Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[Nut44x4]

They all know what we have known all along.

[bastibro]

KILL EM ALL

[SS]

Dr. Hodges has a website about his Thoughtprints theory.  I don't have the link right now, but I can get it later.  He has an entire section on Aruba.  There are photographs of the fishermen's huts, descriptions, and interviews with the fisherman.

[Nut44x4]

ss, actually Magnolia (words) and Blonde (photo) gave the answer I tried to convey on page 45.

[Magnolia]

Dr. Hodges has a website about his Thoughtprints theory.  I don't have the link right now, but I can get it later.  He has an entire section on Aruba.  There are photographs of the fishermen's huts, descriptions, and interviews with the fisherman.

I think it is:

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/natalee-holloway

[Magnolia]

Dr. Hodges has a website about his Thoughtprints theory.  I don't have the link right now, but I can get it later.  He has an entire section on Aruba.  There are photographs of the fishermen's huts, descriptions, and interviews with the fisherman.

I think it is:

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/natalee-holloway

then again, maybe it's not!   

[SS]

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/


Thanks Magnolia! 

The book Into the Deep by Dr. Andrew G. Hodges just scrambled my brain.  I lost him about 75% of the way through it.  On his website click "read more" on the upper left under Aruba Journal.  There's a lot of information about the fishermen's huts.

[SS]

I was looking at the pictures that bastibro posted.  Freddy is such a dork!

[SS]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.msg393424#msg393424

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #4 « Reply #421 on: June 25, 2008, 07:44:52 PM  SS»   
 
Thanks VMS!  Karen Martina is now on MySpace as Paulina in Curacao.  Curacao would make sense.  I found all of those obituaries last week from Curacao that named Wilfred Martina who is the man that we learned was the father of Freddy Martina.  There were a few of the regular Arubans, but many of the faces were new.  Valentijn is one of her friends.

http://www.myspace.com/karenmartina


After more research, I don't think that Wilfred Martina is Freddy's father, although he could be Karen's father.  He could be a first cousin of Freddy's father, if is there is no Zedan in his name.  I think Freddy's paternal grandmother was probably a Martina.  Have I absolutely confused everyone??? It's a little clearer if you look at the genealogy charts in the Arambatzis thread.

[Poochy]

I found this

I am uttterly and sadly sickened in your niativity in your support for US tourism in Aruba. Please do your research (totaly thourough ) before you affirm our complete trust in another countries trust. My brother and sister-in-law were tragically proven “missing” in Aruba while suppossed touring the island on a rented boat. To this day their whereabouts have been overlooked by few and missed by many. Unfortunatly our family did not get the media and attention that Natalie so well deserved! Had it been, maybe that young women would still be laughing and smiling that exuberant smile as we speak. Much more should have been said about two beautiful young individuals who just went on a vacation “to get pregnant” after many months of doctor’s treatment. I, as his sister, and a firm believer of thier belief in one another would not have even breathed any of the sick notions that were talked about in thier disapperance. I could go on forever to speak about my pure despite and sheer anger at what can happen behind closed doors. There is so much more to stories than meets the everyday persons life. I wish every individual knew. All my blessings, all my faith in the above, but mostly my sincere sympthathy for the Holloway family, as it has been more than 20 years since we have tried to bury this tradgedy. I would be a liar if I said it got eaisier as time goes by, for every day without someone you hold so deeply, is the worst day of your life! So you as the writer of that comment, a narrow minded, uninformed individual believe in this so callled progess, I as another survivor of a undescribable tradgey will continue to call this a hidden recognision of fallen angels. Continue in your beliefs as I one of those who have fallen, will adamentaly opose. Please do your homework, unless you are one of the many that have something to gain by your sheer ignorance. Whether it be monetarily or not, may your consciounse prevail. From someone who atually knows the feeling.

May 19, 2007

http://tinyurl.com/4msum7

And how many more we don't know about.... this one made it out alive...


A Tourist in 1996:

My heart aches for Natalee and her family. I've known from the minute Natalee was announced missing on the tv, exactly what happened to her. I have been in touch with the FBI, and they have my statement. I have been to Aruba 3 times, and the last time was HORRIBLE.

In 1996, I went with my husband and 4 friends. We stayed at the same hotel Natalee stayed at. My husband and I were both drugged, taken from the hotel casino. My husband was locked in a back room of the bar The Rio Grande, I was taken out to the desert, and didnt come out of the black out until the next morning. I had been raped and beaten. I was fortunate enough to talk my way out of the situation, promising I wouldnt go to the police. When I got back to my hotel, my husband and a friend did go to the police station..........it is just like you've seen on the tv for the Holloway-Twitty family. They did NOTHING to help us at all. Even with the police knowing, that the casino-workers and the Commishioner of the casino had a problem with the "man", and were also willing to help my husband and I.

We switched hotels that day, and stayed in most of the time we were there. The night before we were to leave all 6 of us decided to go to the beach. That "man" showed up. My husband and cousin got a hold of him, we asked a hotel worker to call the police (they took almost an hour to get there). We told them what had happened and they simply put him in the back of the police jeep uncuffed, and drove away with him. I guess we were all in shock, my husband and I just glad to be leaving both alive.

They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a wh*re-House, no big deal??

I have tried to get in touch with the Beth Holloway, I think I could maybe help her or at least tell her that Natalee didnt feel any pain, as I said I was drugged and I dont remember anything until the next day. A lot of parents are now coming on tv again with the same situations of missing children from all islands, but none have gotten any justice or even an answer. It seems I am the only one to have survived. I pray for Natalee and her family every morning and every night, and badly wish there was a way to comfort her mom, who has been, and has had to be, a very strong woman. My husband had to only endure a couple hours of not knowing if I was alive or what happened. He said he cant imagine how they feel. So our hearts and prayers are with them daily. I hope this all ends soon for them, no mother should have to be put through this.
I havent been able to talk about what happened to me for 9 years, but I would do ANYTHING to help Natalee and her family

[Nut44x4]

Klaas.....this is going really slow and I probably won't be here for lock up time. Just letting Mods know.

[Nut44x4]

Doubtful I will be here 4 thread lock unless it is tomorrow

[klaasend]

Klaas.....this is going really slow and I probably won't be here for lock up time. Just letting Mods know.

Will probably be another couple days before page 50 unless there's action like an article in Diario 

[coolhand]

Klaas.....this is going really slow and I probably won't be here for lock up time. Just letting Mods know.

Will probably be another couple days before page 50 unless there's action like an article in Diario 

Have you guys heard from Tim since he left aruba?

[Lala'sMom]

Observer on FOK

This is a very rough translation of a Diario Article a few months ago. From what I have heard this is a real witness and in my opinion it falls perfectly in line with the other possible witnesses.

We know Art Wood interviewed a backhoe operater who he thought was credible and it led to the search of the VDS home last year. From what I understood he did work for PVDS around the pool right after Natalee went missing. He was very nervous when interviewed but said he did not pour the concrete..

"I interviewed an Aruban Backhoe operator who said that he dug the new patio area where PVS poured concrete around the time that Natalee disappeared"..Art Wood

This witness Maria claims a relative of hers(Handyman for PVDS) helped PVDS pour concrete after NH dissapeared and since then has never been seen again. They also mention a stationwagon and she claims NH was buried on land and not the sea. Was the stationwagon yellow like what the landill witness described? I think its important to look at all the info in this case especially those that details match up. Many of these people are scared to come forward and I do not blame them. The puzzle is becoming quite clear for me..

Snip from Diario Article
colombiano owing to help cu cement

in the carta here, the person is write at dutch cu the night of 30 half 2005 for 3’or of madruga, the wason beach after of owing to happen in quarrel with his friend, hour cu past owing to hear cry of one girl.the is write cu past owing to see joran much good is
gritando name of the child, but the blonde girl not was responding anymore. beach had none another person more.according the such maria here, tanto the father and Joran owing to cuminza quarrel the instant ey.

The not owing to see they calling telephone, but some rato after one another man owing to arrive cu one stationwagon, and after they owing to take away the child muher for car of the father, and joran owing to march bay sea for wash his shoe debi cu they was at blood. they owing to place the curpa part behind car, and the another man owing to follow they slow. so they owing to bandona the lugar. according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of house of joran. the is relata one storia of his friend

A source of mine says this part of the story is true. 

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas.....this is going really slow and I probably won't be here for lock up time. Just letting Mods know.

Will probably be another couple days before page 50 unless there's action like an article in Diario 

Have you guys heard from Tim since he left aruba?

Tim was a victim of hurricane Ike.  He lost the roof on some of his barns and hay for his horses.  I think he had flood damage to his home also.  An update is in the monkey lounge Hurricane Ike thread.

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas.....this is going really slow and I probably won't be here for lock up time. Just letting Mods know.

Will probably be another couple days before page 50 unless there's action like an article in Diario 

Unless I tango a little...and then all bets are off. 

[always 1]

Klaas.....this is going really slow and I probably won't be here for lock up time. Just letting Mods know.

Will probably be another couple days before page 50 unless there's action like an article in Diario 

Unless I tango a little...and then all bets are off. 

What does tango mean?  How do I know if I have ever been written up in your book???

[always 1]

Lala's did you go away????

[wreck]

Klaas.....this is going really slow and I probably won't be here for lock up time. Just letting Mods know.

Will probably be another couple days before page 50 unless there's action like an article in Diario 

Unless I tango a little...and then all bets are off. 

What does tango mean?  How do I know if I have ever been written up in your book???

Tango = Dance     -- Lala's does the "Shango Tango"