Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[johan555]

Why was not Paul arrested?
Is mos Not  interested ?
The dutch/usa  media didn't pick up the news yet , i don't know why 

[johan555]

Here is it possible to make some promotion for Aruba 

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1156527/5/25#61725540

[johan555]

Trolls from aruba 

Especialy their son Dennis Oosterwaal, on fok (as Heiden 6) ,he writes terrible things about Beth
Their son Stefan Oosterwaal, is a student at the Faculty of Tourism Aruba
They are located in front of the HI Aruba

Roberto's watersport


New Year’s Breakfast Toast!
 Arts & Culture     January 23rd, 2008
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With the start of the new year, the Faculty of Tourism Studies at the University of Aruba recognized and awarded several students with a special certificate for academic excellence. During the annual ‘New Year’s Breakfast Toast’, Dean Peterson wished all students a happy and healthy new year filled with serenity, wisdom, courage and a good sense of humor. Part of the New Year’s Breakfast Toast was to celebrate the academic achievements of a select group of students with grade point averages (GPA) over 3.50.

Students that made the final list include Godelieve Olibrice, Juan Carlos Solis, Oslin Briesen, Juan Pena, Gina Gonzalez, Maria Teresa Rios, Christine Dammers, Marielle Lacle, Diana Croeze, Stefan Oosterwaal, Rocio Burgos, Raymondt Pimienta, Carolina Raven, Carlos Terranova, and Milagros Yarasca.

Ms. Diana Herrera was awarded best academic semester performance with a GPA of 4.00, thereby enlisting her on the distinguished President’s List. The Faculty of Tourism Studies congratulates all students with their achievements, and wishes them a productive year as they set out to conquer their dreams

[SS]

I was trying back then so hard to understand and something about Papiamento tickled my brain I finally figured it out, much of the words are phonetic spanish/portuguese, just put together differently. I was learning to read!

I read about Jan van der Straaten, Supercop he was called.

Cop? Supercop my toadly arse in retrospect. He knew the first day what became of Natalee and for Paul, Jan covered it up like crap in a catbox.

Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Not for Aruba.

For Paul.

Grannytoad - I love your humor.

[SS]

Why was not Paul arrested?
Is mos Not  interested ?
The dutch/usa  media didn't pick up the news yet , i don't know why 

Johan - are the Dutch showing any interest at all in what is happening in Aruba right now?  They jumped on the news about Urine skinny-dipping in Thailand, but what about this breaking news?  Is there anything that we can do to rally these news agencies?

[johan555]

Nothing at all ss
I have send this to the telegraaf and other newspapers ,but no reaction @ all
when someone  send a fake pic it is on the frontpage the next day !
I have the idea that Mos have send a press release that this witness is not reliable.i will check that !
I do not know what is going on

[johan555]

this pic was on the frontpage
Hilde Zwijnenberg took it and i called her twice and i asked her if i can buy some other pics for a magazine 
She told me it is not Joran and that she took the pic in thailand 3 weeks earlier


"the pic "

[Jonathan45]

For me this 'new' witness isn't a 'reliable' one until we find out the exact date, when he came forward in 2007. His 'motive' to become a witness in this case  after two years is crap.
I placed him in the greyzone cause of Paulus role.

Some important questions ?

 Could Paulus if he was in the HI Excelsior casino that Sundayevening, also later on have been in the Wyndhamhotel casino the night Natalee vanished after he brought Joran back home to babysit ?
On Tuesdayafternoon Paulus was in the lobby of the HI. Beth saw him there.
Was he only checking Joran's lying alibi [ dead video] or also his own [footage] alibi ?
Could there be another until now 'anonymous' casino player in the Excelsior or the Wyndham or the Radisson casino, who is also working for the Justice department on Aruba ?
Dirty Hand perhaps ? Or Ben Vocking, Paulus friend, who had also a steering role on crucial moments [[ search VDSresidence]  ? Or judge de Wit ? Or .... ?

[natalfan]

Caps do you think that there is a loge on Aruba ?  or a Grootloge ?

vrijmetselarij loge ?

de groote ooste splits in 2 in aruba , the sol naciente and the king salomon.

both are in aruba. but the key question is who control them and who give them orders...

the grandmaster is in Holland?  Google for drs. J.D. van Rossum?

[wreck]

For me this 'new' witness isn't a 'reliable' one until we find out the exact date, when he came forward in 2007. His 'motive' to become a witness in this case  after two years is crap.
I placed him in the greyzone cause of Paulus role.

Some important questions ?

 Could Paulus if he was in the HI Excelsior casino that Sundayevening, also later on have been in the Wyndhamhotel casino the night Natalee vanished after he brought Joran back home to babysit ?
On Tuesdayafternoon Paulus was in the lobby of the HI. Beth saw him there.
Was he only checking Joran's lying alibi [ dead video] or also his own [footage] alibi ?
Could there be another until now 'anonymous' casino player in the Excelsior or the Wyndham or the Radisson casino, who is also working for the Justice department on Aruba ?
Dirty Hand perhaps ? Or Ben Vocking, Paulus friend, who had also a steering role on crucial moments [[ search VDSresidence]  ? Or judge de Wit ? Or .... ?

Welcome Jonathon! I respect your opinions -- many of them re-posted here at SM. I agree 100% that any and all "witnesses" in this case must be vetted -- but in this case it sounds like he has been thorougly checked-out. He has passed SEVERAL polygraphs here in the U.S. . I guess I don't follow you -- it sounds to me his story coincides with Paulus (and his friends) being directly involved. On another note, could you elaborate on the "shin bone" you claimed you had in your possession?

[johan555]

Caps do you think that there is a loge on Aruba ?  or a Grootloge ?

vrijmetselarij loge ?

de groote ooste splits in 2 in aruba , the sol naciente and the king salomon.

both are in aruba. but the key question is who control them and who give them orders...

the grandmaster is in Holland?  Google for drs. J.D. van Rossum?

[natalfan]

Caps do you think that there is a loge on Aruba ?  or a Grootloge ?

vrijmetselarij loge ?

de groote ooste splits in 2 in aruba , the sol naciente and the king salomon.

both are in aruba. but the key question is who control them and who give them orders...

the grandmaster is in Holland?  Google for drs. J.D. van Rossum?

[
/quote]

johan look for his profession and think maybe "den dolder

[Nut44x4]

DIARIO Aruba
7/21/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Competent authorities decided that Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Janssen must travel to The Netherlands. According to sources it deals with an urgent flight possibly relating to the investigation that is still ongoing of Natalee Holloway.

As it is known recently park rangers called alarm when they discovered among other things a piece of Duct tape that has hair resembling the hair of the American girl that is going to be missing for two months. In this case the only suspect detained is the young man Joran van der Sloot. For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, which is situated in Rijswijk, The Hague, it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

 

and as I stated years ago..... I believe she substituted her own hair for the real hair sample, hence...tests showed hair was not Natalees.

[johan555]

Caps do you think that there is a loge on Aruba ?  or a Grootloge ?

vrijmetselarij loge ?

de groote ooste splits in 2 in aruba , the sol naciente and the king salomon.

both are in aruba. but the key question is who control them and who give them orders...

the grandmaster is in Holland?  Google for drs. J.D. van Rossum?

[
/quote]

johan look for his profession and think maybe "den dolder

yes yes they (the intitute )are on the Biltstraat in Utrecht not far from the " Detox " (that is a rehab  Detox Altrecht )
Utrecht is in the centre of Holland and not far fron Den Dolder

[Lala'sMom]

Why was not Paul arrested?
Is mos Not  interested ?
The dutch/usa  media didn't pick up the news yet , i don't know why 

Everyone in the USA is too consumed with other things...such as the election...hurricanes and the economy.  Natalee will take a backseat until something big breaks such as Paulus in handcuffs.  The media has been given this latest information but they probably won't jump on it just yet...there is supposed to be more to come. 

[Lala'sMom]

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Competent authorities decided that Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Janssen must travel to The Netherlands. According to sources it deals with an urgent flight possibly relating to the investigation that is still ongoing of Natalee Holloway.

As it is known recently park rangers called alarm when they discovered among other things a piece of Duct tape that has hair resembling the hair of the American girl that is going to be missing for two months. In this case the only suspect detained is the young man Joran van der Sloot. For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, which is situated in Rijswijk, The Hague, it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

 

This just begs of a Shango/Simian verse....My question would be just exactly what did Karen Janssen give them?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
All evidence collected was sent to the The Hague.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:54 pm
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

[Lala'sMom]

For me this 'new' witness isn't a 'reliable' one until we find out the exact date, when he came forward in 2007. His 'motive' to become a witness in this case  after two years is crap.
I placed him in the greyzone cause of Paulus role.

Some important questions ?

 Could Paulus if he was in the HI Excelsior casino that Sundayevening, also later on have been in the Wyndhamhotel casino the night Natalee vanished after he brought Joran back home to babysit ?
On Tuesdayafternoon Paulus was in the lobby of the HI. Beth saw him there.
Was he only checking Joran's lying alibi [ dead video] or also his own [footage] alibi ?
Could there be another until now 'anonymous' casino player in the Excelsior or the Wyndham or the Radisson casino, who is also working for the Justice department on Aruba ?
Dirty Hand perhaps ? Or Ben Vocking, Paulus friend, who had also a steering role on crucial moments [[ search VDSresidence]  ? Or judge de Wit ? Or .... ?

You are absolutely correct.  All the details have to be worked out in order to have a foolproof case and at this point I don't see it...given what I know and how things seem to work in Aruba...only Holland can pull the plug on this insanity.  Let's hope they will do it this time...we have seen many witnesses that were credible and still where are they now?  Each question you asked has various answers depending on what you know and how you answer them.

[Lala'sMom]

Johann
Is Joran still in detox? 

[johan555]

Johann
Is Joran still in detox? 

there is one organisation in that area the "Altrecht" 
the detox is for heavy drug users like Joran
but they can stay there for 6 weeks
so i think he is in a kind of long stay unit in Den Dolder

[johan555]

Johann
Is Joran still in detox? 

there is one organisation in that area the "Altrecht" 
the detox is for heavy drug users like Joran
but they can stay there for 6 weeks
so i think he is in a kind of long stay unit in Den Dolder

i will have a look there next week