids to ready for school without Anita...Pick up Joran at 1130p...Watch TV and fall asleep...Get a middle of the night call from Joran who snuck out and needed help due to an emergency situation...

OR... I could be completely wrong. Paulus may never have made it home...Joran never would have had to sneak out...Paulus could have left from Casino to rescue his son at 2am.

Any thoughts....

Buckshot - I think Paulass might have taken Urine home at 11:00 and then returned to the casino.  Anita was gone and he was on the prowl and feeding his gambling habit.  I don't think that Urine had to sneak out of the house.  He went home to change his clothes and then went back out with the Alpoe brothers to find their victim.  I don't think that Paulass was even concerned about where his boys were that night.  He was doing his own thing.

Please take a look at the SECOND PIC on this site:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

It can't possibly be Paulus so maybe it is Jan vdStraten?

See the pic here http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_41.jpg

while hard to map, it is evident from the ca$ino videos that Joran knew this 'man' sitting to Natalee's left as we can see Joran talking to this person. Is this person Jan Van der Straten? Is he 'dirtyhand' who left anonymous and returned to 'babylon'?

I am confused as to why this cannot be Sweatyman.  In my opinion it is definitely him. 
 

Sorry, ain't goin' into it.

If you see the 2nd pic and you still say this is 'Sweatyman', then I say you're on this board to dish out dis-info.

It is CLEARLY NOT PAULUS - the 2nd pic that is.
And IMHO it looks like Jan vdStraten.

--The Pooch

[BUCKSHOT]

Any pics of Duetekom?
Any pics of Vocking?

May need to add them to the Who's Who thread, if available...

[BUCKSHOT]

The question now is...

How will everything play out now, in light of this new info...

[wreck]

Help me here---

Paulus timeline...                              
until 8p... Poker tournament                              
830p-1100a...Home w/Two kids
1100p-ish...Pick up Joran from McD
1130p-200a-ish...Home sleeping
200a-700a-ish...Out and about

Joran timeline...
until 11p-ish...Poker tournament
1100p-1130p...Home getting ready for CnC
1130p-130a...On way/at CnC
130a-700a... (???????????????)
700a...On bus stop-not near house.

Some have suggested Paulus was in casino all night...Does this mean he left at 200am upon receiving call...Does this mean no pick-up of Joran at 11pm?

I tend to think it was a normal Sunday evening for Paulus...Play a little poker to be with son...Go check on two kids to ready for school without Anita...Pick up Joran at 1130p...Watch TV and fall asleep...Get a middle of the night call from Joran who snuck out and needed help due to an emergency situation...

OR... I could be completely wrong. Paulus may never have made it home...Joran never would have had to sneak out...Paulus could have left from Casino to rescue his son at 2am.

Any thoughts....

Buckshot - I think Paulass might have taken Urine home at 11:00 and then returned to the casino.  Anita was gone and he was on the prowl and feeding his gambling habit.  I don't think that Urine had to sneak out of the house.  He went home to change his clothes and then went back out with the Alpoe brothers to find their victim.  I don't think that Paulass was even concerned about where his boys were that night.  He was doing his own thing.

Please take a look at the SECOND PIC on this site:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

It can't possibly be Paulus so maybe it is Jan vdStraten?

See the pic here http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_41.jpg

while hard to map, it is evident from the ca$ino videos that Joran knew this 'man' sitting to Natalee's left as we can see Joran talking to this person. Is this person Jan Van der Straten? Is he 'dirtyhand' who left anonymous and returned to 'babylon'?

I am confused as to why this cannot be Sweatyman.  In my opinion it is definitely him. 
 

Sorry, ain't goin' into it.

If you see the 2nd pic and you still say this is 'Sweatyman', then I say you're on this board to dish out dis-info.

It is CLEARLY NOT PAULUS - the 2nd pic that is.
And IMHO it looks like Jan vdStraten.

--The Pooch

Well, say what you will -- but, I just can't say one way or another. The "second" pic admittedly looks weird, but it could just be Paulus' glasses making it appear to be a different person. Paulus wears those glasses that get darker according to the light. As for it being Van der Stratten -- I don't see that myself.

[always 1]

good nite Wreck.

[wreck]

good nite Wreck.

Goodnight A-1! (Are you going to bed -- or are you making me?  )