Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[CapsLockWizard]

I found a secret document about  the law  in aruba and they changed  the law about anonymous witnesses
And who did that? Bob Wit

YES

I have all the laws on CD roms and Materials but the LAW of Land Aruba and Holland are almost the same.

if a law-A is right for Holland then after the Status Apart, land Aruba desided that they can use law-A when it is in their favor and not use it on other cases.

and so the law is twisted and applied using the term Aruba law or Koningrijks wet or Dutch law

[johan555]

Caps when you want to make a "rape " movie you need not a very small room
you need place for the equipment
Do you know were Mr Pink lives ?
Has he a kind of a studio ?
I saw a bit of his work and i think he is filming on different locations .
Do you think he rentted the matt app or the other in Noord ?

[johan555]

I found a secret document about  the law  in aruba and they changed  the law about anonymous witnesses
And who did that? Bob Wit

YES

I have all the laws on CD roms and Materials but the LAW of Land Aruba and Holland are almost the same.

if a law-A is right for Holland then after the Status Apart, land Aruba desided that they can use law-A when it is in their favor and not use it on other cases.

and so the law is twisted and applied using the term Aruba law or Koningrijks wet or Dutch law

Isn't it strange that they changed that law a "bit" in december 2005 ?

[johan555]

I found a secret document about  the law  in aruba and they changed  the law about anonymous witnesses
And who did that? Bob Wit

YES

I have all the laws on CD roms and Materials but the LAW of Land Aruba and Holland are almost the same.

if a law-A is right for Holland then after the Status Apart, land Aruba desided that they can use law-A when it is in their favor and not use it on other cases.

and so the law is twisted and applied using the term Aruba law or Koningrijks wet or Dutch law

Isn't it strange that they changed that law a "bit" in december 2005 ?

i try to find that "passage" (law part ) and will post that

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps when you want to make a "rape " movie you need not a very small room
you need place for the equipment
Do you know were Mr Pink lives ?
Has he a kind of a studio ?
I saw a bit of his work and i think he is filming on different locations .
Do you think he rentted the matt app or the other in Noord ?

On the night in question, the equipment was there and setup. Now is joran wanted to use any of the mention places to make a movie, there are 3 but some other question invalided 2 of the places and leave only one place.

and that has to do with the Kalpoes access to the apartment.

his place could have been use but I will not tried to use my own place for that practice and then you do not need to call the kalpoes in for questioning.

they could have just say they drop him at home. and that leave Joran with natalee ay home with the camera man and others that are part of the gang.

but doing it away from your house where your friend has a set of sleezey apartment is more convienent and since it is run by my friend father, I can do almost anything.

[johan555]

how is the condition of some ponds in aruba, if there is water in?
the soil is soggy? muddy?
bag your way with your feet or you can just walk through?
how deep is it?

dutch :
hoe is de conditie van zo'n pond in aruba als er water in staat ?
is de bodem drassig ? modderig ?
zak je weg met je voeten of kan je er gewoon doorheen lopen ?
hoe  diep is het ?

[CapsLockWizard]

Joran is only friends with the Kalpoes becuase of the Apartment facility.

they are not real friend.

[CapsLockWizard]

how is the condition of some ponds in aruba, if there is water in?
the soil is soggy? muddy?
bag your way with your feet or you can just walk through?
how deep is it?

dutch :
hoe is de conditie van zo'n pond in aruba als er water in staat ?
is de bodem drassig ? modderig ?
zak je weg met je voeten of kan je er gewoon doorheen lopen ?
hoe  diep is het ?

Johan is zie dat je heel veel het gebruik maak van google earth maar de plaatsen documentatie heb je niet

Je moet klaas vraagen voor het updaded .kms files me schien zij kan je helpen

[MumInOhio]

What they hve show tonight on A&E is just a recap...It is nice but do not answer anything. Why don't they concentrate on simple question

From all the movies and Articles that I have read, nobody has suggested or even mentions these possible scenarios or places.  But before we go in details, let’s look at what the normal practice is if someone wants to pick up a girl for quickie sex in Aruba.

Note: The Carlos & Charlie night club is called “The Meat Market Place”. It got the name due the amount of hot teens that are willing to have sex after drinking. Most of the victims are Tourist and the motive of operand us is “To get them Drunk and then lure them to an Apartment.
 
The Normal Practice Today:
Normally, if one wants to have sex in Aruba with someone you have pick up at a bar or at a night club, one is left with only some few choices.

The choices are:.
1.   Car
2.   a Hotel
3.   Your own place
4.   Moko 30 Sex Apartment
5.   The WHITEHOUSE which is beside Moko 30,
6.   Matty Apartments

Option-1: high risk and in public are, if cought doing it in public you are in trouble with ALE.
Option-2: Hgh risk and most guests are not alone..they have room mates.
option-3: your own place.  This is possible if you have your own car to bring her back. 
option-4: you pay 50 florin and you will have to park your car outside the apartment and do your thing. but it is not descreet, other will see you car parked there and will talk.
option-5: the ideal place to do it - Nice facility and complete private..but has rules
option-6: The cheap place to do it and sleezy..use most by Escort services and everything goes. No rules.

But when it comes to have discrete and private Sex in Aruba, most people uses the first 5 options. 

Joran said that they went to the Light house and can prove that it is a lie.

The issue about going to the LIGHTHOUSE is the old practice. The Light House or Farro as its name in Papiamento was in the fifties till mid nineties way.  But then the law has changed and everybody knows that if you get trapped by the authorities having sex in a public area you are in deep trouble. So nobody use this practice anymore.

The new practice is to use apartments for a quickie.
Let’s examine where they could have gone after C&C

Option-1: Car = No
Option-2: Hotel = No
Option-3: Joran Apartment = plausable
Option-4: Moko Sex Apartment = plausable
Option-5: The Whitehouse Apartment (beside Moko 30) = Plausable
Option-6: Matty Apartment = Plausable

Now let’s expand these locations with three condition question.
The conditions are TO HAVE SEX and TO MAKE A MOVIE and EASY ACCESSIBLITY

1.   The “to have sex conditions” is that you just left the meat market and is going to score.

2.   The “to Make a Movie condition” is that you want to show that you score with her and that you will win the bed

3.   The “Easy accessibility condition” is that you have to have easy access to the facility to make a movie without the permission of the owner.


if these ALE uses there head they can construct there own logic to solve this case.. They rely to much on wire tap and gossips.  Stupid ALE.

This is a sample of what to come.

Logic: where did they go after they left C&C
Logic: where did they hide the body after she died
logic:  when did they removed her and by who

etc.

the proefs are strings together to get to the right answer.

zij is de uitbater van de Matt Appt (lillian) en dat is haar man of broer Carlos

Johan...thanks for posting this...IIRC from yesterday's post her name is spelt Lilian...and her brother looks eerily familiar...

[CapsLockWizard]

how is the condition of some ponds in aruba, if there is water in?
the soil is soggy? muddy?
bag your way with your feet or you can just walk through?
how deep is it?

dutch :
hoe is de conditie van zo'n pond in aruba als er water in staat ?
is de bodem drassig ? modderig ?
zak je weg met je voeten of kan je er gewoon doorheen lopen ?
hoe  diep is het ?

at the edge of the pond it is soggy and Muddy,
your feet will start sinking at the moment you start getting in

the mud will stick around your shoes and by this acction will create a sucction oround the sneaker that if it is not secured well, at the momeny you want to move one feet, the shoe stay behind in the mud and you can not find it anymore becuase the water is murky and it is at night.

in day time you will not see it either because the murky black water.

the shoes can only be retrieved when the pond has dried and that is what they did.

[MumInOhio]

Caps and Johan...Please play fair...do you know how long it will take me this morning to run all those posts that are in Dutch through the translator???

 

[johan555]

Caps when you want to make a "rape " movie you need not a very small room
you need place for the equipment
Do you know were Mr Pink lives ?
Has he a kind of a studio ?
I saw a bit of his work and i think he is filming on different locations .
Do you think he rentted the matt app or the other in Noord ?

On the night in question, the equipment was there and setup. Now is joran wanted to use any of the mention places to make a movie, there are 3 but some other question invalided 2 of the places and leave only one place.

and that has to do with the Kalpoes access to the apartment.

his place could have been use but I will not tried to use my own place for that practice and then you do not need to call the kalpoes in for questioning.

they could have just say they drop him at home. and that leave Joran with natalee ay home with the camera man and others that are part of the gang.

but doing it away from your house where your friend has a set of sleezey apartment is more convienent and since it is run by my friend father, I can do almost anything.

so this is the order
there is previewed equipment put in an apartment
the "victim" NH is known in advance
They go somewhere for a drink
give rape drugs
to the apartment
Create a rape movie with several men
in this case heavy  resistance (adrenaline ) N
a fight
and she came to death by anything
Then they took her to the pond and after some time
in within 9 days to another place?
this is the scenario you think?

dutch

dus dit is de volgorde
er wordt van te voren apparatuur in een appartament gezet
het "slachtoffer" NH is van te voren bekend
Ze gaan ergens wat drinken
geven rape drugs
naar het appartement
maken een rape film  met meerdere mannen
in dit geval bood N hevige weerstand
een gevecht
en ze kwam te overlijden door wat dan ook

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps…did you see my question as to you being in Aruba in October of 2006? Have something I am looking at for this time period, maybe you can help?

And do you still think Mathew is Shango?…Freemason’s connection???? 

TIA

No, Shango is an S.H.A.Nederlanse.Groote.Oost

Still looking for the other 3

[johan555]

Caps and Johan...Please play fair...do you know how long it will take me this morning to run all those posts that are in Dutch through the translator???

 

i post it in eng and dutch because i don't know the exact translation 

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps and Johan...Please play fair...do you know how long it will take me this morning to run all those posts that are in Dutch through the translator???

 

I just old him that he uses a lot of Google earth and it is best that he can ask klaasend for un update location place markers.

[MumInOhio]

Caps…did you see my question as to you being in Aruba in October of 2006? Have something I am looking at for this time period, maybe you can help?

And do you still think Mathew is Shango?…Freemason’s connection???? 

TIA

No, Shango is an S.H.A.Nederlanse.Groote.Oost

Still looking for the other 3

Thanks for the English

Not sure what the bolded part means...Sorry??

Caps...Just wondering how Shango would have posted from Florida?

[johan555]

Caps…did you see my question as to you being in Aruba in October of 2006? Have something I am looking at for this time period, maybe you can help?

And do you still think Mathew is Shango?…Freemason’s connection???? 

TIA

No, Shango is an S.H.A.Nederlanse.Groote.Oost

Still looking for the other 3

Thanks for the English

Not sure what the bolded part means...Sorry??

Caps...Just wondering how Shango would have posted from Florida?

you can send post to a friend and this person can post it from there
or via a network or private server

[MumInOhio]

Caps…did you see my question as to you being in Aruba in October of 2006? Have something I am looking at for this time period, maybe you can help?

And do you still think Mathew is Shango?…Freemason’s connection???? 

TIA

No, Shango is an S.H.A.Nederlanse.Groote.Oost

Still looking for the other 3

Thanks for the English

Not sure what the bolded part means...Sorry??

Caps...Just wondering how Shango would have posted from Florida?

you can send post to a friend and this person can post it from there
or via a network or private server

Johan...that is what I think happened...I just don't think Shango was a true "Dutch Man"...

Almost finished finding the Martina stuff Johan...

[MumInOhio]

Johan......What year did you come up with for Paulus moving to Aruba...1988, 1089 or 1990...I am almost positive it was not 1991. Still checking to see if Val was really born in the Netherlands....Shango...Babylonian offspring?

[MumInOhio]

Johan......What year did you come up with for Paulus moving to Aruba...1988, 1989 or 1990...I am almost positive it was not 1991. Still checking to see if Val was really born in the Netherlands....Shango...Babylonian offspring?

LOL...edit...1989...Need more coffee and some lights on...