Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[bastibro]

gm Monkeys.
I too am really glad to have any coverage on television to try to keep this case alive. But the impression I came away with after watching last night is "Puff Piece". This is what the show said was the first time Richardson has spoken about the case. (you monkeys would know if that is correct). But I just felt like they tried to make Richardson and Mos look good, with some Cohen spin in there as well. It angered me. I sat there at end feeling more sad, frustrated, angry, and felt like the show did more to try to make these monsters look like competent caring humans, when we all know....grrrrr....its just so frustrating.

side note: does anyone know if when CLW said "watch the 8th" did he mean watch the 8ball, or did he mean be alert on the 8th of October?

Right Roxi, that was my impression to, i felt the same. Mos and Cohen looked much to credible. IMHO Richardson is a puppet.

[iris44]

Paulus is also a smart guy by sending the key witness [involved in two alibi's] in this unsolved case away at a crucial moment.

Paulus also was very smart if he did not let Joran go back to the Sloot home immediately after hiding Natalee's body.  It makes sense that they may have gone to Lorenzo's to clean up to avoid any of Natalee's DNA contaminating the Sloot residence.  They probably cleaned the Jeep there, too. It always stuck in my mind that Paulus and Joran were see in the location of Lorenzo's home the very early morning after the disappearance.  They must have gone straight from McDonald's to Lorenzo's and Joran straight to school.

Did the MB kids say what Paulus was doing at McDonalds that morning?  Did he just cruise past, or was he actually go inside or go through the drivethrought?
 

[iris44]

Joran is only friends with the Kalpoes becuase of the Apartment facility.

they are not real friend.

Sorry, I am new at this, I am trying to reply with previous posts included, maybe I will be successful this time.

The Joran and Kalpoes friendship always seemed odd.  I always thought Joran was using them for something so the access to the apartments makes perfect sense. I thought he was just using them for transportation; but if the Kalpoes are tied to the apartments, then they are involved and had no choice but to go along with Paulus, even if they did not participate in any actual assault.

[johan555]

I found this

I am uttterly and sadly sickened in your niativity in your support for US tourism in Aruba. Please do your research (totaly thourough ) before you affirm our complete trust in another countries trust. My brother and sister-in-law were tragically proven “missing” in Aruba while suppossed touring the island on a rented boat. To this day their whereabouts have been overlooked by few and missed by many. Unfortunatly our family did not get the media and attention that Natalie so well deserved! Had it been, maybe that young women would still be laughing and smiling that exuberant smile as we speak. Much more should have been said about two beautiful young individuals who just went on a vacation “to get pregnant” after many months of doctor’s treatment. I, as his sister, and a firm believer of thier belief in one another would not have even breathed any of the sick notions that were talked about in thier disapperance. I could go on forever to speak about my pure despite and sheer anger at what can happen behind closed doors. There is so much more to stories than meets the everyday persons life. I wish every individual knew. All my blessings, all my faith in the above, but mostly my sincere sympthathy for the Holloway family, as it has been more than 20 years since we have tried to bury this tradgedy. I would be a liar if I said it got eaisier as time goes by, for every day without someone you hold so deeply, is the worst day of your life! So you as the writer of that comment, a narrow minded, uninformed individual believe in this so callled progess, I as another survivor of a undescribable tradgey will continue to call this a hidden recognision of fallen angels. Continue in your beliefs as I one of those who have fallen, will adamentaly opose. Please do your homework, unless you are one of the many that have something to gain by your sheer ignorance. Whether it be monetarily or not, may your consciounse prevail. From someone who atually knows the feeling.

May 19, 2007

[Jonathan45]

@Johan555

Thank you.

Your image however doesn't show the large fenced area around the corner of the street on the downside of your image. On Google Earth you can see that area which I meant at about 100 meters from the VDShome.
It looks like a sandy rectangle area. It is private property. Very clever if Joran used such a [private] spot behind the fence to hide Natalee's body. It was part of his playground as it was for Valentijn and Sebastian. His Cunucu as he called it in his book.
Within 800 meters you have also two ponds. One to South East and one to the South West. This one contains many garbage. Also his Cunucu. [the smashed car windows incident with Valentijn and police intervention- see his book]
Can you make the rectangle visible for the posters so they can see what I meant ?
And is there on SM someone who knows what kind of business is taking place there ? Cranes on that spot ?

[johan555]

this is the website : http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/2007/02/05/aruba-tourism-the-holloway-effect.htm

I found this

I am uttterly and sadly sickened in your niativity in your support for US tourism in Aruba. Please do your research (totaly thourough ) before you affirm our complete trust in another countries trust. My brother and sister-in-law were tragically proven “missing” in Aruba while suppossed touring the island on a rented boat. To this day their whereabouts have been overlooked by few and missed by many. Unfortunatly our family did not get the media and attention that Natalie so well deserved! Had it been, maybe that young women would still be laughing and smiling that exuberant smile as we speak. Much more should have been said about two beautiful young individuals who just went on a vacation “to get pregnant” after many months of doctor’s treatment. I, as his sister, and a firm believer of thier belief in one another would not have even breathed any of the sick notions that were talked about in thier disapperance. I could go on forever to speak about my pure despite and sheer anger at what can happen behind closed doors. There is so much more to stories than meets the everyday persons life. I wish every individual knew. All my blessings, all my faith in the above, but mostly my sincere sympthathy for the Holloway family, as it has been more than 20 years since we have tried to bury this tradgedy. I would be a liar if I said it got eaisier as time goes by, for every day without someone you hold so deeply, is the worst day of your life! So you as the writer of that comment, a narrow minded, uninformed individual believe in this so callled progess, I as another survivor of a undescribable tradgey will continue to call this a hidden recognision of fallen angels. Continue in your beliefs as I one of those who have fallen, will adamentaly opose. Please do your homework, unless you are one of the many that have something to gain by your sheer ignorance. Whether it be monetarily or not, may your consciounse prevail. From someone who atually knows the feeling.

May 19, 2007

[johan555]

@Johan555

Thank you.

Your image however doesn't show the large fenced area around the corner of the street on the downside of your image. On Google Earth you can see that area which I meant at about 100 meters from the VDShome.
It looks like a sandy rectangle area. It is private property. Very clever if Joran used such a [private] spot behind the fence to hide Natalee's body. It was part of his playground as it was for Valentijn and Sebastian. His Cunucu as he called it in his book.
Within 800 meters you have also two ponds. One to South East and one to the South West. This one contains many garbage. Also his Cunucu. [the smashed car windows incident with Valentijn and police intervention- see his book]
Can you make the rectangle visible for the posters so they can see what I meant ?
And is there on SM someone who knows what kind of business is taking place there ? Cranes on that spot ?

i make a new one Jonathan
you can download it and mark the area were you talking about ?

[wreck]

this is the website : http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/2007/02/05/aruba-tourism-the-holloway-effect.htm

I found this

I am uttterly and sadly sickened in your niativity in your support for US tourism in Aruba. Please do your research (totaly thourough ) before you affirm our complete trust in another countries trust. My brother and sister-in-law were tragically proven “missing” in Aruba while suppossed touring the island on a rented boat. To this day their whereabouts have been overlooked by few and missed by many. Unfortunatly our family did not get the media and attention that Natalie so well deserved! Had it been, maybe that young women would still be laughing and smiling that exuberant smile as we speak. Much more should have been said about two beautiful young individuals who just went on a vacation “to get pregnant” after many months of doctor’s treatment. I, as his sister, and a firm believer of thier belief in one another would not have even breathed any of the sick notions that were talked about in thier disapperance. I could go on forever to speak about my pure despite and sheer anger at what can happen behind closed doors. There is so much more to stories than meets the everyday persons life. I wish every individual knew. All my blessings, all my faith in the above, but mostly my sincere sympthathy for the Holloway family, as it has been more than 20 years since we have tried to bury this tradgedy. I would be a liar if I said it got eaisier as time goes by, for every day without someone you hold so deeply, is the worst day of your life! So you as the writer of that comment, a narrow minded, uninformed individual believe in this so callled progess, I as another survivor of a undescribable tradgey will continue to call this a hidden recognision of fallen angels. Continue in your beliefs as I one of those who have fallen, will adamentaly opose. Please do your homework, unless you are one of the many that have something to gain by your sheer ignorance. Whether it be monetarily or not, may your consciounse prevail. From someone who atually knows the feeling.

May 19, 2007

Thanks, I don't recall hearing of this missing couple before!

[LoRain]

Sad....

[bastibro]

WTF?  Didn't know what they were dealing with but they could arrest the security guards on MURDER charges?
Sorry, that is a bunch of BS.

And despite ALE knew J2K lied about bringing Natalee back to HI(they were with Beth when she saw the surveillance video), they didn`t hesitate to arrest the 2 former security guards.
This makes no sense at all . .

[johan555]

Jonathan  here is a area shot
it is large (11 mb ) so use the scrolbar  

[klaasend]

This an area behind the VDS house. 

[johan555]

do you mean this area Jonathan ?

[johan555]

[johan555]

here another view and i see a pond there yes

[johan555]

Observer on FOK

This is a very rough translation of a Diario Article a few months ago. From what I have heard this is a real witness and in my opinion it falls perfectly in line with the other possible witnesses.

We know Art Wood interviewed a backhoe operater who he thought was credible and it led to the search of the VDS home last year. From what I understood he did work for PVDS around the pool right after Natalee went missing. He was very nervous when interviewed but said he did not pour the concrete..

"I interviewed an Aruban Backhoe operator who said that he dug the new patio area where PVS poured concrete around the time that Natalee disappeared"..Art Wood

This witness Maria claims a relative of hers(Handyman for PVDS) helped PVDS pour concrete after NH dissapeared and since then has never been seen again. They also mention a stationwagon and she claims NH was buried on land and not the sea. Was the stationwagon yellow like what the landill witness described? I think its important to look at all the info in this case especially those that details match up. Many of these people are scared to come forward and I do not blame them. The puzzle is becoming quite clear for me..

Snip from Diario Article
colombiano owing to help cu cement

in the carta here, the person is write at dutch cu the night of 30 half 2005 for 3’or of madruga, the wason beach after of owing to happen in quarrel with his friend, hour cu past owing to hear cry of one girl.the is write cu past owing to see joran much good is
gritando name of the child, but the blonde girl not was responding anymore. beach had none another person more.according the such maria here, tanto the father and Joran owing to cuminza quarrel the instant ey.

The not owing to see they calling telephone, but some rato after one another man owing to arrive cu one stationwagon, and after they owing to take away the child muher for car of the father, and joran owing to march bay sea for wash his shoe debi cu they was at blood. they owing to place the curpa part behind car, and the another man owing to follow they slow. so they owing to bandona the lugar. according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of house of joran. the is relata one storia of his friend

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

Joran is only friends with the Kalpoes becuase of the Apartment facility.

they are not real friend.

Sorry, I am new at this, I am trying to reply with previous posts included, maybe I will be successful this time.

The Joran and Kalpoes friendship always seemed odd.  I always thought Joran was using them for something so the access to the apartments makes perfect sense. I thought he was just using them for transportation; but if the Kalpoes are tied to the apartments, then they are involved and had no choice but to go along with Paulus, even if they did not participate in any actual assault.

porn buddies

[Kermit]

WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY KNOW?

[Kermit]

THEY DESERVE THEIR DAUGHTER BACK